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nyrangers9479
New York Rangers
Joined: 11.08.2013

Jan 17 @ 10:19 AM ET
lol
- jimbro83

Solves the problem doesn’t it?
WineryDog
New York Rangers
Location: VA
Joined: 01.12.2015

Jan 17 @ 10:19 AM ET
Draft rules are different than just 10 games played
- nyrangers9479


They are and include AHL experience, as well as other leagues. It's all there on the site if you want to read it.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Jan 17 @ 10:22 AM ET
Solves the problem doesn’t it?
- nyrangers9479


I love how we go from praying that Staal retires to giving him an extension

or putting him on first pairing
WineryDog
New York Rangers
Location: VA
Joined: 01.12.2015

Jan 17 @ 10:24 AM ET
I think we need clarification because I just read this where I see them list Hajek as exempt

https://elitesportsny.com...ans-for-new-york-rangers/

- jimbro83


I read that and I hope he's right but think he's wrong.
nyrangers9479
New York Rangers
Joined: 11.08.2013

Jan 17 @ 10:25 AM ET
They are and include AHL experience, as well as other leagues. It's all there on the site if you want to read it.
- WineryDog

”First and second-year professional players and unsigned draft picks are not eligible for the expansion draft and won't need to be protected.”

Next year will be Lindgrens 2nd year, he can’t be exposed. Same goes for Hajek
nyrangers9479
New York Rangers
Joined: 11.08.2013

Jan 17 @ 10:26 AM ET
Hajek and Lindgren are both exempt
WineryDog
New York Rangers
Location: VA
Joined: 01.12.2015

Jan 17 @ 10:29 AM ET
”First and second-year professional players and unsigned draft picks are not eligible for the expansion draft and won't need to be protected.”

Next year will be Lindgrens 2nd year, he can’t be exposed. Same goes for Hajek

- nyrangers9479


From Sinbin following previous quote from GeneralFanager:

This is excellent news for Las Vegas as it should open up a number of players in the 20-22 year old range who only have one NHL season under their belt. Pretty much all players younger than 19 years old will be exempt, but including AHL, ECHL, and all other professional leagues will make most 20+ year olds eligible.

Hajek and Lindgren both turned 20 in 2018. 18-19 is first season. This is second. Next year is third.
nyrangers9479
New York Rangers
Joined: 11.08.2013

Jan 17 @ 10:31 AM ET
From Sinbin following previous quote from GeneralFanager:

This is excellent news for Las Vegas as it should open up a number of players in the 20-22 year old range who only have one NHL season under their belt. Pretty much all players younger than 19 years old will be exempt, but including AHL, ECHL, and all other professional leagues will make most 20+ year olds eligible.

Hajek and Lindgren both turned 20 in 2018. 18-19 is first season. This is second. Next year is third.

- WineryDog

That’s not true. 10 games counts as a season, they played less than 10 last year. AHL and other leagues dont count
rrentz
New York Rangers
Location: HUNTINGTON, NY
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jan 17 @ 10:34 AM ET
If they just made Hank a healthy scratch every night - his competitive nature would get him to accept a trade. How much of his contract do we have to eat though? There is no way CO pays him $8.5M
- Greschnergy#4



I agree, Hank, no matter how much he loves NY is going to like sitting down every 4/5 games. His salary drops to 5.5mil next year. I honestly think he's going to accept a trade.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Jan 17 @ 10:42 AM ET
Hockeystatminer put this up over a year ago

WineryDog
New York Rangers
Location: VA
Joined: 01.12.2015

Jan 17 @ 10:45 AM ET
Hockeystatminer put this up over a year ago


- jimbro83


I've read the rules many times. I beat the drum that Georgiev didn't have to be exposed for months, which is no longer a debate. I think I'm right here, but sure as heck HOPE that I'm wrong.

Where's HB counsel Pete V? Pete, can we get an interpretation here!?
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Jan 17 @ 10:45 AM ET
I've read the rules many times. I beat the drum that Georgiev didn't have to be exposed for months, which is no longer a debate. I think I'm right here, but sure as heck HOPE that I'm wrong.

Where's HB counsel Pete V? Pete, can we get an interpretation here!?

- WineryDog


I think you are correct too
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Jan 17 @ 10:50 AM ET

Nick Kypreos
@RealKyper

Dougie Hamilton suffered a broken fibula last night. Further evaluation today will determine if surgery is needed. Similar injury that shut down Jordan Staal 1/2 season in 2014.
@nhl

@SiriusXMNHL

@Canes
10:41 AM · Jan 17, 2020
tbreinold
New York Rangers
Location: Branchburg, NJ
Joined: 02.14.2007

Jan 17 @ 10:51 AM ET
Nick Kypreos
@RealKyper

Dougie Hamilton suffered a broken fibula last night. Further evaluation today will determine if surgery is needed. Similar injury that shut down Jordan Staal 1/2 season in 2014.
@nhl

@SiriusXMNHL

@Canes
10:41 AM · Jan 17, 2020

- jimbro83



Too bad, guy was having a great season
WineryDog
New York Rangers
Location: VA
Joined: 01.12.2015

Jan 17 @ 10:55 AM ET
Nick Kypreos
@RealKyper

Dougie Hamilton suffered a broken fibula last night. Further evaluation today will determine if surgery is needed. Similar injury that shut down Jordan Staal 1/2 season in 2014.
@nhl

@SiriusXMNHL

@Canes
10:41 AM · Jan 17, 2020

- jimbro83


It looked horrible. Hopefully, no long term effects for him.
Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jan 17 @ 10:56 AM ET
Nick Kypreos
@RealKyper

Dougie Hamilton suffered a broken fibula last night. Further evaluation today will determine if surgery is needed. Similar injury that shut down Jordan Staal 1/2 season in 2014.
@nhl

@SiriusXMNHL

@Canes
10:41 AM · Jan 17, 2020

- jimbro83

Huge loss for the Canes
Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jan 17 @ 10:59 AM ET
James Mirtle:
But what’s clear is Toronto has inquired multiple times this season about New York Rangers goaltender Alexandar Georgiev, a 23-year-old who has quickly gone from undrafted free agent in 2017 to a promising prospect at the NHL level.

To date, the Rangers’ asking price has been high. They want a quality young player who can play now, not a pick or a prospect, for the young Russian netminder.

The result is a bit of a stalemate, as the Leafs (and other suitors) haven’t been willing to meet that price for a goalie who has only started 60 NHL games....

Both teams have kept trade talks quiet, so specifics are somewhat lacking. But it’s believed that the Leafs are willing to part with futures – including someone like AHLer Jeremy Bracco – in order to land Georgiev. The Rangers, however, are asking for more established players, presumably, the likes of Leafs forwards Kasperi Kapanen, Andreas Johnsson or Alexander Kerfoot.

That’s going to be a no-go for Toronto, especially in a 1-for-1 scenario. While the Leafs would potentially move a forward like that to upgrade on their blue line in the coming weeks, it doesn’t make much sense for them to give up one of their primary trade chips for a goaltender who may only play a handful of games for them the rest of the season...

Where adding Georgiev makes the most sense is as insurance for the future. The Leafs badly need an upgrade at the backup position next season and could also use an alternate option to giving Andersen a massive contract when he becomes a free agent at the end of 2020-21.

Given Toronto’s cap constraints, meeting Andersen’s asking price may not be wise. And he will be 32 years old by the start of the 2021-22 season, when a big new UFA deal would kick in.

It’s way early to try and forecast that Georgiev could replace Andersen, but he would at least give Toronto a viable option to fill some of the void in net if they opt not to re-sign their No. 1 of the past four seasons....

What hurts Georgiev’s value for a lot of GMs is the pending Seattle expansion draft in the summer of 2021. Teams will only be permitted to protect one goaltender, which makes a young backup a luxury few clubs want to give up an established player for. Goalies could be in abundance on the trade market in advance of the expansion draft, too, as teams attempt to get assets for players they’d otherwise lose for nothing.

It’s also still unclear what Georgiev’s ceiling is, especially compared to players like Kapanen and Johnsson, who both had 20 goals last season and have spent a lot of time playing in Toronto’s top six the past two years.

My guess is that the Rangers struggle to get anyone to meet their current asking price, which will leave them contemplating either carrying three goalies the rest of the season or accepting more of a futures package.
2sticks1puck
New York Rangers
Location: The not quite neutral zone
Joined: 01.31.2019

Jan 17 @ 11:01 AM ET
Hockeystatminer put this up over a year ago


- jimbro83


I think we are also both in agreement that we have to be prepared that we are probably going to lose someone decent, at that time we will have to take our medicine and move on. Just don't tie picks in the draft or the dumb crap the other teams did.
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Jan 17 @ 11:03 AM ET
Nick Kypreos
@RealKyper

Dougie Hamilton suffered a broken fibula last night. Further evaluation today will determine if surgery is needed. Similar injury that shut down Jordan Staal 1/2 season in 2014.
@nhl

@SiriusXMNHL

@Canes
10:41 AM · Jan 17, 2020

- jimbro83


(frank). I have him on both my fantasy squads.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Jan 17 @ 11:04 AM ET
I think we are also both in agreement that we have to be prepared that we are probably going to lose someone decent, at that time we will have to take our medicine and move on. Just don't tie picks in the draft or the dumb crap the other teams did.
- 2sticks1puck


yes, agreed, just accept losing 1 guy and move on
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Jan 17 @ 11:05 AM ET
I think we are also both in agreement that we have to be prepared that we are probably going to lose someone decent, at that time we will have to take our medicine and move on. Just don't tie picks in the draft or the dumb crap the other teams did.
- 2sticks1puck

Out of the forwards its Chytil I'm protecting.
2sticks1puck
New York Rangers
Location: The not quite neutral zone
Joined: 01.31.2019

Jan 17 @ 11:08 AM ET
James Mirtle:
But what’s clear is Toronto has inquired multiple times this season about New York Rangers goaltender Alexandar Georgiev, a 23-year-old who has quickly gone from undrafted free agent in 2017 to a promising prospect at the NHL level.

To date, the Rangers’ asking price has been high. They want a quality young player who can play now, not a pick or a prospect, for the young Russian netminder.

The result is a bit of a stalemate, as the Leafs (and other suitors) haven’t been willing to meet that price for a goalie who has only started 60 NHL games....

Both teams have kept trade talks quiet, so specifics are somewhat lacking. But it’s believed that the Leafs are willing to part with futures – including someone like AHLer Jeremy Bracco – in order to land Georgiev. The Rangers, however, are asking for more established players, presumably, the likes of Leafs forwards Kasperi Kapanen, Andreas Johnsson or Alexander Kerfoot.

That’s going to be a no-go for Toronto, especially in a 1-for-1 scenario. While the Leafs would potentially move a forward like that to upgrade on their blue line in the coming weeks, it doesn’t make much sense for them to give up one of their primary trade chips for a goaltender who may only play a handful of games for them the rest of the season...

Where adding Georgiev makes the most sense is as insurance for the future. The Leafs badly need an upgrade at the backup position next season and could also use an alternate option to giving Andersen a massive contract when he becomes a free agent at the end of 2020-21.

Given Toronto’s cap constraints, meeting Andersen’s asking price may not be wise. And he will be 32 years old by the start of the 2021-22 season, when a big new UFA deal would kick in.

It’s way early to try and forecast that Georgiev could replace Andersen, but he would at least give Toronto a viable option to fill some of the void in net if they opt not to re-sign their No. 1 of the past four seasons....

What hurts Georgiev’s value for a lot of GMs is the pending Seattle expansion draft in the summer of 2021. Teams will only be permitted to protect one goaltender, which makes a young backup a luxury few clubs want to give up an established player for. Goalies could be in abundance on the trade market in advance of the expansion draft, too, as teams attempt to get assets for players they’d otherwise lose for nothing.

It’s also still unclear what Georgiev’s ceiling is, especially compared to players like Kapanen and Johnsson, who both had 20 goals last season and have spent a lot of time playing in Toronto’s top six the past two years.

My guess is that the Rangers struggle to get anyone to meet their current asking price, which will leave them contemplating either carrying three goalies the rest of the season or accepting more of a futures package.

- airjan23


FFS Toronto, Anderson doesn't have a NMC, you can protect Georgie and leave Anderson exposed. Out of the guys listed I want kapanen. Kerfoot is already 25 and im not sure he gets much better.
2sticks1puck
New York Rangers
Location: The not quite neutral zone
Joined: 01.31.2019

Jan 17 @ 11:11 AM ET
Out of the forwards its Chytil I'm protecting.
- mdw7413


We should be able to protect most of our good forwards. Only guys that would be on the bubble IMO are Strome, Lemeuix, and Buch. If Strome keeps his play up, he will be protected for sure.
nyrangers9479
New York Rangers
Joined: 11.08.2013

Jan 17 @ 11:15 AM ET
FFS Toronto, Anderson doesn't have a NMC, you can protect Georgie and leave Anderson exposed. Out of the guys listed I want kapanen. Kerfoot is already 25 and im not sure he gets much better.
- 2sticks1puck

Agreed it would be Kapanen I want. Kerfoot doesn’t interest me.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Jan 17 @ 11:19 AM ET
We should be able to protect most of our good forwards. Only guys that would be on the bubble IMO are Strome, Lemeuix, and Buch. If Strome keeps his play up, he will be protected for sure.
- 2sticks1puck


maybe they can negotiate with Strome to give him a NMC so he can be sure he wont go to expansion team in return for a relatively bargain rate cap hit
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