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NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Dec 15 @ 9:39 PM ET
Do you think there is a huge difference between BB and KC? Stats are quite similar.

What makes KC’s game so much better than Brock’s that it would make a trade scenario unlikely?

- bloatedmosquito




BB plays soooft
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Dec 15 @ 9:39 PM ET
You are saying Boeser does not play an all around game? How closely do you watch the games? Pay a little more attention to Boeser's play. I didnt absolve JB but i made good counter arguments for all of those 8 points. Please counter them. Sutter has not been good when healthy? You not happy with the base JB has built (BB, Petey, Hughes, Demko). He has made mistakes but the plus' more than outweigh the negatives.
- banksy91


I watch every game, Brock's defensive play is consistent. Of course you can pick out p0lays and games where he's engaged and backchecking, but the problem is that you can also pick out plays and games where Brock isn't moving his feet defensively and gets caught puck watching or just waving his stick, you're not watching the games if you haven't seen that.


You did not make good counter arguments. Sutter's been inconsistent with good and bad play, he has stretches where he looks like a solid defensive center and then other stretches where he looks slow and can't generate any secondary offense. And McCann is already better than him offensively and would be a top 5 scorer on this Canuck roster and top 5 in hits amongst Canuck forwards too.

The base is solid, but that's not what my original post was about, it was about that one year stretch where he made a lot of mistakes, just using generic statements and say that they weren't mistakes is not something I can counter, because saying things like "no other options every GM has those mistakes, etc" is not a valid defense.
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Dec 15 @ 9:40 PM ET
Thanks Carol

TBH I thought the podcast of Bieksa Kesler was mind numbing. I listened to the first 15 minutes and found out Kes's big frozen Xmas tree was a pain in the ass. They both think that Nate McKinnon is a very good hockey player and is underpaid (mind blowing).

Kes also thought he gave a slightly below average discount to the Canucks.

I could not go any further. It was like someone telling me the sky is blue.

CLICK.

- VANTEL

These interviews are often a bunch of nonsense. What's the point of even publishing an interview like that?
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Dec 15 @ 9:40 PM ET
Do you think there is a huge difference between BB and KC? Stats are quite similar.

What makes KC’s game so much better than Brock’s that it would make a trade scenario unlikely?

- bloatedmosquito


You're the one who wants KC for Brock so tell me

The same reasons why you want to make the deal are the same reasons why I'll all you Winnipeg will say no

Now if you wanna propose Boeser + for KC then it makes sense since you think KC is a better player.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Dec 15 @ 9:42 PM ET
You don't trade Boeser...you find ways to support him.
- LordHumungous

Needs offseason work on his skating & edge work.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 15 @ 9:43 PM ET
If Benning re-signs Marky #teamwhiner will have fuel for years lol
- LordHumungous

I'm getting annoyed at Benning for keeping TG for so long.

If they are re-signing Markstrom, I want a first round pick for Demko.
banksy91
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.29.2013

Dec 15 @ 9:45 PM ET
I watch every game, Brock's defensive play is consistent. Of course you can pick out p0lays and games where he's engaged and backchecking, but the problem is that you can also pick out plays and games where Brock isn't moving his feet defensively and gets caught puck watching or just waving his stick, you're not watching the games if you haven't seen that.


You did not make good counter arguments. Sutter's been inconsistent with good and bad play, he has stretches where he looks like a solid defensive center and then other stretches where he looks slow and can't generate any secondary offense. And McCann is already better than him offensively and would be a top 5 scorer on this Canuck roster and top 5 in hits amongst Canuck forwards too.

The base is solid, but that's not what my original post was about, it was about that one year stretch where he made a lot of mistakes, just using generic statements and say that they weren't mistakes is not something I can counter, because saying things like "no other options every GM has those mistakes, etc" is not a valid defense.

- Nucker101


The strong base is what really matters. Just need to let that base grow together now. If you examine the records of every GM, they ALL make mistakes in trades or signings. No GM hits 100%. So, yes you can single out his mistakes but i could counter with a number of good signings and good trades. The base fails he is gone. Too soon to make that decision is all I'm saying.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Dec 15 @ 9:48 PM ET
I don't think any other team's D is nervous about the Canucks forecheck. Outside of Motte, Schaller, and Rous, no one hits.

I've been fine with Green, but think he needs to get canned at this end of this year.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Dec 15 @ 9:50 PM ET
Needs offseason work on his skating & edge work.
- Nighthawk

manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 15 @ 9:50 PM ET
I don't think any other team's D is nervous about the Canucks forecheck. Outside of Motte, Schaller, and Rous, no one hits.

I've been fine with Green, but think he needs to get canned at this end of this year.

- NewYorkNuck

Very impressive candidate got fired not long ago.

Regardless, DeBoer has been an excellent coach, who has put up an impressive record of 415-329-111 record throughout 11+ seasons with San Jose, New Jersey and Florida and has taken the Sharks to the playoffs all four years he’s been with the franchise, which included a Stanley Cup Finals appearance in 2015-16.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Dec 15 @ 9:52 PM ET
I don't think any other team's D is nervous about the Canucks forecheck. Outside of Motte, Schaller, and Rous, no one hits.

I've been fine with Green, but think he needs to get canned at this end of this year.

- NewYorkNuck


Imagine if Benning poached Cassidy from the Bruins AHL club before Julien got fired
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Dec 15 @ 9:52 PM ET
I don't think any other team's D is nervous about the Canucks forecheck. Outside of Motte, Schaller, and Rous, no one hits.

I've been fine with Green, but think he needs to get canned at this end of this year.

- NewYorkNuck

In 2 1/2 weeks or the end of the season?
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Dec 15 @ 9:52 PM ET
Very impressive candidate got fired not long ago.
- manvanfan

A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Dec 15 @ 9:53 PM ET
Imagine if Benning poached Cassidy from the Bruins AHL club before Julien got fired
- Nucker101

Imagine if Benning knew how to do his job.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 15 @ 9:54 PM ET

- Nucker101

"who me"

"ya you"
banksy91
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.29.2013

Dec 15 @ 9:56 PM ET

- Nucker101


The coach is not the problem. Why doe eveyone think a coach fired by San Jose given their poor play is the solution? The team is young and they are showing it. I don't think any other coach would do better with this mix.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Dec 15 @ 9:57 PM ET

- Nucker101


Those things behind the glass look impressive too
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Dec 15 @ 10:00 PM ET

- Nucker101



If that was VHG he would be running through the glass
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Linden4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Dec 15 @ 10:01 PM ET
Kind of used his name as an example.

I have not contacted the Jets to see if they are interested. I guess I should have done that before posting.

- bloatedmosquito

No sh!t
NuckUp
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cap Busters
Joined: 07.01.2019

Dec 15 @ 10:02 PM ET
Maybe we know why Green was so "pissed off" last night he knew after such a push against Sharks the team wouldn't have enough against Vegas.

Seems a lot like the Stars away game where Canucks were stumbling in a hole the whole game.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 15 @ 10:02 PM ET
The coach is not the problem. Why doe eveyone think a coach fired by San Jose given their poor play is the solution? The team is young and they are showing it. I don't think any other coach would do better with this mix.
- banksy91

LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Dec 15 @ 10:02 PM ET
I'm getting annoyed at Benning for keeping TG for so long.

If they are re-signing Markstrom, I want a first round pick for Demko.

- manvanfan

You had to know Green was gonna get 2-3 years at the minimum.

Marky is never gonna be a no 1...that much is evident. I thought he was close but it's not to be.

Demko needs to be coached properly and developed at this level.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 15 @ 10:03 PM ET
Maybe we know why Green was so "pissed off" last night he knew after such a push against Sharks the team wouldn't have enough against Vegas.

Seems a lot like the Stars away game where Canucks were stumbling in a hole the whole game.

- NuckUp

Is it over yet?
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Linden4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Dec 15 @ 10:04 PM ET
You don't trade Boeser...you find ways to support him.
- LordHumungous

For a flatlander who doesn’t have anything intelligent to say this is surprisingly true
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Dec 15 @ 10:05 PM ET
I watch every game, Brock's defensive play is consistent. Of course you can pick out p0lays and games where he's engaged and backchecking, but the problem is that you can also pick out plays and games where Brock isn't moving his feet defensively and gets caught puck watching or just waving his stick, you're not watching the games if you haven't seen that.


You did not make good counter arguments. Sutter's been inconsistent with good and bad play, he has stretches where he looks like a solid defensive center and then other stretches where he looks slow and can't generate any secondary offense. And McCann is already better than him offensively and would be a top 5 scorer on this Canuck roster and top 5 in hits amongst Canuck forwards too.

The base is solid, but that's not what my original post was about, it was about that one year stretch where he made a lot of mistakes, just using generic statements and say that they weren't mistakes is not something I can counter, because saying things like "no other options every GM has those mistakes, etc" is not a valid defense.

- Nucker101


Nice Blog
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