I'm not so sure. Basically everything Botterill has done is rationalized and is explained away with one phrase:

"But Murray!"
- jcragcrumple

Not at all. Botts definitely hasnt won every trade, probably 1/2 of them.

We were in dead last place less than a season and 1/2 ago.

It takes time.

You just keep bashing him, with no credit for what he has done.

Joker trade
Skinner trade
Signing eichel for cheap
Keeping Sam's salary down
Building rochester
Handling olofsson and asplund properly
Hiring Krieger
Firing housley quickly
Protecting ullmark
The montour trade

It's not all gmtms fault or jbotts fault

I'm not so sure. Basically everything Botterill has done is rationalized and is explained away with one phrase:

"But Murray!"
- jcragcrumple

Well Murray sure as hell had a big hand in it

Kings need 2 D men, Leafs need a D man and a back up goalie, just to name a few. Need a trade partner, we know the Leafs aren't and the Kings are looking to move salary but want something in return.
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So what was Botts offer for Carter? I'm assuming the Kings were happy w what he was offering, if it got to the point where Carter said "no".

Edmonton has waived Markus Granlund.
Granlund has three goals and four points in 31 contests this season. He comes with a $1.3 million cap hit, so it's very likely that he'll go unclaimed. If that happens, then the Oilers plan to reassign Granlund to the AHL.

Also Manning was waived.

Per Roto World

Not at all. Botts definitely hasnt won every trade, probably 1/2 of them.

We were in dead last place less than a season and 1/2 ago.

It takes time.

You just keep bashing him, with no credit for what he has done.

Joker trade
Skinner trade
Signing eichel for cheap
Keeping Sam's salary down
Building rochester
Handling olofsson and asplund properly
Hiring Krieger
Firing housley quickly
Protecting ullmark
The montour trade

It's not all gmtms fault or jbotts fault
- Boss34

I'll buy that. Solid post. Still dont trust him to evaluate forwards. He's not good at that and that's what the Sabres need

So what was Botts offer for Carter? I'm assuming the Kings were happy w what he was offering, if it got to the point where Carter said "no".
- Powerslave

No offer just talking, i'm sure Mitts was talked about but that was early in the season.

All of your theories about Botterill revolve around secret and covert tank jobs, which is pretty sweet for him. He's always doing his job well when his job is to suck
- jcragcrumple

Have a good night

I see your in a unreasonable mood.

I think some of the players should be blaimed. Sure botts brought them in, but they haven't played well either.

Edmonton has waived Markus Granlund.
Granlund has three goals and four points in 31 contests this season. He comes with a $1.3 million cap hit, so it's very likely that he'll go unclaimed. If that happens, then the Oilers plan to reassign Granlund to the AHL.

Also Manning was waived.

Per Roto World
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He had one decent year for Vancouver, if I remember correctly. Former 2nd round pick.

Not at all. Botts definitely hasnt won every trade, probably 1/2 of them.

We were in dead last place less than a season and 1/2 ago.

It takes time.

You just keep bashing him, with no credit for what he has done.

Joker trade
Skinner trade
Signing eichel for cheap
Keeping Sam's salary down
Building rochester
Handling olofsson and asplund properly
Hiring Krieger
Firing housley quickly
Protecting ullmark
The montour trade

It's not all gmtms fault or jbotts fault
- Boss34

Folks need to remember, Murray was told to " move this along" and he did. Not defending Murray.

I'll buy that. Solid post. Still dont trust him to evaluate forwards. He's not good at that and that's what the Sabres need
- jcragcrumple

Fair enough 🤝👍

I feel bad for people who desperately want Botterill fired. It just isn’t happening any time soon. Maybe halfway through next year if things look bad

He had one decent year for Vancouver, if I remember correctly. Former 2nd round pick.
- Powerslave

I just seen it, they want to make changes as well, he would do nothing to help. Just thought I would mention it, nothing to it.

No offer just talking, i'm sure Mitts was talked about but that was early in the season.
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I would hope he could do better than Carter, if Mitts was involved. Kid is far from a bust. He was just "Mitts"handled.

There's still time to get the career back on track.

Edmonton has waived Markus Granlund.
Granlund has three goals and four points in 31 contests this season. He comes with a $1.3 million cap hit, so it's very likely that he'll go unclaimed. If that happens, then the Oilers plan to reassign Granlund to the AHL.

Also Manning was waived.

Per Roto World
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If they can’t make Edmonton whose depth is worse then ours, then they are finished.

I would hope he could do better than Carter, if Mitts was involved. Kid is far from a bust. He was just "Mitts"handled.

There's still time to get the career back on track.
- Powerslave

Toffoli was in the talk as well, so it would be more to it.

Folks need to remember, Murray was told to " move this along" and he did. Not defending Murray.
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Definitely, and I admit I was all for winning then. I liked the trades for both ror and ek9 ( to buffalo).

Sure he gave up a ton, but I liked tmgm.

I've learned and so have the pegulas.
They knew who botts is/was when they hired him.

Patient. Very patient and also:
A good employee who isnt gonna sink the ship or run his mouth and embarrass the franchise

I'm not a Mitts fan, I would trade him in a second.

Definitely, and I admit I was all for winning then. I liked the trades for both ror and ek9 ( to buffalo).

Sure he gave up a ton, but I liked tmgm.

I've learned and so have the pegulas.
They knew who botts is/was when they hired him.

Patient. Very patient and also:
A good employee who isnt gonna sink the ship or run his mouth and embarrass the franchise
- Boss34

You ever wonder why Murray never smiled ? think about it. He was on the line because of what he was told to do.

I'm not a Mitts fan, I would trade him in a second.
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He has been terrible in Rochester too ......

I'm not a Mitts fan, I would trade him in a second.
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I wouldn't give him away, though.

He has been terrible in Rochester too ......
- Sabretooth9

It's been 4 games.

I wouldn't give him away, though.
- Powerslave

Won't have to, there are other teams that will take him and take there time with him.

Toffoli was in the talk as well, so it would be more to it.
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Any word on miles wood? Heard he's available.
Born in buffalo, scrappy. Upgrade over a few scrubs.

How about the kid from eden that plays for la?
Iaffalo?

It's been 4 games.
- Powerslave

I get that ..... he has a long way to go

You ever wonder why Murray never smiled ? think about it. He was on the line because of what he was told to do.
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From what I heard, more responsibility was piled on him with the patty la la break up.

More of a scout, in over his head for gmtm