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Ryan Wilson
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Rochester, NY
Joined: 06.13.2013

Jan 17 @ 10:59 AM ET
Ryan Wilson: Regression may be looming for Penguins finishing ability Regression may be looming for Penguins finishing ability
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jan 17 @ 11:20 AM ET
Sprong could really skate.

One thing for Legare is unlike Sprong he already knows he needs to improve. There was a report somewhere this week he was trying to learn some things from Rust's game to become a more complete player.

I bring them up mainly because both get a lot of their offense on the PP, and that doesn't alwaya translate well. Now if he can snag Kessel's old spot someday he could score a lot of goals.

- Tojo.


Yes, he could, but I really meant more on his play away from the puck. If Legare is player who takes more initiative to get better then all of that could change.
burgh4life87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.22.2014

Jan 17 @ 11:41 AM ET
Rust shot at 13% last season through 72 games at 5v5. He is currently at 15.79 at 5v5. If his shot regresses to last seasons full season number you are only talking about a difference of 2 goals. That's way overblown.
Thorny87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 10.17.2014

Jan 17 @ 11:50 AM ET
Maybe we'll see more shooting from Sid with Jake out. I respect Jake's finishing skills but having Sid in a shooting mentality could help fill that void.
burgh4life87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.22.2014

Jan 17 @ 12:12 PM ET
I just can't wait for JJ to no longer play alongside Letang.
drummer829
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.12.2010

Jan 17 @ 12:17 PM ET
I wonder if JR is waiting for Bjugstad to get back before making any big moves. He seems like the wild card right now. He can play as Sids winger, the 3rd C, or be a trade chip.

I still want to see Galchenyuk get a chance with Sid as well.
Dr Blob
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 09.30.2018

Jan 17 @ 12:18 PM ET
Just a bad effort last night against a team that was a bit more motivated since they were coming off a lackluster loss. Despite what they do tonight against Detroit, I am interested in how the Pens respond on Sunday when they face the Bruins again. There should be no excuse for not showing up since the B’s took it to them.
BrenosBagels
Washington Capitals
Joined: 03.05.2019

Jan 17 @ 12:22 PM ET
Ryan Wilson: Regression may be looming for Penguins finishing ability
Regression may be looming for Penguins finishing ability

- Ryan_Wilson


wow no pun, im shocked
burgh4life87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.22.2014

Jan 17 @ 12:22 PM ET
I wonder if JR is waiting for Bjugstad to get back before making any big moves. He seems like the wild card right now. He can play as Sids winger, the 3rd C, or be a trade chip.

I still want to see Galchenyuk get a chance with Sid as well.

- drummer829


Galchenyuk is gone. Both the coach and the GM have said multiple times he isn't a fit in the top 6 and won't be getting time there. Just about every outlet is reporting that Jim is only looking for a pick or a bottom 6 forward in return.

As for Bjugstad, they will put him back at 3rd line center with Horny. See what kind of production they can come up with. I hope he gets back soon.
burgh4life87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.22.2014

Jan 17 @ 12:24 PM ET
Dreger just made a comment on twitter that the rangers are asking for a significant young player for Georgiev. Said that Kapanen alone would likely not get the deal done.
Cousinskrid
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: the BURGH, PA
Joined: 03.08.2018

Jan 17 @ 12:26 PM ET
I just can't wait for JJ to no longer play alongside Letang.
- burgh4life87


Agreed... he's been keeping 58's head above water a lot recently. jk
Cousinskrid
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: the BURGH, PA
Joined: 03.08.2018

Jan 17 @ 12:29 PM ET
Agreed on the blog for the most part, but I thought the Pens had plenty of chances to at least tie the game up at 2, before the B's got 3. Could've been an entirely different game, but the puck just wasn't going in the net for the boys last night.
Cousinskrid
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: the BURGH, PA
Joined: 03.08.2018

Jan 17 @ 12:32 PM ET
Just a bad effort last night against a team that was a bit more motivated since they were coming off a lackluster loss. Despite what they do tonight against Detroit, I am interested in how the Pens respond on Sunday when they face the Bruins again. There should be no excuse for not showing up since the B’s took it to them.
- Dr Blob


I don't know... I thought the effort was there, but their timing was off.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jan 17 @ 12:32 PM ET
Agreed... he's been keeping 58's head above water a lot recently.
- Cousinskrid

Yeah normally Letang is in a yacht.
burgh4life87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.22.2014

Jan 17 @ 12:36 PM ET
Agreed... he's been keeping 58's head above water a lot recently. jk
- Cousinskrid


I'm not going to complain too much, because in his 3rd pairing role he was fine playing at 50% in possession metrics, but Letang's possession metrics have dropped 8 to 10% in every category since playing with him. That is worse than supposed shooting regression.
Cousinskrid
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: the BURGH, PA
Joined: 03.08.2018

Jan 17 @ 12:37 PM ET
Yeah normally Letang is in a yacht.
- Feds91Stammer


And he had a 'whale' of a road trip last week... played his best hockey all season.
Cousinskrid
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: the BURGH, PA
Joined: 03.08.2018

Jan 17 @ 12:51 PM ET
I'm not going to complain too much, because in his 3rd pairing role he was fine playing at 50% in possession metrics, but Letang's possession metrics have dropped 8 to 10% in every category since playing with him. That is worse than supposed shooting regression.
- burgh4life87


Here's my theory on the much debated 3/58 pairing... in a system such as Sully's that the Pens have obviously bought into as a team THIS SEASON, it has good and bad to it. The 'bad' is that it probably restricts guys like Sid, Geno and Tanger, as it takes away some of their free-wheeling and creativity. The 'good' as I see it is it helps prop up the JJs and Rhuws so the TEAM works better together as a unit. So when you had the 81s, 71s and 58s doing their own thing, like they did last season, it really left the 2s and 3s not knowing what to expect or do, because they're not seeing what they should be seeing on the ice in the system. This season, with everyone buying in, everyone else knows where to expect their teammates to be, and they're ALL playing better. Individually, it sounds like a bad thing to sacrifice some of what 58 can do to help 3, but as a team, the system works better for everyone. And thus, maybe why Sully is pairing Dmen like he is.
The Isles (and Pens) both demonstrated this theory in plain, painful sight during last year's playoffs.
10inchTerror
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jan 17 @ 12:53 PM ET
wow no pun, im shocked. Brenosbagels


Horsepoop if you ask me.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Jan 17 @ 1:00 PM ET
I'm not going to complain too much, because in his 3rd pairing role he was fine playing at 50% in possession metrics, but Letang's possession metrics have dropped 8 to 10% in every category since playing with him. That is worse than supposed shooting regression.
- burgh4life87


Yeah I think you're right here and it's a big factor in why they've had 3+ goals scored on them the last 6 games.
ddwes39
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 06.16.2017

Jan 17 @ 1:01 PM ET
As usual Ryan Wilson predicting gloom and doom for the Pens, if you dislike this team and its GM so much why to you report on it, stick to the coyotes, Pittsburgh fans do not want to hear your biased opinions
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jan 17 @ 1:05 PM ET
@Cousins:

Eh I'm not sure I buy that. Sullivan's system is defensively minded in the sense that it focuses on back checking, but it's not super restrictive and the things that make it defensively sound is a lot of aggressive and offensive stuff. When you talk about systems that restrict creative players, you're talking about the stuff that Hitch and AV used to do with playing passive defense and forcing shots outside to shield the goalie. We don't really do that. Our back check is relentless and the forwards remain active as we attempt to take the puck from your lifeless corpse rather than just let you shoot a low percentage shot and then take it back then. That kind of aggression ensures that the puck has a better shot of going up ice and activating the forwards at full speed. Then on offense, rather than stretch passes or dump ins, the system calls for a lot of short, tape to tape passing to move the puck up. Maybe that limits the dipsy doodles that Malkin gets to do, but it breeds overall offensive creativity and fast pace since the puck travels faster on a pass than it does on a skate.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jan 17 @ 1:07 PM ET
As usual Ryan Wilson predicting gloom and doom for the Pens, if you dislike this team and its GM so much why to you report on it, stick to the coyotes, Pittsburgh fans do not want to hear your biased opinions
- ddwes39

The tl;dnr of this blog was: Pens will continue to be good. Rust and McCann may not keep up their goal scoring pace, and that's why we should probably make a trade. If that's doom and gloom to you then you're a baby.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jan 17 @ 1:13 PM ET
I think the main problem with this roster is when they run into teams that are just as fast, play with high tempo and puck movement, but are also a bit heavier and meaner. Boston, Washington and the Islanders come to mind.
burgh4life87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.22.2014

Jan 17 @ 1:21 PM ET
Yeah I think you're right here and it's a big factor in why they've had 3+ goals scored on them the last 6 games.
- MattStrat


Team stats before December 1st: 54% Shots, 54.6% Scoring Chances for, 56.6% HDCF

Team since December 1st to now: 50% Shots, 51.3% Scoring Chances, 52% HDCF.

The loss of Dumo hurts significantly. It doesn't allow us to get the proper pairing we want. Letang had 5 goals and 5 assists at 5v5 in his first 19 games. Since then he only has 6 assists in 20. I miss Dumo haha.
eNDSo
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: PA
Joined: 06.20.2016

Jan 17 @ 1:22 PM ET
As usual Ryan Wilson predicting gloom and doom for the Pens, if you dislike this team and its GM so much why to you report on it, stick to the coyotes, Pittsburgh fans do not want to hear your biased opinions
- ddwes39


Then don't read it. Goodbye.
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