No one can figure this out, for whatever reason? Gillis had another good roster in 2012 but they ran into an absolute machine in Jonathan Quick and the LA Kings, they steamrolled everyone that year.
- Pacificgem

Canucks management groups over the years have mortgaged the future by drafting poorly and trading away picks/young pieces. Can’t sustain winning if young players aren’t successful and able to significantly support the core.

Benning has made his share of mistakes but for me he is building consistency. Build a young core, add vets to reduce the heavy lifting in the first few years, and continue to focus on drafting so that the core can be supported by cheaper talent as the vets are filtered out.

I expect Benning will retain more and more draft picks as his core pieces develop. Prospect pipeline is much better - if that continues, should give Petey multiple shots at a cup.

He brought credibility and structure to a joke of a franchise, so much so that other teams are trying to poach him now.
- Nucker101

Credibility and the NBA do not belong in the same sentence.

Tavares is a better player though, because he's not so one dimensional. Matthews is a great player, but he's pure and simply a shooter, he should be on the wing.
- Pacificgem

I’ve been trolling leaf fan about Tavares being cursed or a franchise anchor that will never bring the big prize to a city. So far so good. Lol.

Canucks management groups over the years have mortgaged the future by drafting poorly and trading away picks/young pieces. Can’t sustain winning if young players aren’t successful and able to significantly support the core.

Benning has made his share of mistakes but for me he is building consistency. Build a young core, add vets to reduce the heavy lifting in the first few years, and continue to focus on drafting so that the core can be supported by cheaper talent as the vets are filtered out.

I expect Benning will retain more and more draft picks as his core pieces develop. Prospect pipeline is much better - if that continues, should give Petey multiple shots at a cup.
- CoolerHeads

Wow.

I think it’s hilarious to watch ex players get fat. The fatter the funnier. Like Deadmarsh fat or Tkachuck fat.
- bloatedmosquito

Dead marsh is fat?

Canucks management groups over the years have mortgaged the future by drafting poorly and trading away picks/young pieces. Can’t sustain winning if young players aren’t successful and able to significantly support the core.

Benning has made his share of mistakes but for me he is building consistency. Build a young core, add vets to reduce the heavy lifting in the first few years, and continue to focus on drafting so that the core can be supported by cheaper talent as the vets are filtered out.

I expect Benning will retain more and more draft picks as his core pieces develop. Prospect pipeline is much better - if that continues, should give Petey multiple shots at a cup.
- CoolerHeads

Even today teams trade away their future to stay competitive when they have a good core, look at Pittsburgh, they've done it for years. Chicago too.

Benning hasn't done anything Pat Quinn (or Brian Burke) didn't already do, Quinn drafted Linden, Bure, Odjick, Nedved, Slegr, Stojanov (who he traded to Pittsburgh for Naslund), Mike Peca, Aucoin, Ohlund, etc. They were set up for years but Quinn got in his own way, much like Benning, and an ownership change pissed it all away.

Trades were easier to make back then and he (Quinn) acquired a lot of good players via trade, something Benning hasn't been able to do.

For one reason or another, we've never been able to sustain anything good. I don't know if it's impatience or what it is, but it's maddening!!

Wow.
- bloatedmosquito

He's already pissed away picks so I don't know what this guy is talking about. He sent McCann to Florida for a guy he's already gotten rid of. Forsling for Clendenning. He sent the 33rd overall pick to get Sutter, who's an ok player but we haven't won jack poop with him on the roster.

No need to go on, Benning is no different than any other GM we've had except he's lost more so he got better draft positions.

Dead marsh is fat?
- LordHumungous

Check out #13...

https://www.google.ca/amp...t-after-they-retired/amp/

Credibility and the NBA do not belong in the same sentence.
- bloatedmosquito

You could say the same about pretty much any professional sports league lol


But we both know what I'm getting at. There's a difference between how the Canucks and Red Wings organizations are viewed.

Canucks management groups over the years have mortgaged the future by drafting poorly and trading away picks/young pieces. Can’t sustain winning if young players aren’t successful and able to significantly support the core.

Benning has made his share of mistakes but for me he is building consistency. Build a young core, add vets to reduce the heavy lifting in the first few years, and continue to focus on drafting so that the core can be supported by cheaper talent as the vets are filtered out.

I expect Benning will retain more and more draft picks as his core pieces develop. Prospect pipeline is much better - if that continues, should give Petey multiple shots at a cup.
- CoolerHeads

We've heard this every year, the Miller trade looks good but Benning continues to trade away better/more picks than he acquires.

I mainly have issues with his early trading always of picks/prospects, I would've liked to have kept McCann and those draft picks around to help provide depth around the current young core. Literally none of those "age gap" players have impacted the big picture here, in fact players like Sutter and Sven are now cap dumps. I'd rather have their cap hits completely off the books and I'm guessing Benning would too.

I have less problems with him trading picks now if it's for players in the 20-26 age group that can be core pieces like Miller is.

He's already pissed away picks so I don't know what this guy is talking about. He sent McCann to Florida for a guy he's already gotten rid of. Forsling for Clendenning. He sent the 33rd overall pick to get Sutter, who's an ok player but we haven't won jack poop with him on the roster.

No need to go on, Benning is no different than any other GM we've had except he's lost more so he got better draft positions.
- Pacificgem

Incorrect.

To make the Guddy trade worse it was McCann + 33 for Guddy.

Sutter wasn't bad. it was Bones + 55 for Sutter + 64(Lockwood). We upgraded on Bones(couldn't predict years of injuries like this at the time) and we lose 9 spots in a draft where the Canucks were already high on Lockwood.

This is awesome.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fjpYaBZVyro

Incorrect.

To make the Guddy trade worse it was McCann + 33 for Guddy.

Sutter wasn't bad. it was Bones + 55 for Sutter + 64(Lockwood). We upgraded on Bones(couldn't predict years of injuries like this at the time) and we lose 9 spots in a draft where the Canucks were already high on Lockwood.
- Retinalz

Incorrect.

To make the Guddy trade worse it was McCann + 33 for Guddy.

Sutter wasn't bad. it was Bones + 55 for Sutter + 64(Lockwood). We upgraded on Bones(couldn't predict years of injuries like this at the time) and we lose 9 spots in a draft where the Canucks were already high on Lockwood.
- Retinalz

Semantics...you get the gist of the meaning. Benning's certainly tried his best to circumvent the building process by trading young assets or picks for quick help. To say he hasn't done it, as the guy I responded to was alluding, is incorrect.

You could say the same about pretty much any professional sports league lol

But we both know what I'm getting at. There's a difference between how the Canucks and Red Wings organizations are viewed.
- Nucker101

I know but I don’t remember the raptors being singled out as the joke of the NBA. I think they have had remarkable success considering they were an NBA expansion team in a different country with a completely different sport culture.

From what I’ve read they have always run their internal player operations pretty well (from travel arrangements to strength and conditioning coaching to player perks). They were never the Oakland A’s of the NBA.

- Nucker101

The only player we potentially missed out on from the Sutter trade is Dillon Dube(who looks like he will be a good top 9 guy). Everyone else from 55-64 is underwhelming. So we realistically didn't miss out on anything there. The Gudbranson trade though I liked it at first, but the guy was trash here. McCann wold be great to have right now if he had his attitude adjustments that getting traded provided. The draft pick, when you look at the plays is very MEH. Debrincat is the only player we missed out on in that trade, and there is truly no guarantee we took him at 33.

But the thing with Crosby and Malkin is they're true centers, the can distribute the puck and score, Matthews is just a scorer, his goals are always higher than his assists.

I'm just being overly critical, I'd love to have him and Tavares down the middle. Both are fantastic players. I just have issues with centers who can't distribute the puck and make players around them better....like Horvat, for instance.
- Pacificgem

Does Elias make players around him better?

Semantics...you get the gist of the meaning. Benning's certainly tried his best to circumvent the building process by trading young assets or picks for quick help. To say he hasn't done it, as the guy I responded to was alluding, is incorrect.
- Pacificgem

Hindsight is 20/20. Aside from Debrincat at 33, the pick turned out to be meaningless. McCann may not have become the player he is now if he stayed.

Does Elias make players around him better?
- Reubenkincade

Yes...

Check out #13...

https://www.google.ca/amp...t-after-they-retired/amp/
- bloatedmosquito

The only player we potentially missed out on from the Sutter trade is Dillon Dube(who looks like he will be a good top 9 guy). Everyone else from 55-64 is underwhelming. So we realistically didn't miss out on anything there. The Gudbranson trade though I liked it at first, but the guy was trash here. McCann wold be great to have right now if he had his attitude adjustments that getting traded provided. The draft pick, when you look at the plays is very MEH. Debrincat is the only player we missed out on in that trade, and there is truly no guarantee we took him at 33.
- Retinalz

Trading a skilled talent because he’s a teenager with attitude is dumb. Obviously there was no faith in the Canucks player development group.

Hindsight is 20/20. Aside from Debrincat at 33, the pick turned out to be meaningless. McCann may not have become the player he is now if he stayed.
- Retinalz

The discussion was about the process not the actual outcomes, so I understand your point but guessing what would've happened isn't the point. Building through drafting and developing is something Benning's done but he's also tried to quick fix things.

Which the other poster says other GM's have been prone to but not Benning, which I disagreed with, that's all.

Yes...
- Pacificgem

I hope that was a rhetorical question.

Yes...
- Pacificgem

Really, Brock has been pretty stagnant playing with him.