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- nyisles7

I think you mean fagged

Keep hearing about how the Isles have precious few assets to trade. That being the case, if they spend what little they have on more D, well, that wouldn't make any sense to me. No one they bring in is going to replace Pelech, so it'd just be adding bodies.

Keep hearing about how the Isles have precious few assets to trade. That being the case, if they spend what little they have on more D, well, that wouldn't make any sense to me. No one they bring in is going to replace Pelech, so it'd just be adding bodies.
- UIF

Don't necessarily agree with that....if someone else on the blueline gets hurt then the 1/3 of the Isles defense is going to be made up of an AHL player and a rookie. That's problematic. Boychuk has missed, going backwards from last season, 8, 24, 16, 12, and 10 games in every season as an Islander. There's a high likelihood that he misses a moderate, or more, amount of time at some point this season...or in the playoffs.

The Islanders are three points away from being completely out of the playoffs, as things stand now. They can't afford to rely on two defenseman with almost no NHL experience.

Keep hearing about how the Isles have precious few assets to trade. That being the case, if they spend what little they have on more D, well, that wouldn't make any sense to me. No one they bring in is going to replace Pelech, so it'd just be adding bodies.
- UIF

Greene can walk after the season and if it's a low pick I'd be ok with it but they really dont have anything to offer and they aren't parting with their 1st unless it's a deal like stone got where theres an extension involved

Don't necessarily agree with that....if someone else on the blueline gets hurt then the 1/3 of the Isles defense is going to be made up of an AHL player and a rookie. That's problematic. Boychuk has missed, going backwards from last season, 8, 24, 16, 12, and 10 games in every season as an Islander. There's a high likelihood that he misses a moderate, or more, amount of time at some point this season...or in the playoffs.

The Islanders are three points away from being completely out of the playoffs, as things stand now. They can't afford to rely on two defenseman with almost no NHL experience.
- eichiefs9

I would agree with this it would be different if hickey wasnt hurt in the bridge. They have been in a lot of these games and the late penalty vs the rags and the meltdown vs the caps are killers. I'm hoping they work on some things during the break or at least rest and get back to their d style

I would agree with this it would be different if hickey wasnt hurt in the bridge. They have been in a lot of these games and the late penalty vs the rags and the meltdown vs the caps are killers. I'm hoping they work on some things during the break or at least rest and get back to their d style
- Upstate_isles

Yeah I don't know what Hickey's status is and I assume that would affect things. If they think he'll be healthy by the deadline then they may not see a need to spend assets on another defenseman. I still think Greene would be cheap and a solid addition. Not a big fan of Dillon or that reported price tag.

Yeah I don't know what Hickey's status is and I assume that would affect things. If they think he'll be healthy by the deadline then they may not see a need to spend assets on another defenseman. I still think Greene would be cheap and a solid addition. Not a big fan of Dillon or that reported price tag.
- eichiefs9

Yea unlike pageau and toffoli up front inthink pageau is cost prohibitive. No to dillon

Yea unlike pageau and toffoli up front inthink pageau is cost prohibitive. No to dillon
- Upstate_isles

Even if Hickey is healthy, he's had a couple concussions now....entirely possible that they add someone either way

Don't necessarily agree with that....if someone else on the blueline gets hurt then the 1/3 of the Isles defense is going to be made up of an AHL player and a rookie. That's problematic. Boychuk has missed, going backwards from last season, 8, 24, 16, 12, and 10 games in every season as an Islander. There's a high likelihood that he misses a moderate, or more, amount of time at some point this season...or in the playoffs.

The Islanders are three points away from being completely out of the playoffs, as things stand now. They can't afford to rely on two defenseman with almost no NHL experience.
- eichiefs9

Yeah a 5/6 would be fine imo. Should probably start getting aho in some games for exactly this reason.

Yea unlike pageau and toffoli up front inthink pageau is cost prohibitive. No to dillon
- Upstate_isles

If the price is as reported for him then I don’t think it’s cost prohibitive especially with what it could do for our line up. A 2nd a prospect I’m ok with. It just revolves around what lameriello thinks is too much. These guys saying he’s not willing to give u a first don’t know what the (frank) they’re talking about. He may be not willing too but they don’t know that it’s all speculation.

Greene can walk after the season and if it's a low pick I'd be ok with it but they really dont have anything to offer and they aren't parting with their 1st unless it's a deal like stone got where theres an extension involved
- Upstate_isles

I don't know, if it's the right rental, I say trade the first. Why not? Hell, I think the only time in the last 10 years they did part with it was the draft they ended up getting Barzal and Beau anyway

I get it...it's a gamble and you might end up moving a first with little to show for it, which isn't the best thing for the future. All I'm saying is, hanging onto it like it's the most precious thing in the universe won't help them this season, and it hasn't exactly resulted in an embarrassment of riches as far as prospects and tradable assets. If there's a solid player that's going to fill a need, score some goals, and fit the team identity, I'm down for taking the risk, trading the pick, and worrying about an extension later.

If the price is as reported for him then I don’t think it’s cost prohibitive especially with what it could do for our line up. A 2nd a prospect I’m ok with. It just revolves around what lameriello thinks is too much. These guys saying he’s not willing to give u a first don’t know what the (frank) they’re talking about. He may be not willing too but they don’t know that it’s all speculation.
- Cptmjl

Staple has a point though...the Islanders have played pretty poorly and they're not far at all from being entirely bumped out of a playoff spot all together. They absolutely 150% need to get it together after the 10 day break otherwise it's honestly way too risky to start throwing around reasonably-valuable assets like 2nd round picks and prospects. They're going to have to string together a good number of wins coming out of the break here. 32 days to the deadline and, if I'm being honest, I think there's too much risk in making any big rental acquisitions right now.

I don't know, if it's the right rental, I say trade the first. Why not? Hell, I think the only time in the last 10 years they did part with it was the draft they ended up getting Barzal and Beau anyway

I get it...it's a gamble and you might end up moving a first with little to show for it, which isn't the best thing for the future. All I'm saying is, hanging onto it like it's the most precious thing in the universe won't help them this season, and it hasn't exactly resulted in an embarrassment of riches as far as prospects and tradable assets. If there's a solid player that's going to fill a need, score some goals, and fit the team identity, I'm down for taking the risk, trading the pick, and worrying about an extension later.
- UIF

I don't think they're in a position to trade 1st's for the rental, again -- rental, players that are out there. I don't think they're one piece away from being likely Cup contenders. I definitely don't think anyone that's been talked about as available has a true-value that is a 1st and maybe more.

That has a major trickle-down effect on having assets in later years to acquire assets when they may actually be in that contender category.

Staple has a point though...the Islanders have played pretty poorly and they're not far at all from being entirely bumped out of a playoff spot all together. They absolutely 150% need to get it together after the 10 day break otherwise it's honestly way too risky to start throwing around reasonably-valuable assets like 2nd round picks and prospects. They're going to have to string together a good number of wins coming out of the break here. 32 days to the deadline and, if I'm being honest, I think there's too much risk in making any big rental acquisitions right now.
- eichiefs9

I have to agree. I rather save the #1 pick for a deal in the summer for a signed player. Leddy and a #1 maybe or Bailey and a #1? Hall is off the board so what other player is worth giving up a #1 plus prospects?

Maybe we can bring this stud back

https://twitter.com/khl_e...tatus/1220407946179379201

I don't think they're in a position to trade 1st's for the rental, again -- rental, players that are out there. I don't think they're one piece away from being likely Cup contenders. I definitely don't think anyone that's been talked about as available has a true-value that is a 1st and maybe more.

That has a major trickle-down effect on having assets in later years to acquire assets when they may actually be in that contender category.
- eichiefs9

Sadly the Isles do not seem one piece away. If they were, you do not think twice about giving up a #1 plus prospects.

Staple has a point though...the Islanders have played pretty poorly and they're not far at all from being entirely bumped out of a playoff spot all together. They absolutely 150% need to get it together after the 10 day break otherwise it's honestly way too risky to start throwing around reasonably-valuable assets like 2nd round picks and prospects. They're going to have to string together a good number of wins coming out of the break here. 32 days to the deadline and, if I'm being honest, I think there's too much risk in making any big rental acquisitions right now.
- eichiefs9

I understand this is a deep draft but I’m not enamored with late first round picks. They have value to me I just don’t value them as much as you. We’ve been holding onto picks for years and we’ve all see what we’ve gotten for it. I do agree that there needs to be an evaluation period to decide whether it’s worth trading it to begin with up to the tdl. With that said any addition to this line up could potentially help jump start it so that’s also a factor...
Getting sick off all of these can’t miss prospects that never amount to anything. If Lameriellio feels this team can do something it’s time to make the moves to help it take the next step. Can’t always be sitting on the sidelines every season watching other teams try to help their line ups. Can’t let fear rule decisions we’ll never get anywhere. Every season there will be an excuse not to do anything I know that at this point.

I have to agree. I rather save the #1 pick for a deal in the summer for a signed player. Leddy and a #1 maybe or Bailey and a #1? Hall is off the board so what other player is worth giving up a #1 plus prospects?
- ses111

They're not moving Leddy, you gotta move on from that one.

Impossible to predict what player out there that is under contract for who-knows-how-many years might be available and maybe worth a price like that. But if you want to speculate for yourself, go to CapFriendly and find a non-contender team that's short on cap space and maybe that's who deals a player like that.

They're not moving Leddy, you gotta move on from that one.

Impossible to predict what player out there that is under contract for who-knows-how-many years might be available and maybe worth a price like that. But if you want to speculate for yourself, go to CapFriendly and find a non-contender team that's short on cap space and maybe that's who deals a player like that.
- eichiefs9

If no Leddy deal and their prospects are not highly rated and the team continues to miss in FA, how does this team improve? They may need to open a spot for Dobson next year. Why would trading Leddy be off the table?

I understand this is a deep draft but I’m not enamored with late first round picks. They have value to me I just don’t value them as much as you. We’ve been holding onto picks for years and we’ve all see what we’ve gotten for it. I do agree that there needs to be an evaluation period to decide whether it’s worth trading it to begin with up to the tdl. With that said any addition to this line up could potentially help jump start it so that’s also a factor...
Getting sick off all of these can’t miss prospects that never amount to anything. If Lameriellio feels this team can do something it’s time to make the moves to help it take the next step. Can’t always be sitting on the sidelines every season watching other teams try to help their line ups. Can’t let fear rule decisions we’ll never get anywhere. Every season they’ll be an excuse not to do anything I know that at this point.
- Cptmjl

It's got nothing to do with this being a deep draft or "can't miss prospects".

The exact problem we're dealing with right now is that the Isles prospect pool is filled with either garbage or a couple guys that have high ceilings but also have moderately high risk of not reaching those ceilings.

My point is mainly that by trading a first, and obviously not having that selection to make this year, we're not adding any assets into that sub-par bank of futures that we can trade down the line. I don't think there's a rental player out there worth a 1st round pick, so trading our 1st out of desperation is just throwing away a pick that we could've used to draft a guy that we could trade down the line (or give us the depth to trade someone else) to acquire someone when there really is a truly talented rental player out there.

That said, trading it for someone young and cost-controlled (ie: Labanc) is checking boxes for the current season and many beyond. I'm fully on-board for something like that, but flipping a 1st for a few months of Pageau would be poor asset management and reek of desperation.

https://www.nhl.com/standings/2019/league I think a few of you should look at this and calm down a bit. You would think we were in last place reading this thread. .. we should definitely make a big move, because we are definitely THAT close..

I don't think they're in a position to trade 1st's for the rental, again -- rental, players that are out there. I don't think they're one piece away from being likely Cup contenders. I definitely don't think anyone that's been talked about as available has a true-value that is a 1st and maybe more.

That has a major trickle-down effect on having assets in later years to acquire assets when they may actually be in that contender category.
- eichiefs9

Eh...they're never going to be in a perfect position, but one key player plugged into the right spot makes a lot of other pieces fall into place better. And true value is relative.

I don't know, you can wait for the stars to align absolutely perfectly so there's virtually no risk at all, which is never going to happen, or you can try something a little different from the "shucky dang darn, we left no stone unturned but we really like our group" trade deadline boilerplate speech we're used to. I think they have a good squad with the right attitude, but I also think things are going maybe just a little stale. With the right shot in the arm, I think they can reach another gear.

As for the trickle down effect, maybe...but, again, the death grip they've historically had on the first round pick hasn't seemed to result in a flood of assets to trade now, when they could use some help.

https://www.nhl.com/standings/2019/league I think a few of you should look at this and calm down a bit. You would think we were in last place reading this thread. .. we should definitely make a big move, because we are definitely THAT close..
- niteislander

It's not just about looking at the standing. You have to look at the roster and how it matches up against other possible playoffs teams. When you take an honest look at this team, it does not appear to be good enough for a long playoff run and the team does not appear to have the assets one or two needed pieces.

It's got nothing to do with this being a deep draft or "can't miss prospects".

The exact problem we're dealing with right now is that the Isles prospect pool is filled with either garbage or a couple guys that have high ceilings but also have moderately high risk of not reaching those ceilings.

My point is mainly that by trading a first, and obviously not having that selection to make this year, we're not adding any assets into that sub-par bank of futures that we can trade down the line. I don't think there's a rental player out there worth a 1st round pick, so trading our 1st out of desperation is just throwing away a pick that we could've used to draft a guy that we could trade down the line (or give us the depth to trade someone else) to acquire someone when there really is a truly talented rental player out there.

That said, trading it for someone young and cost-controlled (ie: Labanc) is checking boxes for the current season and many beyond. I'm fully on-board for something like that, but flipping a 1st for a few months of Pageau would be poor asset management and reek of desperation.
- eichiefs9

That is the definition of a prospect.

I arguing for a trade and maybe a little bit of recklessness, and Ses is arguing for standing pat. What is going on today?