Nothing rude or abrasive in any of my posts. Simply direct. It was about as bad a piece of analysis as I've seen. Goes against everything fundamental.
- MJL

Thank you. Yes, I know defense is a five man effort. Yes, I know the bad turnovers and the bad change created downstream impacts. But I also know the Rangers have their defense be passive at the blue line and let the opposition gain the zone.

This is all true, but Quinn’s system puts players in bad spots a lot of times. Maybe not on these two goals but his systems makes good defenseman look poor. See pionk in winni.

Regardless Jan is very objective and great to converse with on the site.
- nyrangers2

I'm sure he is, I just think he got this one wrong. I wasn't making an indictment on his blogging as a whole.

Nothing rude or abrasive in any of my posts. Simply direct. It was about as bad a piece of analysis as I've seen. Goes against everything fundamental.
- MJL

You must be fun at parties. Also, this is about as bad a piece of analysis of the understanding of what rude and abrasive are as I’ve seen.

You must be fun at parties. Also, this is about as bad a piece of analysis of the understanding of what rude and abrasive are as I’ve seen.
- picklerick

Wow --- seems I missed quite a bit here today!

Jan- you're still my favorite blogger!

Thank you. Yes, I know defense is a five man effort. Yes, I know the bad turnovers and the bad change created downstream impacts. But I also know the Rangers have their defense be passive at the blue line and let the opposition gain the zone.
- airjan23

Damn straight Jan...don't give up on this fight

I think in this debate, you are both right in instances and wrong.

Defense is definitely not static and its up to the individual defenseman to step up or not depending on the situation. You can make the argument that they should have/or shouldn't have on those plays but that is just an opinion.


Skjei & Trouba tend to collapse back because both are not the fleetest of foot skating backwards. Same goes for Staal. You see Lindgren, Fox and Tony D tend to step up a bit more because they can recover quickly.

All I know is I want Ruff gone. Thats a fact.

Wow --- seems I missed quite a bit here today!

Jan- you're still my favorite blogger!
- TommyGTrain

I understand his point and both of us can be right. Is what it is. I appreciate the backing from my normal readers and comments. He is entitled to his view and I never stop anyone from providing that, so all good.

I think in this debate, you are both right in instances and wrong.

Defense is definitely not static and its up to the individual defenseman to step up or not depending on the situation. You can make the argument that they should have/or shouldn't have on those plays but that is just an opinion.


Skjei & Trouba tend to collapse back because both are not the fleetest of foot skating backwards. Same goes for Staal. You see Lindgren, Fox and Tony D tend to step up a bit more because they can recover quickly.


- mdw7413

That's the entire point. In any coaches system, there is what is ideal and what they want to happen and then there is what happens when things don't go correctly. It's a read and react situation. You also bring up a good point that it's also about the skill level a player has. How well he can anticipate and how well he skates. There is also situational awareness and where the game is at time place and score. To blame the system for goals allowed is just really bad analysis. Especially when there are multiple mistakes committed by multiple players.

That's the entire point. In any coaches system, there is what is ideal and what they want to happen and then there is what happens when things don't go correctly. It's a read and react situation. You also bring up a good point that it's also about the skill level a player has. How well he can anticipate and how well he skates. There is also situational awareness and where the game is at time place and score. To blame the system for goals allowed is just really bad analysis. Especially when there are multiple mistakes committed by multiple players.
- MJL

I definitely lean more towards that, then the camp of "its Quinn's fault" I think sometimes we all like to blame the coach cause its an easy target. In saying that there are some things I disagree with Quinn. More about player usage.

I just never see Quinn get the credit on here when the team plays a really good defensive game, but somehow its his system that gets the blame when things don't go well.

Utilize them, yes. View them as the end all and be all, no.
- airjan23

Just teasing, there are some that only look at numbers, let's refer to him as, "Tony's Favorite Writer."

I think in this debate, you are both right in instances and wrong.

Defense is definitely not static and its up to the individual defenseman to step up or not depending on the situation. You can make the argument that they should have/or shouldn't have on those plays but that is just an opinion.


Skjei & Trouba tend to collapse back because both are not the fleetest of foot skating backwards. Same goes for Staal. You see Lindgren, Fox and Tony D tend to step up a bit more because they can recover quickly.

All I know is I want Ruff gone. Thats a fact.
- mdw7413

There is a system in place, but the players will play to their strengths and weaknesses as you pointed out. Had a more mobile pair been out there things might have played out differently, however there wasn't. Time to move on to the Isles.

Nothing rude or abrasive in any of my posts. Simply direct. It was about as bad a piece of analysis as I've seen. Goes against everything fundamental.
- MJL

Things can be analyzed multiple ways. Jans analysis is his way of seeing it. Everyone sees things and analyzes them differently.

There is no contradiction. Defense is team play involving all 5 skaters on the ice. The poor execution comes in with poor decision making, poor spacing on the forecheck and poor forward defensive play. I alluded to all of this in my posts.
- MJL

Yes you are contradicting yourself.

You say "There is no defenseman that would step up and challenge aggressively at the blueline on that play. That doesn't have squat to do with systems play. It has to do with poor execution."

So you are saying the defense played the situation right by not being aggressive but then you say it was a poor decision not too!!

Thats a being contradicting.

There are bad plays and poor execution on both teams every game every night. When it isnt a game changer it is rarely discussed. When the other team capitalizes, its either called a great play by one team or a bad decision by the other. No one on this blog knows why Strome went for a change. He did for whatever reason and the Blue jackets capitalized.

There is no perfect game. One team must make a mistake, otherwise the score will always be 0-0

I'm sure he is, I just think he got this one wrong. I wasn't making an indictment on his blogging as a whole.
- MJL

Your blog and your comments here shows a lack of understanding of hockey systems.

This is likely an opinion derived from an analytics mindset off of manually tracked zone entries. Leads to a lot of misunderstandings.

Really seems that you were, actually.
Regardless, your tone was rather aggressive. Jan deserves better treatment than Tanner.
And it’s not even close!!

Just teasing, there are some that only look at numbers, let's refer to him as, "Tony's Favorite Writer."
- Fenrir

There is a system in place, but the players will play to their strengths and weaknesses as you pointed out. Had a more mobile pair been out there things might have played out differently, however there wasn't. Time to move on to the Isles.
- Fenrir

There was actually a similar play while it was still 1-0 where Trouba did step up and disrupted a zone entry. It’s situational, and in these 2 instances, pretty much all 5 Rangers chose poorly. Unfortunately, it happens.

There was actually a similar play while it was still 1-0 where Trouba did step up and disrupted a zone entry. It’s situational, and in these 2 instances, pretty much all 5 Rangers chose poorly. Unfortunately, it happens.
- Tonybere

Add in a bad change, and you have a recipe for disaster.
Moving on to the Isles.

Yes you are contradicting yourself.

You say "There is no defenseman that would step up and challenge aggressively at the blueline on that play. That doesn't have squat to do with systems play. It has to do with poor execution."

- Brukie

I've made numerous posts on this. You've got it wrong. I elaborated fully on where I think the poor execution comes in.

Wow --- seems I missed quite a bit here today!

Jan- you're still my favorite blogger!
- TommyGTrain

Thank you

Really seems that you were, actually.
Regardless, your tone was rather aggressive. Jan deserves better treatment than Tanner.
And it’s not even close!!
- Tonybere

Thanks. All good. Difference of opinion. Makes for good chatter.

I was there sunday night on Chase Bridge, had a spot with two seats, glass table, and a TV built into the table where I watched football game too, was amazing

section 328 it's considered row 2, seats 1 and 2, everybody should try those seats, it's very cool

game was a big let down, Panarin is definitely playing with some kind of ailment, the break will be good for him

unfortunately in the playoff race scheme of things, that was a very bad game to come away with zero points

I was there sunday night on Chase Bridge, had a spot with two seats, glass table, and a TV built into the table where I watched football game too, was amazing

section 328 it's considered row 2, seats 1 and 2, everybody should try those seats, it's very cool

game was a big let down, Panarin is definitely playing with some kind of ailment, the break will be good for him

unfortunately in the playoff race scheme of things, that was a very bad game to come away with zero points
- jimbro83

That sounds amazing. If I hit big on AC one time, I'll have to drop a several hundred or whatever they charge you and check it out

I agree with you on Panarin looking fatigued. It could be an ailment, or it could be the fact we've had to rely on him so much.

That sounds amazing. If I hit big on AC one time, I'll have to drop a several hundred or whatever they charge you and check it out

I agree with you on Panarin looking fatigued. It could be an ailment, or it could be the fact we've had to rely on him so much.
- 2sticks1puck

He left practice the day before with an upper body injury. He is def hurting with something

Georgie starting tonight....another game with Hank riding pine