Strome is actually playing on a different line than Panarin. He is just another example of a player labeled as a bust in NYI and Edmonton that found his game when given a new opportunity.

I don’t see the Rangers trading him anywhere at this moment!
- TheUltimateJet

Strome is real bad. He’s just putting up points to hide subpar play. Won’t continue. This was a whole thing with DeAngelo getting dunked on over on twitter when people pointed out how Strome was lucky as hell

He's quite good in the AHL and didn't struggle when he was called up to the Jets.

I'm not sure if he does get called up but he should, probably won't cause they have so many filler dmen with the Jets already.
- JetFuel

Forgive me for not being sold on a 23 year old with bad NHL numbers and 3 goals in his entire Moose tenure. He’s not good. He’s carried.

Forgive me for not being sold on a 23 year old with bad NHL numbers and 3 goals in his entire Moose tenure. He’s not good. He’s carried.
- Rexypoo

Don't mind Nogier, not judging him on his goal-scoring. Maybe a late bloomer, time will tell. Or this is one of his last years?

Sammy in today, Sbisa out - what will Sammy bring today? Hopefully he shines when called upon.

I do not understand all this talk about trading for rentals, career year guys, and prospects getting shafted elsewhere that Maurice absolutely won’t play.

-Our offence is wildly inconsistent, and relies entirely on the pure talent we have over any sort of actual system, which is why the top 6 can score a ton, but the bottom 6 can’t buy a goal.
-Our defence is terrible in build quality AND system AND actual performance. So we’re a bad group of players, playing a bad system, and performing badly. We’re constantly outshot, outchanced, and get shredded by any team with a halfway decent cycle game. Hellebuyck deserves the Vezina, Hart, and Selke so far for me.
-Our special teams are bad. NHL worst PK (shocking), and while our top PP unit can usually get the job done, the 2nd unit is still dead in the water. And that’s not on the players. Maurice and co. just kinda throw whoever out for unit 2, which would work with any sort of strategy, but there isn’t one. And they can’t even say “f*ck it” and just fire off one timers because they never have a one timer option. Everyone on that unit has to take the pass, turn, and then shoot. It’s stupid. Give Ehlers something to work with.

Bottom line here is that the Jets are not a real contender. Adding Byfuglien won’t make them a real contender, even if he puts in his career best work, we have far too many holes to be a real threat. The Winnipeg Jets are a paper tiger.

P.S. the powerplay is super easy to fix. Just have the 2nd unit be a flipped version of the top unit, run by Ehlers on the left wall like Wheeler on the right.
Units would be: Perreault (81), Wheeler, Scheifele, Laine, Pionk AND Roslovic(81), Ehlers(26), Copp/Harkins(55), Connor(29), and Niku

Don't mind Nogier, not judging him on his goal-scoring. Maybe a late bloomer, time will tell. Or this is one of his last years?

Sammy in today, Sbisa out - what will Sammy bring today? Hopefully he shines when called upon.
- grahamzky

I don’t mind Nogier either. I just find it weird that people are clinging to him with the nothing he’s shown while being super ready to sell someone like Vesalainen for nothing when his past numbers are comparable to freakin Panarin at that age.

I do not understand all this talk about trading for rentals, career year guys, and prospects getting shafted elsewhere that Maurice absolutely won’t play.

-Our offence is wildly inconsistent, and relies entirely on the pure talent we have over any sort of actual system, which is why the top 6 can score a ton, but the bottom 6 can’t buy a goal.
-Our defence is terrible in build quality AND system AND actual performance. So we’re a bad group of players, playing a bad system, and performing badly. We’re constantly outshot, outchanced, and get shredded by any team with a halfway decent cycle game. Hellebuyck deserves the Vezina, Hart, and Selke so far for me.
-Our special teams are bad. NHL worst PK (shocking), and while our top PP unit can usually get the job done, the 2nd unit is still dead in the water. And that’s not on the players. Maurice and co. just kinda throw whoever out for unit 2, which would work with any sort of strategy, but there isn’t one. And they can’t even say “f*ck it” and just fire off one timers because they never have a one timer option. Everyone on that unit has to take the pass, turn, and then shoot. It’s stupid. Give Ehlers something to work with.

Bottom line here is that the Jets are not a real contender. Adding Byfuglien won’t make them a real contender, even if he puts in his career best work, we have far too many holes to be a real threat. The Winnipeg Jets are a paper tiger.

P.S. the powerplay is super easy to fix. Just have the 2nd unit be a flipped version of the top unit, run by Ehlers on the left wall like Wheeler on the right.
Units would be: Perreault (81), Wheeler, Scheifele, Laine, Pionk AND Roslovic(81), Ehlers(26), Copp/Harkins(55), Connor(29), and Niku
- Rexypoo

Agree with you Rexypoo. But I will say this, nobody aside from St.Louis has looked that great in the Western conference this year.

I don't think its that far-fetched for the Jets to make the playoffs have their top 5 score consistently, Hellebuyck to play great and the PK to not be liability, and they could do some damage.
Of course getting to the playoffs will be the biggest challenge for the team.

Agree with you Rexypoo. But I will say this, nobody aside from St.Louis has looked that great in the Western conference this year.

I don't think its that far-fetched for the Jets to make the playoffs have their top 5 score consistently, Hellebuyck to play great and the PK to not be liability, and they could do some damage.
Of course getting to the playoffs will be the biggest challenge for the team.
- BWJumper

Oh, for sure. The West has been a mess. It’s totally within the realm of possibility for the Jets to get into the playoffs, then have Hellebuyck go on an unholy run of f*ck you ending in a championship. Goalies are god in this league. Buuuuut we could also miss.

Believe the Isles have been trying to get rid of of Ho-Sang ever since they drafted him. What's that tell you? In their case it would be addition by subtraction. Now Athanasiou, maybe there is a case to be made here.

Believe (maybe wrong) that he's always been such a defensive liability, and that's the last thing we need. But he may be one who could turn things around. Like you say - fast and can score.

Or do we need that top-notch d-man first? OJ, they are important.
- grahamzky

And the Islanders really need some skill and offense on the wing on their 2nd line, maybe they're shooting themselves in the foot by not giving Ho-Sang a legitimate chance in their lineup.

Who cares if Athanasiou is not great defensively, he can score goals and is fast!! This team is never gonna win playing defensive/grind it out hockey, never!

Yeah top notch dmen are important but what do you think that's gonna cost to acquire?! You'd have to literally sell the farm to get one and probably lose a current top 6 forward so you're just filling a hole by digging another one whereas if the rumors are true and Athanasiou could be added for a reasonable acquisition cost then you've added a fast goal scorer to either the 2nd or 3rd line without taking anyone from your current lineup or emptying the prospect pool which at this point makes way more sense. This team relies on the same few guys to score, adding another threat would be huge for this club.

Believe the Isles have been trying to get rid of of Ho-Sang ever since they drafted him. What's that tell you? In their case it would be addition by subtraction. Now Athanasiou, maybe there is a case to be made here.

Believe (maybe wrong) that he's always been such a defensive liability, and that's the last thing we need. But he may be one who could turn things around. Like you say - fast and can score.

Or do we need that top-notch d-man first? OJ, they are important.
- grahamzky

And the Islanders really need some skill and offense on the wing on their 2nd line, maybe they're shooting themselves in the foot by not giving Ho-Sang a legitimate chance in their lineup.

Who cares if Athanasiou is not great defensively, he can score goals and is fast!! This team is never gonna win playing defensive/grind it out hockey, never!

Yeah top notch dmen are important but what do you think that's gonna cost to acquire?! You'd have to literally sell the farm to get one and probably lose a current top 6 forward so you're just filling a hole by digging another one whereas if the rumors are true and Athanasiou could be added for a reasonable acquisition cost then you've added a fast goal scorer to either the 2nd or 3rd line without taking anyone from your current lineup or emptying the prospect pool which at this point makes way more sense. This team relies on the same few guys to score, adding another threat would be huge for this club.

Forgive me for not being sold on a 23 year old with bad NHL numbers and 3 goals in his entire Moose tenure. He’s not good. He’s carried.
- Rexypoo

Forgive me for thinking being good at defending isn't an important part of a defensemens job, it's almost like defense is in the title of their position.. Lol

He's good and he spends most of his time carrying Stanley in the AHL, not every dman is an offensive dman in case you didn't know.

I do not understand all this talk about trading for rentals, career year guys, and prospects getting shafted elsewhere that Maurice absolutely won’t play.

-Our offence is wildly inconsistent, and relies entirely on the pure talent we have over any sort of actual system, which is why the top 6 can score a ton, but the bottom 6 can’t buy a goal.
-Our defence is terrible in build quality AND system AND actual performance. So we’re a bad group of players, playing a bad system, and performing badly. We’re constantly outshot, outchanced, and get shredded by any team with a halfway decent cycle game. Hellebuyck deserves the Vezina, Hart, and Selke so far for me.
-Our special teams are bad. NHL worst PK (shocking), and while our top PP unit can usually get the job done, the 2nd unit is still dead in the water. And that’s not on the players. Maurice and co. just kinda throw whoever out for unit 2, which would work with any sort of strategy, but there isn’t one. And they can’t even say “f*ck it” and just fire off one timers because they never have a one timer option. Everyone on that unit has to take the pass, turn, and then shoot. It’s stupid. Give Ehlers something to work with.

Bottom line here is that the Jets are not a real contender. Adding Byfuglien won’t make them a real contender, even if he puts in his career best work, we have far too many holes to be a real threat. The Winnipeg Jets are a paper tiger.

P.S. the powerplay is super easy to fix. Just have the 2nd unit be a flipped version of the top unit, run by Ehlers on the left wall like Wheeler on the right.
Units would be: Perreault (81), Wheeler, Scheifele, Laine, Pionk AND Roslovic(81), Ehlers(26), Copp/Harkins(55), Connor(29), and Niku
- Rexypoo

I agree the Jets systems suck and the coaching staff is a huge part of this teams issue but the bottom 6 can't buy a goal not cause of systems but cause Lowry is terrible, clearly isn't a 3C and he gets way too much ice time. If we had a 3rd line with almost anyone other then Lowry on it that line very likely produces at a rate typical of what a 3rd line would which would be the difference in a lot of games.

Put Copp at 3C and take any two of Perreault, Harkins or Appleton for the wings and make a line and it probably has 15 more goals on the season at least, 15 more goals is a few more wins at least.

Thank you for clarifying.
Seemed Leafy, thats all.
- shoreorrpark

Some leafs do wonderful things

I do not understand all this talk about trading for rentals, career year guys, and prospects getting shafted elsewhere that Maurice absolutely won’t play.

-Our offence is wildly inconsistent, and relies entirely on the pure talent we have over any sort of actual system, which is why the top 6 can score a ton, but the bottom 6 can’t buy a goal.
-Our defence is terrible in build quality AND system AND actual performance. So we’re a bad group of players, playing a bad system, and performing badly. We’re constantly outshot, outchanced, and get shredded by any team with a halfway decent cycle game. Hellebuyck deserves the Vezina, Hart, and Selke so far for me.
-Our special teams are bad. NHL worst PK (shocking), and while our top PP unit can usually get the job done, the 2nd unit is still dead in the water. And that’s not on the players. Maurice and co. just kinda throw whoever out for unit 2, which would work with any sort of strategy, but there isn’t one. And they can’t even say “f*ck it” and just fire off one timers because they never have a one timer option. Everyone on that unit has to take the pass, turn, and then shoot. It’s stupid. Give Ehlers something to work with.

Bottom line here is that the Jets are not a real contender. Adding Byfuglien won’t make them a real contender, even if he puts in his career best work, we have far too many holes to be a real threat. The Winnipeg Jets are a paper tiger.

P.S. the powerplay is super easy to fix. Just have the 2nd unit be a flipped version of the top unit, run by Ehlers on the left wall like Wheeler on the right.
Units would be: Perreault (81), Wheeler, Scheifele, Laine, Pionk AND Roslovic(81), Ehlers(26), Copp/Harkins(55), Connor(29), and Niku
- Rexypoo

Well said but didn’t you get the memo, it’s all Lowry’s fault

Forgive me for thinking being good at defending isn't an important part of a defensemens job, it's almost like defense is in the title of their position.. Lol

He's good and he spends most of his time carrying Stanley in the AHL, not every dman is an offensive dman in case you didn't know.
- JetFuel

He doesn’t defend well. Better than Stanley isn’t a benchmark

I agree the Jets systems suck and the coaching staff is a huge part of this teams issue but the bottom 6 can't buy a goal not cause of systems but cause Lowry is terrible, clearly isn't a 3C and he gets way too much ice time. If we had a 3rd line with almost anyone other then Lowry on it that line very likely produces at a rate typical of what a 3rd line would which would be the difference in a lot of games.

Put Copp at 3C and take any two of Perreault, Harkins or Appleton for the wings and make a line and it probably has 15 more goals on the season at least, 15 more goals is a few more wins at least.
- JetFuel

Lowry is not the problem. Or even A problem.
Find a new scapegoat, the one you picked is really good at stuff.

Lowry is not the problem. Or even A problem.
Find a new scapegoat, the one you picked is really good at stuff.
- Rexypoo

Yeah he's really good at producing nothing, wasting valuable minutes that could go to someone who might be able to score or assist in scoring, he's also good at giving the puck away lately, he's good at stuff and a keeper alright!..

Yeah he's really good at producing nothing, wasting valuable minutes that could go to someone who might be able to score or assist in scoring, he's also good at giving the puck away lately, he's good at stuff and a keeper alright!..
- JetFuel

I can’t help you if you don’t understand that A: points aren’t everything, and B: he does assist in scoring

I can’t help you if you don’t understand that A: points aren’t everything, and B: he does assist in scoring
- Rexypoo

A: I can't help you if you cling to fancy stats like they're the be all end all about how good a player is even though they just don't produce, Lowry is a black hole offensively. At some point possession time needs to be converted into a goal or its just a waste of time, kind of like the time they've wasted over the years thinking he's anything more then a 4th line player.
B: Not nearly enough for the Jets.

Strome is real bad. He’s just putting up points to hide subpar play. Won’t continue. This was a whole thing with DeAngelo getting dunked on over on twitter when people pointed out how Strome was lucky as hell
- Rexypoo

Well Ryan Strome has a 45.9% Corsi, while Lowry has a 46.9% Corsi, which makes them relatively equal possession wise. The only difference is that Strome contributes offence. 41points in 44 games is nothing to sneeze at. He’s essentially got the same offensive output as Laine this year!

I can’t help you if you don’t understand that A: points aren’t everything, and B: he does assist in scoring
- Rexypoo

I thought the purpose of hockey was to outscore your opposition so that you win the game. I guess I have been wrong about the game this entire time.

Believe the Isles have been trying to get rid of of Ho-Sang ever since they drafted him. What's that tell you? In their case it would be addition by subtraction. Now Athanasiou, maybe there is a case to be made here.

Believe (maybe wrong) that he's always been such a defensive liability, and that's the last thing we need. But he may be one who could turn things around. Like you say - fast and can score.

Or do we need that top-notch d-man first? OJ, they are important.
- grahamzky

Boston was trying to get rid of Seguin to for the exact same reasons NYI wants to get rid of Ho-Sang. How did that turn out for the Bruins?

A: I can't help you if you cling to fancy stats like they're the be all end all about how good a player is even though they just don't produce, Lowry is a black hole offensively. At some point possession time needs to be converted into a goal or its just a waste of time, kind of like the time they've wasted over the years thinking he's anything more then a 4th line player.
B: Not nearly enough for the Jets.
- JetFuel

This

I thought the purpose of hockey was to outscore your opposition so that you win the game. I guess I have been wrong about the game this entire time.
- TheUltimateJet

UJ, you are bringing your checkers board to a chess tournament.

Having a guy like Lowry is like having a knight - its the ability to compete differently. Knights aren’t often the best tool to close a game but poorly used and you are likely to lose.

He plays against anyone as needed whether it’s mc Davîd or Reeves, grinds and wears on them, kills penalties well alongside copp, changes momentum in games as well as anyone.

The gaff today, 70% Lowry and 30% Kulikov, was a rare one in the big picture. I would love to have one more, maybe two more players like him on the Jets.

UJ, you are bringing your checkers board to a chess tournament.

Having a guy like Lowry is like having a knight - its the ability to compete differently. Knights aren’t often the best tool to close a game but poorly used and you are likely to lose.

He plays against anyone as needed whether it’s mc Davîd or Reeves, grinds and wears on them, kills penalties well alongside copp, changes momentum in games as well as anyone.

The gaff today, 70% Lowry and 30% Kulikov, was a rare one in the big picture. I would love to have one more, maybe two more players like him on the Jets.
- 2.0

LOL Reaves scored the series winning goal for Vegas 2 years ago with Lowry on the ice.

LOL Reaves scored the series winning goal for Vegas 2 years ago with Lowry on the ice.
- BWJumper

More funny, Lowry does not play against McDavid. That assignment always goes to Scheifele.