I’d put a lot of blame on JC. He is trying to run a defensive system with the wrong personnel. He also (or the front office) tried to implement a dump and chase system doesn’t suit the style of half the forwards. Sure the vets complained but a coach’s #1 job is to maximize player talent not force you players to play a system that doesn’t. Plus the system itself is complete garbage.

I’d also really like to know who didn’t want Joki here. He played while Q was here and then was benched and then sent down with JC. I doubt the front office soured on him. Nylander might be a good top 6 wing but he isn’t anything special. You don’t send a potential top 4 D for what will likely be an average top 6 point scorer who brings nothing else.
- bhawks2241

That trade doesn’t look good now and may never look good. Nylander showed some flashes at times, so all you can do is hope it all comes together for him at some point.

Would hate for him to do it elsewhere to the point this place is littered with posts about how we let Nylavendar get away, like we did with Oyster, Hino, Duclair, Jurco...

I’d put a lot of blame on JC. He is trying to run a defensive system with the wrong personnel. He also (or the front office) tried to implement a dump and chase system doesn’t suit the style of half the forwards. Sure the vets complained but a coach’s #1 job is to maximize player talent not force you players to play a system that doesn’t. Plus the system itself is complete garbage.

I’d also really like to know who didn’t want Joki here. He played while Q was here and then was benched and then sent down with JC. I doubt the front office soured on him. Nylander might be a good top 6 wing but he isn’t anything special. You don’t send a potential top 4 D for what will likely be an average top 6 point scorer who brings nothing else.
- bhawks2241

None of this is a reason players with championship pedigree should decide it is time to coast.

That trade doesn’t look good now and may never look good. Nylander showed some flashes at times, so all you can do is hope it all comes together for him at some point.

Would hate for him to do it elsewhere to the point this place is ittered with posts about how we let Nylavendar get away, like we did with Oyster, Hino, Duclair, Jurco...
- HawkintheD

I see what you did there, you sly dog, you.

None of this is a reason players with championship pedigree should decide it is time to coast.
- mohel

Are they coasting or do they just not have anything left? I hope they aren’t coasting. That tarnishes their legacy if it’s true. At least in my opinion.

Coasting is Seabs top speed these days and Toews just can’t do the heavy lifting anymore.

That trade doesn’t look good now and may never look good. Nylander showed some flashes at times, so all you can do is hope it all comes together for him at some point.

Would hate for him to do it elsewhere to the point this place is ittered with posts about how we let Nylavendar get away, like we did with Oyster, Hino, Duclair, Jurco...
- HawkintheD

Well we would have a bit more speed with those 4 and probably in last place too. Win win really.

That trade doesn’t look good now and may never look good. Nylander showed some flashes at times, so all you can do is hope it all comes together for him at some point.

Would hate for him to do it elsewhere to the point this place is ittered with posts about how we let Nylavendar get away, like we did with Oyster, Hino, Duclair, Jurco...
- HawkintheD

They don’t have to let him get away yet - let him do some development in Rockford for a while.

He’s been given every chance up here - top line, bottom six - hasn’t shown any improvement after 30 games. He should welcome a chance for another chance at this point - go to Rockford, focus, learn, work on what he doesn’t do well, hopefully return (next season?) a true NHL-level talent.

Of course, the coaches at Rockford seem not to have proven able to develop talent yet - perhaps sending down a young man coaching in Chicago to help them....

Are they coasting or do they just not have anything left? I hope they aren’t coasting. That tarnishes their legacy if it’s true. At least in my opinion.

Coasting is Seabs top speed these days and Toews just can’t do the heavy lifting anymore.
- bhawks2241

Agree don't think they are coasting . I think Seabs and Toews just don't have it anymore , they have played a lot of hard hockey and Toews in particular took a lot of abuse. I believe they have too much pride to coast.

Well we would have a bit more speed with those 4 and probably in last place too. Win win really.
- bhawks2241

So just a different shade of lipstick for the pig?

I fear that all we get is a coaching change...

...and that simply isn't enough at this point.
- ArlingtonRob

You’re right because Colliton isn’t coaching, he’s never had free reign. He’s just a puppet.

You’re right because Colliton isn’t coaching, he’s never had free reign. He’s just a puppet.
- walleyeb1

Yeah, well, puppets are incapable of doing anything by themselves unless someone’s hand is up their ass...that does seem to be Colliton....

Agree don't think they are coasting . I think Seabs and Toews just don't have it anymore , they have played a lot of hard hockey and Toews in particular took a lot of abuse. I believe they have too much pride to coast.
- HamiltonHawk

Seabs postgame was sad to watch, thought he was going to breakdown and cry. You can see he cares, his body just won’t do what his heart wants him to.

Toews on the other hand just doesn’t appear to give a crap.

People on Twitter saying just rip the bandage off and fire Colliton. I’m not sure they’d like what they find if they did. I’m afraid we’ll find either a deeply infected puss filled wound, or even worse there’s nothing under the bandage at all.

I only watched until it was 3-1 so it was and was not a surprise when I saw the final score this morning.

I started the season with cautious optimism but yea, they're toast for this year and the issues with this team are many. From upper management to scouting to coaching to the players on the ice. Aside from brief periods when the player or move has looked great, the overall product is junk.

My recommendation (not that anyone cares) is Rocky tells Stan and JC that they can both spend some extra time with their families over the holidays and don't bother coming in Monday.

Designate an interim coach and GM with strict instructions to ask those with M-NMCs for their list of teams. Send a group email to those with full NMCs that if they want out, let them know and they'll see want can be done. Everyone else on the team is available aside from maybe Dach and Boqvist.

The trade criteria is picks and high level prospects in return. No former 1st rounders with untapped potential, no garbage contracts unless it expires in 2020.

Fill out the team with piggies and play out the string.

Hopefully the the eventual GM and HC chosen will be on the same page and they can start constructing a team looks like they know what they are doing for a full 60 minutes.

Apparently, Boqvist hasn’t been released to play, either, Greenfield reports.

Seems to mean he’s here for the rest of the season - Gustafsson trade coming?
- StLBravesFan

The Hawk management simply doesn't want to confuse the young Boqvist and Dach with different coaching systems then what they're being taught at the NHL level.

It may stunt their development.

I only watched until it was 3-1 so it was and was not a surprise when I saw the final score this morning.

I started the season with cautious optimism but yea, they're toast for this year and the issues with this team are many. From upper management to scouting to coaching to the players on the ice. Aside from brief periods when the player or move has looked great, the overall product is junk.

My recommendation (not that anyone cares) is Rocky tells Stan and JC that they can both spend some extra time with their families over the holidays and don't bother coming in Monday.

Designate an interim coach and GM with strict instructions to ask those with M-NMCs for their list of teams. Send a group email to those with full NMCs that if they want out, let them know and they'll see want can be done. Everyone else on the team is available aside from maybe Dach and Boqvist.

The trade criteria is picks and high level prospects in return. No former 1st rounders with untapped potential, no garbage contracts unless it expires in 2020.

Fill out the team with piggies and play out the string.

Hopefully the the eventual GM and HC chosen will be on the same page and they can start constructing a team looks like they know what they are doing for a full 60 minutes.
- Rota's Rooter

They are not going anywhere until McDonut is shown the door. He is not a modern day leader, more of an old school rule by fear micromanager. And is side kick is a joke as well. There is not a GM that is accomplished that will work for McDonut...they will have to find an up and comer who will agree to anything to get a shot unless Johnny boy is shown the door...a full reset is needed.

Are they coasting or do they just not have anything left? I hope they aren’t coasting. That tarnishes their legacy if it’s true. At least in my opinion.

Coasting is Seabs top speed these days and Toews just can’t do the heavy lifting anymore.
- bhawks2241

Good questions. I think Seabs isn't quick enough, Kane is fine, Keith still pretty good, Toews seems preoccupied. But those are guesses because I'm not there.

I was not a fan of whining to the principal that the teacher is being mean to us. I wouldn't have thought those guys would do that. You're getting paid big money - play your ass off in whatever system the team wants.

The Hawk management simply doesn't want to confuse the young Boqvist and Dach with different coaching systems then what they're being taught at the NHL level.

It may stunt their development.
- Rota's Rooter

Players in the Show apparently aren’t receiving releases for the tournament - Jack Hughes and Kappo Kakko aren’t going either.

They are not going anywhere until McDonut is shown the door. He is not a modern day leader, more of an old school rule by fear micromanager. And is side kick is a joke as well. There is not a GM that is accomplished that will work for McDonut...they will have to find an up and comer who will agree to anything to get a shot unless Johnny boy is shown the door...a full reset is needed.
- ElkgroveMcD

Seriously - do you have sources for any of this? Or just extrapolations from the “Shovelface” and McDonut attacks on boards like this?

You’re right because Colliton isn’t coaching, he’s never had free reign. He’s just a puppet.
- walleyeb1

I think this is true. He's doing what the front office says to do.

100% he has to go. We need a hockey guy in charge.
- gifman

Totally.

I think this is true. He's doing what the front office says to do.
- mohel

Unless he says that outright, we'll not know, of course, but it was telling that StanBo said in his 1/4 season state-of-the-team update to one of the in-house podcasts that he meets with the coaching staff every day to discuss and agree on tactics, lines, etc. That micromanagement may explain why JC went from a seemingly confident guy able to pull a lot out of a horrible roster last year to one who seems to have no passion or life behind the bench or in his interviews.

Murdoch wasn't that bad ... he only got moved on because Keenan became available.
- SC116

Murdoch's record for his one season as HC was 30-41-9. Think he belongs on the list. Lol.

They are not going anywhere until McDonut is shown the door. He is not a modern day leader, more of an old school rule by fear micromanager. And is side kick is a joke as well. There is not a GM that is accomplished that will work for McDonut...they will have to find an up and comer who will agree to anything to get a shot unless Johnny boy is shown the door...a full reset is needed.
- ElkgroveMcD

Sorry. I don't buy the whole Illuminati-like conspiracy with McD. He's a marketing guy more concerned with how cheaply he can get another shipping container of bobble-heads for his next promotion.

Players in the Show apparently aren’t receiving releases for the tournament - Jack Hughes and Kappo Kakko aren’t going either.
- StLBravesFan

Bettman?

Unless he says that outright, we'll not know, of course, but it was telling that StanBo said in his 1/4 season state-of-the-team update to one of the in-house podcasts that he meets with the coaching staff every day to discuss and agree on tactics, lines, etc. That micromanagement may explain why JC went from a seemingly confident guy able to pull a lot out of a horrible roster last year to one who seems to have no passion or life behind the bench or in his interviews.
- pdx2ord

Could very well be the case. The Hawks are a tightly managed organization. Stan and McD are huge planners who both know exactly what's going on everywhere. I believe they have a rebuilding plan that went into effect when Q was fired, and that Stan has been given the keys to the car to execute the plan- if they didn't trust Stan to do it, he would've been whacked the same day.

I only watched until it was 3-1 so it was and was not a surprise when I saw the final score this morning.

I started the season with cautious optimism but yea, they're toast for this year and the issues with this team are many. From upper management to scouting to coaching to the players on the ice. Aside from brief periods when the player or move has looked great, the overall product is junk.

My recommendation (not that anyone cares) is Rocky tells Stan and JC that they can both spend some extra time with their families over the holidays and don't bother coming in Monday.

Designate an interim coach and GM with strict instructions to ask those with M-NMCs for their list of teams. Send a group email to those with full NMCs that if they want out, let them know and they'll see want can be done. Everyone else on the team is available aside from maybe Dach and Boqvist.

The trade criteria is picks and high level prospects in return. No former 1st rounders with untapped potential, no garbage contracts unless it expires in 2020.

Fill out the team with piggies and play out the string.

Hopefully the the eventual GM and HC chosen will be on the same page and they can start constructing a team looks like they know what they are doing for a full 60 minutes.
- Rota's Rooter

I would do it slightly different. I would replace McDonough immediately with a hockey guy (Hextall), and let him evaluate the rest of the front office for the remainder of the year, and then make appropriate changes, similar to what the Flyers did last year.