You guys are way more optimistic than me. I think Skjei is worth poop
- mdw7413

he will end up with 10+ goals and 35 points this year

we just see him every day and see all the mistakes

TOR needs good, cheap defenseman. Maybe Hajek and Georgie for Kapanen and Robertson. Maybe they’d want Fast for a playoff run if we retained some money?

TOR needs good, cheap defenseman. Maybe Hajek and Georgie for Kapanen and Robertson. Maybe they’d want Fast for a playoff run if we retained some money?
- nyrangers9479

Can we fit that under the cap? If we can that could cause us not to be able to afford ADA.

TOR needs good, cheap defenseman. Maybe Hajek and Georgie for Kapanen and Robertson. Maybe they’d want Fast for a playoff run if we retained some money?
- nyrangers9479

Yeah, I don't want (or see) them moving Fast. I am aware of your position regarding him, but I think we would instantly regret not having him.
My proposal on the Leaf board (and I admit I am not good at this) was Skjei (30-50% retained), Georgie and a D prospect for Kapanen, Bracco and a pick.
I would love it, but I don't think they are moving Robertson for anything less than a one-sided deal.

Yeah, I don't want (or see) them moving Fast. I am aware of your position regarding him, but I think we would instantly regret not having him.
My proposal on the Leaf board (and I admit I am not good at this) was Skjei (30-50% retained), Georgie and a D prospect for Kapanen, Bracco and a pick.
I would love it, but I don't think they are moving Robertson for anything less than a one-sided deal.
- Tonybere

I don’t get how anyone normal could dislike Fast. He does everything necessary for a forward to do and he’s been putting up pts more consistently now. 9479 isn’t normal tho haha

I don’t get how anyone normal could dislike Fast. He does everything necessary for a forward to do and he’s been putting up pts more consistently now. 9479 isn’t normal tho haha
- Slimtj100

I don't think people dislike Fast. They just don't see a reason to spend $3M+ on a perceived fourth liner. But he's not just a fourth liner, at least in my mind...

I don’t get how anyone normal could dislike Fast. He does everything necessary for a forward to do and he’s been putting up pts more consistently now. 9479 isn’t normal tho haha
- Slimtj100

I like Fast on the 4th line. He’s miscast in the top 6 and is going to want 3+ on his next deal. No thanks

I don't think people dislike Fast. They just don't see a reason to spend $3M+ on a perceived fourth liner. But he's not just a fourth liner, at least in my mind...
- Bean_Dip

Nah he’s been ripping Fast on a weekly basis for years now

I don’t think he’d get that much, 2.25 would be a raise. He’s worth that imo. He’s a terrific role model for the plethora of kids we have and will be having

Nah he’s been ripping Fast on a weekly basis for years now

I don’t think he’d get that much, 2.25 would be a raise. He’s worth that imo. He’s a terrific role model for the plethora of kids we have and will be having
- Slimtj100

We were just having this debate a few weeks ago. If you're watching the games, you know the relevancy of Fast paired with Panarin. You might not like it because he's not putting up points, but a good portion of Panarin's points come soon after a good forecheck or backcheck by Fast.

At 2.25, Fast is a steal.

We were just having this debate a few weeks ago. If you're watching the games, you know the relevancy of Fast paired with Panarin. You might not like it because he's not putting up points, but a good portion of Panarin's points come soon after a good forecheck or backcheck by Fast.

At 2.25, Fast is a steal.
- Bean_Dip

I betcha Fast could get 4 years 13 million on July 1st from someone

Nah he’s been ripping Fast on a weekly basis for years now

I don’t think he’d get that much, 2.25 would be a raise. He’s worth that imo. He’s a terrific role model for the plethora of kids we have and will be having
- Slimtj100

I think 2.5.

Fans have no idea what he does cause all they want to see is points. Like somehow we could put together 4 lines of players at ppg

I betcha Fast could get 4 years 13 million on July 1st from someone
- jimbro83

No doubt. Hopefully he likes TriBeCa more than he likes middle America

I like Fast on the 4th line. He’s miscast in the top 6 and is going to want 3+ on his next deal. No thanks
- nyrangers9479

Pretty much how I feel. Pretty likely on our next good team some combo of Lemeuix-Chytil/Strome-Buch/Kravstov will be on our third line. All of those players are superior to Fast. Fast is one of the best 4th liners in the league, but again you can find someone who does 80-90% of what he does for a fraction of the price and we will have no shortage of internal options that will be on ELC or have years of team control left (like we had with Fast to begin with). There's zero reason to keep Fast.

Pretty much how I feel. Pretty likely on our next good team some combo of Lemeuix-Chytil/Strome-Buch/Kravstov will be on our third line. All of those players are superior to Fast. Fast is one of the best 4th liners in the league, but again you can find someone who does 80-90% of what he does for a fraction of the price and we will have no shortage of internal options that will be on ELC or have years of team control left (like we had with Fast to begin with). There's zero reason to keep Fast.
- 2sticks1puck

I feel like people hate on Fast because the coaches put him in the those spots in the lineup, yet they blame Fast for it the guy is the Dan Girardi of forwards, busts his ass every single shift..doesn’t say poop and just goes about his business like a pro. You need that on your team

Nah he’s been ripping Fast on a weekly basis for years now

I don’t think he’d get that much, 2.25 would be a raise. He’s worth that imo. He’s a terrific role model for the plethora of kids we have and will be having
- Slimtj100

If Fast was willing to accept 2.25 and keep a bottom 6 role I have no problem with him. But he’s going to want 3+ and I hate him in the top 6.

I feel like people hate on Fast because the coaches put him in the those spots in the lineup, yet they blame Fast for it the guy is the Dan Girardi of forwards, busts his ass every single shift..doesn’t say poop and just goes about his business like a pro. You need that on your team
- Slimtj100

I think there's a 100% chance the Flyers will make a run at Fast over the summer

I feel like people hate on Fast because the coaches put him in the those spots in the lineup, yet they blame Fast for it the guy is the Dan Girardi of forwards, busts his ass every single shift..doesn’t say poop and just goes about his business like a pro. You need that on your team
- Slimtj100

I actually completely agree with this. It’s not his fault he gets moved up, but that doesn’t mean I have to like it haha

I feel like people hate on Fast because the coaches put him in the those spots in the lineup, yet they blame Fast for it the guy is the Dan Girardi of forwards, busts his ass every single shift..doesn’t say poop and just goes about his business like a pro. You need that on your team
- Slimtj100

I don't hate Fast. I just think people with the qualities you list above aren't that rare in the NHL and don't cost 3 million. We saw in 2014, we beat a lot of teams because we had 3 really good lines. If we build a team that mimicked that team, no way Fast sniffs the top 9 without some kind of injuries. Every year there are tons of guys who can be effective 4th liners in free agency that can be had for slightly above the league minimum. 2 of those 4th line spots will likely be held by Howden and either Barron or Lias (if he isn't traded). Why are you breaking the bank for Fast to be the 12th forward?

I think there's a 100% chance the Flyers will make a run at Fast over the summer
- jimbro83

lol if they want to pay him over 3 million, let them implode their cap.

If Fast was willing to accept 2.25 and keep a bottom 6 role I have no problem with him. But he’s going to want 3+ and I hate him in the top 6.
- nyrangers9479

Where did you hear/read that he's going to want over $3M?
That is your speculation. Allow me to respond in kind, maybe he loves being a Ranger and loves that his teammates appreciate him so much. Maybe he takes a minimal increase and just keeps being a consummate professional.
And your opinion that he's a 4th liner is outdated by about a season. As was just said a little while ago, without him on that line I think it's very believable that neither Panarin nor Strome have the season they are having. I roll my eyes when he misses on a prime scoring chance too (although that is happening less than in the past), but his positional play, smarts and relentless pressure have a lot to do with the line succeeding as a whole.

Pretty much how I feel. Pretty likely on our next good team some combo of Lemeuix-Chytil/Strome-Buch/Kravstov will be on our third line. All of those players are superior to Fast. Fast is one of the best 4th liners in the league, but again you can find someone who does 80-90% of what he does for a fraction of the price and we will have no shortage of internal options that will be on ELC or have years of team control left (like we had with Fast to begin with). There's zero reason to keep Fast.
- 2sticks1puck

Give me Fast over Buch and Lemieux right now.

I don't hate Fast. I just think people with the qualities you list above aren't that rare in the NHL and don't cost 3 million. We saw in 2014, we beat a lot of teams because we had 3 really good lines. If we build a team that mimicked that team, no way Fast sniffs the top 9 without some kind of injuries. Every year there are tons of guys who can be effective 4th liners in free agency that can be had for slightly above the league minimum. 2 of those 4th line spots will likely be held by Howden and either Barron or Lias (if he isn't traded). Why are you breaking the bank for Fast to be the 12th forward?
- 2sticks1puck

I think that players with SOME of the qualities listed are not rare.
Quickie is average or above in every way except his hands. And he makes up for it somewhat by understanding the play at a level well above his pay-grade, IMO.

Where did you hear/read that he's going to want over $3M?
That is your speculation. Allow me to respond in kind, maybe he loves being a Ranger and loves that his teammates appreciate him so much. Maybe he takes a minimal increase and just keeps being a consummate professional.
And your opinion that he's a 4th liner is outdated by about a season. As was just said a little while ago, without him on that line I think it's very believable that neither Panarin nor Strome have the season they are having. I roll my eyes when he misses on a prime scoring chance too (although that is happening less than in the past), but his positional play, smarts and relentless pressure have a lot to do with the line succeeding as a whole.
- Tonybere

He already makes 2, I don't think it's a stretch that he'd want 3. I just think we are going to have tons of better internal options than Fast. Don't forget Fast became a vital part of this team because he replaced Hags, who made too much money. I would say pretty safely that Hags is still the superior player, but his loss was covered by the fact we got Fast to a bunch of what he could do at a fraction of the price. To me replacing Fast is pretty much the same thing.

I think that players with SOME of the qualities listed are not rare.
Quickie is average or above in every way except his hands. And he makes up for it somewhat by understanding the play at a level well above his pay-grade, IMO.
- Tonybere

Its just you and me and TJ on the Fast train Tony

Pretty much how I feel. Pretty likely on our next good team some combo of Lemeuix-Chytil/Strome-Buch/Kravstov will be on our third line. All of those players are superior to Fast. Fast is one of the best 4th liners in the league, but again you can find someone who does 80-90% of what he does for a fraction of the price and we will have no shortage of internal options that will be on ELC or have years of team control left (like we had with Fast to begin with). There's zero reason to keep Fast.
- 2sticks1puck

I vehemently disagree with this