goalie toi leaders & overall place in the standings:

1 Carey Price MTL 2,363:06 22
2 Frederik Andersen TOR 2,265:50 18
3 Connor Hellebuyck WPG 2,262:16 19
4 John Gibson ANA 2,148:09 27
5 David Rittich CGY 2,125:41 15
6 Andrei Vasilevskiy TBL 2,103:56 5
7 Marc-Andre Fleury VGK 2,060:24 17
8 Jordan Binnington STL 2,042:49 2
9 Sergei Bobrovsky FLA 2,014:44 10
10 Jacob Markstrom VAN 2,011:55 11
- Tumbleweed

The issue I have is whenever he struggles we hear Freddy is "tired". But what about October? He stinks all of October every year. He's a very hold and cold goalie.

that seems high
- senstroll

A 1st, Grundstrom and Durzi for Muzzin.

Lil is the first.

Grundstrom is the 2nd.

Abramov is Durzi.

I think it is pretty damn close. Maybe that 2nd becomes a 3rd...Maybe

one way to look at it.

another is 6 are in the middle of the pack from 10-19, 2 are in the bottom 3rd and 2 in the top 5.

or another is the top 4 are sitting out of the playoffs.
- Tumbleweed

I think the main message here is they are all over the map and it does not relate.

A 1st, Grundstrom and Durzi for Muzzin.

Lil is the first.

Grundstrom is the 2nd.

Abramov is Durzi.
- Santo_44

I value 2019 Muzzin a little higher (age/cap/impact).
But I may value lilgrn higher than most...who think he is a bust or not Turing out the way we expected.

I feel you wedgster.

I had a pulmonary infection in the last 3 weeks.

Just came back to work last friday and I'm finally breathing normally again.
- Scabeh

Thinking of hitting a clinic.

I can feel it in my lungs.

if Larry Walker doesnt get in the HOF, thats (frank)ing stupid

I value 2019 Muzzin a little higher (age/cap/impact).
But I may value lilgrn higher than most...who think he is a bust or not Turing out the way we expected.
- senstroll

top teams, toi for goalie with most minutes and ranking:

1 WSH Braden Holtby 1,885:01 13
2 STL Jordan Binnington 2,042:49 8
3 BOS Tuukka Rask 1,637:45 22
4 PIT Matt Murray 1,583:18 24
5 TBL Andrei Vasilevskiy 2,103:56 6
6 COL Philipp Grubauer 1,659:28 21
7 NYI Semyon Varlamov 1,716:17 19
8 CBJ Joonas Korpisalo 1,876:16 14
9 CAR Petr Mrazek 1,820:03 17
10 FLA Sergei Bobrovsky 2,014:44 9

Thinking of hitting a clinic.

I can feel it in my lungs.
- Atomic Wedgie

You need a better gag reflex.

Thinking of hitting a clinic.

I can feel it in my lungs.
- Atomic Wedgie

Do it.

I waited too long and it got way worse for me than it should have.

top teams, toi for goalie with most minutes and ranking:

1 WSH Braden Holtby 1,885:01 13
2 STL Jordan Binnington 2,042:49 8
3 BOS Tuukka Rask 1,637:45 22
4 PIT Matt Murray 1,583:18 24
5 TBL Andrei Vasilevskiy 2,103:56 6
6 COL Philipp Grubauer 1,659:28 21
7 NYI Semyon Varlamov 1,716:17 19
8 CBJ Joonas Korpisalo 1,876:16 14
9 CAR Petr Mrazek 1,820:03 17
10 FLA Sergei Bobrovsky 2,014:44 9
- Tumbleweed

Florida is outscoring their goaltending issues... Maybe we can do the same... again?

if Larry Walker doesnt get in the HOF, thats (frank)ing stupid
- senstroll

Yup. The guy did everything. And he had a career 313 %

I value 2019 Muzzin a little higher (age/cap/impact).
But I may value lilgrn higher than most...who think he is a bust or not Turing out the way we expected.
- senstroll

That is fair...I think they still get a price close to that.


I like Lil but his value is a mid to late 1st.

Abramov and a 2nd? They could be NHLers but I wouldn't be surprised if either sees no more than 100 games.

To get Petry it has to be for a valuable piece plus a few projects/hopefulls.


I think if Dubas does anything significant it will be sooner rather than later.

He is well aware of the adjustment period for players and I doubt he adds anything significant at TDL day.

Florida is outscoring their goaltending issues... Maybe we can do the same... again?
- PatC80

At least we are paying Freddy half the cap hit.

But Leafs "overpay" their players. Florida has "No State Taxes". HAHA.

Thank god Florida got Bobrovsky cheap...No state taxes!!! Bobrovsaky would have gotten 13 million per elsewhere...

At least we are paying Freddy half the cap hit.

But Leafs "overpay" their players. Florida has "No State Taxes". HAHA.

Thank god Florida got Bobrovsky cheap...No state taxes!!! Bobrovsaky would have gotten 13 million per elsewhere...
- RogerRoeper

Unless you are, or are likely to be, sitting in the same spot on the scoring list as you are on the contract list, then you are overpaid.

Of course things like defense, intangibles, leadership etc. have to be considered but do you really think we have any evidence that any of our "questionable" contract players are providing any of that?

Our payroll vs. the standings suggest not.

At least we are paying Freddy half the cap hit.

But Leafs "overpay" their players. Florida has "No State Taxes". HAHA.

Thank god Florida got Bobrovsky cheap...No state taxes!!! Bobrovsaky would have gotten 13 million per elsewhere...
- RogerRoeper

Unless you are, or are likely to be, sitting in the same spot on the scoring list as you are on the contract list, then you are overpaid.

Of course things like defense, intangibles, leadership etc. have to be considered but do you really think we have any evidence that any of our "questionable" contract players are providing any of that?

Our payroll vs. the standings suggest not.
- Aetherial

Other than Tavares, our guys are looking damn elite. And Tavares production is still very good.

16 of 31 teams are up against the cap.

That is fair...I think they still get a price close to that.


I like Lil but his value is a mid to late 1st.

Abramov and a 2nd? They could be NHLers but I wouldn't be surprised if either sees no more than 100 games.

To get Petry it has to be for a valuable piece plus a few projects/hopefulls.


I think if Dubas does anything significant it will be sooner rather than later.

He is well aware of the adjustment period for players and I doubt he adds anything significant at TDL day.
- Santo_44

I don't think the team is ready to trade futures for the "present". This team is more than a Liljegren trade away from winning a cup.

Other than Tavares, our guys are looking damn elite. And Tavares production is still very good.

16 of 31 teams are up against the cap.
- RogerRoeper

Yeah,
no.

I don't think the team is ready to trade futures for the "present". This team is more than a Liljegren trade away from winning a cup.
- Aetherial

Petry has two years on his contract.

And agree to disagree.

Yeah,
no.
- Aetherial

Marner is 3rd in scoring since he came back. Matthews' numbers speak for themselves.

Yeah,
no.
- Aetherial

Marner is 3rd in scoring since he came back. Matthews' numbers speak for themselves.

Florida is outscoring their goaltending issues... Maybe we can do the same... again?
- PatC80

I didnt realize how similar Fla and Tor are

Team sv% 899/898
goals gm 3.67/3.57
ga/gm 3.27/3.29
shot diff 1.1/1.4

I didnt realize how similar Fla and Tor are

Team sv% 899/898
goals gm 3.67/3.57
ga/gm 3.27/3.29
shot diff 1.1/1.4
- senstroll

Exactly. So, if it's working for them, it could work for us... Or not.. We could both fail?

Exactly. So, if it's working for them, it could work for us... Or not.. We could both fail?
- PatC80

one is getting bad goaltending, the other doesnt try or care and is soft

one is getting bad goaltending, the other doesnt try or care and is soft
- senstroll

I hear a loooooooot of people on this thread saying "If Florida finally gets goaltending lookout"

However for the Leafs its

"It is all the Leafs players and coaches fault that they aren't getting goaltending, they are doomed."