Who, amongst these 3, would you trade the unconditional 2020 1st round pick for?

Kyle Connor
Jake Guentzal
Brayden Point

Dont forget to consider age, position and contract.
- TheSabresTaco

Easy for me...Point.
Center, puts up poi ts, solid 2 way player, fast, smart.
On this team, be fills the biggest position of need.
With VO and Skins, LW is covered well enough, where the value in acquiri g the other 2 is diminished...although cheaper than Skinner.
Do either of those 2 put up close to the same production playing with Larson as their C?

So most believe Sabres need a 2C, I'm curious to know what "standards" you would need to see in such a player to be reasonably happy if the Sabres traded for him/her?

Goals/Assists/Pts? Or PPG:
Primarily a Goal Scorer or a Playmaker?:
Minimum Shooting %:
Minimum Corsi For %:
Maximum OZ Starts %:
Minimum Faceoff Win %:
Other:

Also, granted it has only about 30 games for Asplund, but do you think his game grows enough to be an effective 3C?
- IonSabres

I think a couple big things missing are: age, cost to acquire, contract amount and length.
That being said, I would like a playmaker who's decent defensively and can win faceoffs. Shooting % can fluctuate based on a lot of factors, and Corsi is more of a line measurement than individual. The Ozone starts also is variable depending on the coach and other lines ability as well.
Basically looking for an ROR type of player that won't cry when the going gets tough.

The Pittsburgh trade is based on a few things. Sheary won two Cups there, Galchenyuk is a UFA and not fitting in there, McCann has done well, but his production/ ice time should decrease with Sid back and he is 1 of 9 RFAs just counting the guys on the big club that they need to resign. Lastly, they should owe us one for taking a cap dump last time and they have no 2nd this year.

On Vesey, Edmonton pretty much has no secondary scoring and Vesey has been playing better. JP is not going to help them get to the playoffs this year and likely won't play for them again. Adding McCabe for Russell gives them a younger dman going forward and Russell would be a good Vet for Buffalo. With Bogo gone it leaves us with Miller as the oldest dman and Risto the most experienced. Russell brings in a defensive dman to help the young guys. He's still top 20 in blocking shots where our highest rated shot blocker ranks 80th.
- adambuffalo

Ya, I get your logic as I said. It is rational with some justification
I just don't see those teams wanting the players mentioned...I don't think they move the needle enough...especially including McCann while in a playoff race for Pitt.
I though the Oil were looking for RhD, maybe I'm confused...Vesey could help them a bit, but I would find it hard to believe they sell on him that low for a rental.
I like the concept though.

Who, amongst these 3, would you trade the unconditional 2020 1st round pick for?

Kyle Connor
Jake Guentzal
Brayden Point

Dont forget to consider age, position and contract.
- TheSabresTaco

Literally all 3 without hesitation.

John Vogl read my hockeybuzz post and agreed with my assessed value of Reinhart.

https://theathletic.com/1...s-restricted-free-agency/

I think a couple big things missing are: age, cost to acquire, contract amount and length.
That being said, I would like a playmaker who's decent defensively and can win faceoffs. Shooting % can fluctuate based on a lot of factors, and Corsi is more of a line measurement than individual. The Ozone starts also is variable depending on the coach and other lines ability as well.
Basically looking for an ROR type of player that won't cry when the going gets tough.
- adambuffalo

So;
60 Pts roughly
10%+ Shoot%
55% FO
50% Corsi For
~47% OZ
Late 20's
Couple years remaining
$7.5m-ish

Who, amongst these 3, would you trade the unconditional 2020 1st round pick for?

Kyle Connor
Jake Guentzal
Brayden Point

Dont forget to consider age, position and contract.
- TheSabresTaco

Points the obvious choice being a center. Only issues I would have is he has two years left and then likely will be another $10m guy. Whereas Connor is signed for 6 more years. To tag along on that idea is we would have less chance of drafting someone who can contribute while on an entry level contract and instead we would be giving TB their 3rd first round pick of the draft.
If we could trade Skinner in a separate deal, I would go with Connor. If not, then I go with Point and trade Mitts.
Eichel and Point > Stamkos and Point

So;
60 Pts roughly
10%+ Shoot%
55% FO
50% Corsi For
~47% OZ
Late 20's
Couple years remaining
$7.5m-ish
- IonSabres

Sounds about right.

Jonathan Toews and Duncan Keith were just scrapping at the morning skate. Toews had Keith pinned down on the ice. and had most of his jersey off. Sheldon Brookbank broke them up. A few stick-taps from around the team and back to the usual morning skate. That was... interesting.
https://twitter.com/MarkL.../1219659160578678793?s=19

If we end up picking in the #10 - #15 range, do we draft Askarov?
I'll hang up and listen.
- Sir Tindoom

I wouldn’t hate the idea
Was a fan of trying to get Spencer Knight with our 2nd pick last year until ROR took StL to the Cup

I wouldn’t hate the idea
Was a fan of trying to get Spencer Knight with our 2nd pick last year until ROR took StL to the Cup
- jdfitz77

I dont know how I would feel. He does look pretty incredible but how many years is he away a couple?

no clue if he would have waived or not

A. he played when botts was their assistant GM
B he played his entire NHL career in the NE
C it's an american city and closer to his hometown then phoenix
D skinner waived to come here

to say he would not waive to come here, just is not correct
- homiedclown

A
So what? When’s the last time a guy went to a team bc of the GM? It was WIDELY KNOWN that he was willing to waive to go play for his ex coach though

B & C
Again, a nothing point. There were lots of other cities closer to his hometown he could’ve went to,
BUT DIDN’T. So the location of Phoenix obviously wasn’t a negative factor.

D
Different player, different circumstances, no correlation


It was a foregone conclusion that Kessel was going to Phoenix
Pretending Buffalo could’ve been in the running when their name never even came up as a possibility is nothing but an extreme reach

Well, I'm only going by the reports by so-called experts on prospects, but I think it is worth it in that range. I have heard comparisons to Tukka Rask and other very, very good goalies. Having a stable of good young goalies and Dmen in the pipeline allows for great cost control at key positions, especially if they have Eichel, Olofsson, Reinhart, Skinner all locked up longer term.
- IonSabres

Almost sounds like you think Botts is building the team the right way
Hmmmm...

I’d get Streit-to-the-Point.
- PrinceChill

A
So what? When’s the last time a guy went to a team bc of the GM? It was WIDELY KNOWN that he was willing to waive to go play for his ex coach though

B & C
Again, a nothing point. There were lots of other cities closer to his hometown he could’ve went to,
BUT DIDN’T. So the location of Phoenix obviously wasn’t a negative factor.

D
Different player, different circumstances, no correlation


It was a foregone conclusion that Kessel was going to Phoenix
Pretending Buffalo could’ve been in the running when their name never even came up as a possibility is nothing but an extreme reach
- jdfitz77

you can't say he wouldn't come here


they didn't try to get him, even though they should have


you can say , you think he wouldn't come here, but you can't say there was no chance he would come here



unless you served his agent a beer and heard this

you can't say he wouldn't come here


they didn't try to get him, even though they should have


you can say , you think he wouldn't come here, but you can't say there was no chance he would come here



unless you served his agent a beer and heard this
- homiedclown

No one has ever come here. E10

No one has ever come here. E10
- TheSabresTaco

Who, amongst these 3, would you trade the unconditional 2020 1st round pick for?

Kyle Connor
Jake Guentzal
Brayden Point

Dont forget to consider age, position and contract.
- TheSabresTaco

Any one of them.

- homiedclown

Nope, didn't want to come here. Botts abducted his family and blackmailed him.

Almost sounds like you think Botts is building the team the right way
Hmmmm...
- jdfitz77

Despite my incessant complaints about Bott f'g up the 2C for 2 seasons, generally I like most of his moves. That said, I don't fully trust him this offseason to nail it...he has a poop-ton of work to get done...I'm not sure anyone can optimize the roster with the amount of openings he'll have.
Should be very very interesting none the less and wish only the absolute best for him to do so.

Nope, didn't want to come here. Botts abducted his family and blackmailed him.
- TheSabresTaco

Truge, if hue

JDFitz and Beady were just spooning at the video liquidators. Fitz had Beady pinned down on the red velvet couch and had most of his clothes off. Gerbe broke them up. A few pelvic-thrusts from the onlookers and back to the usual morning routine. That was... interesting.
https://twitter.com/MarkL.../1219659160578678793?s=19
- adambuffalo

Oh my!

you can't say he wouldn't come here


they didn't try to get him, even though they should have
- homiedclown

Can you say this? I don't recall them saying that they didn't try.
Is it possible that Botts knew from previous interactions with Kessel that he would have no desire coming to Buffalo?
Is it possible that the AGM for Pittsburgh knew who was on Kessel's 8 team trade list?
Is it possible he didn't want to trade Reinhart for Kessel? Which could be considered equivalent to Galchenyuk at the time.
Kessel's having his worst statistical year since his last season in Boston '07-'08.
I've always liked him, but wasn't upset we didn't get him. Salary, cost to acquire and his age don't really help us.
Make the playoffs maybe, but not building a contender for years to come.

Can you say this? I don't recall them saying that they didn't try.
Is it possible that Botts knew from previous interactions with Kessel that he would have no desire coming to Buffalo?
Is it possible that the AGM for Pittsburgh knew who was on Kessel's 8 team trade list?
Is it possible he didn't want to trade Reinhart for Kessel? Which could be considered equivalent to Galchenyuk at the time.
Kessel's having his worst statistical year since his last season in Boston '07-'08.
I've always liked him, but wasn't upset we didn't get him. Salary, cost to acquire and his age don't really help us.
Make the playoffs maybe, but not building a contender for years to come.
- adambuffalo

they didn't try to get him

Oh my!
- Beethoven

I would like it noted, since you are including my name in your attempt at humor, that I had no part in this.
Don't you have an impeachment trial to be at? Quoting people with fraudulent comments.