He doesn't like when you use logic to debunk stats.

"Sign David Clarkson. He scored 30 goals last season."

"Should we look into the stats at all?"

"Nah, just sign him."

-Nonis
- Santo_44

matthews = ovechkin because matthews scores less pp goals.

got it.

He doesn't like when you use logic to debunk stats.

"Sign David Clarkson. He scored 30 goals last season."

"Should we look into the stats at all?"

"Nah, just sign him."

-Nonis
- Santo_44

i debunked a myth just now. gretzky and lemiux actually sucked. too many points per game

1 Wayne Gretzky 1.921
2 Mario Lemieux 1.883
3 Mike Bossy 1.497
4 Bobby Orr 1.393
5 Marcel Dionne 1.314
6 Sidney Crosby 1.284
7 Peter Stastny 1.268
8 Peter Forsberg 1.25
9 Kent Nilsson 1.241
10 Phil Esposito 1.24
11 Guy Lafleur 1.202
12 Joe Sakic 1.191
13 Dale Hawerchuk 1.186
14 Evgeni Malkin 1.18
15 Pat Lafontaine 1.171
16 Steve Yzerman 1.159
17 Eric Lindros 1.138
18 Bernie Federko 1.13
19 Denis Savard 1.119
20 Jari Kurri 1.118
21 Bryan Trottier 1.114
22 Alexander Ovechkin 1.114

Auston is great and I am glad he is a Leaf

the same bloody site. how goals for doesn't = goals against is beyond me.

but the scoring rates are essentially the same now as they were then.

Rk Season Lg GP G GAA
1 2019-20 NHL 498 3.01 2.81
2 2018-19 NHL 1271 3.01 2.81
3 2017-18 NHL 1271 2.97 2.78
4 2016-17 NHL 1230 2.77 2.59
5 2015-16 NHL 1230 2.71 2.51
6 2014-15 NHL 1230 2.73 2.52
7 2013-14 NHL 1230 2.74 2.56
8 2012-13 NHL 720 2.72 2.54
9 2011-12 NHL 1230 2.73 2.54
10 2010-11 NHL 1230 2.79 2.61
11 2009-10 NHL 1230 2.84 2.66
12 2008-09 NHL 1230 2.91 2.73
13 2007-08 NHL 1230 2.78 2.61
14 2006-07 NHL 1230 2.95 2.77
15 2005-06 NHL 1230 3.08 2.92
16 2003-04 NHL 1230 2.57 2.46
17 2002-03 NHL 1230 2.65 2.54
18 2001-02 NHL 1230 2.62 2.51
19 2000-01 NHL 1230 2.76 2.65
20 1999-00 NHL 1148 2.75 2.64
- Tumbleweed

The stats I pull out are

Ovi's rookie year

3.10 GPG
.901 SV%
1.03 PPG

Matthews rookie year

2.77 GPG
9.13 SV%
0.57 PPG

I agree its only points
people will say Nylander has great underlying data. ignore point

and they will come back with, but he only scored 27 points

really it goes both ways. But players get paid mostly based on points.
- senstroll

Absolutely, I agree. And i personally prefer Nylander over Coyle.

However, I do see the logic about the Leafs needing more Coyle and less Nylander in a broader sense.

Keep Matthews, Marner, Snakes, Nylander, Hyman, Kapanen, Andersen, Rielly and Dermott. Keep Engvall and Mikheyev if you want too.

Ship the rest of the poop out and replace with primarily low-event, defensively sound players. I don't care if any of the rest crack 30 points or not.

Need to trade Muzzin and Barrie before the deadline to recuperate some of the assets. Kadri, Rosen, Grundstrom, Durzi and a 1st for 7 playoff games was increadily short sighted.

i debunked a myth just now. gretzky and lemiux actually sucked. too many points per game

1 Wayne Gretzky 1.921
2 Mario Lemieux 1.883
3 Mike Bossy 1.497
4 Bobby Orr 1.393
5 Marcel Dionne 1.314
6 Sidney Crosby 1.284
7 Peter Stastny 1.268
8 Peter Forsberg 1.25
9 Kent Nilsson 1.241
10 Phil Esposito 1.24
11 Guy Lafleur 1.202
12 Joe Sakic 1.191
13 Dale Hawerchuk 1.186
14 Evgeni Malkin 1.18
15 Pat Lafontaine 1.171
16 Steve Yzerman 1.159
17 Eric Lindros 1.138
18 Bernie Federko 1.13
19 Denis Savard 1.119
20 Jari Kurri 1.118
21 Bryan Trottier 1.114
22 Alexander Ovechkin 1.114
- Tumbleweed

?

matthews = ovechkin because matthews scores less pp goals.

got it.
- Tumbleweed

Fun fact

Matthews has a higher PPG/60 than Ovi in the past 3 seasons.

It must of been fun for Ovi in his first season where we had a lot more PPs.

Absolutely, I agree. And i personally prefer Nylander over Coyle.

However, I do see the logic about the Leafs needing more Coyle and less Nylander in a broader sense.

Keep Matthews, Marner, Snakes, Nylander, Hyman, Kapanen, Andersen, Rielly and Dermott. Keep Engvall and Mikheyev if you want too.

Ship the rest of the poop out and replace with primarily low-event, defensively sound players. I don't care if any of the rest crack 30 points or not.

Need to trade Muzzin and Barrie before the deadline to recuperate some of the assets. Kadri, Rosen, Grundstrom, Durzi and a 1st for 7 playoff games was increadily short sighted.
- walshyleafsfan

Id trade Kap
imo he is the one you could get the best return for whatever else you need.

and he does not provide any of the grit or other things fans want or see thats missing. his PK would be missed if they didnt find a suitable replacment though

dufus.

signs players to contracts like we're back in edmonton circa 2012.

expects his starter to play 75 games we're back in new jersey circa 2003.

but he has a lot of great new ideas that are paying dividends in the standings.
- Tumbleweed

sigh...

Id trade Kap
imo he is the one you could get the best return for whatever else you need.

and he does not provide any of the grit or other things fans want or see thats missing. his PK would be missed if they didnt find a suitable replacment though
- senstroll

Kapanen is one of the grittiest players on this team.
All relative - I know - but still..

Kapanen is one of the grittiest players on this team.
All relative - I know - but still..
- MaximusAurelius

Don't agree...



But yeah, all those dumb forward X + Prospect for Defensmen Y trade suggestions we see from Leaf fans could actually be legitimately possible with Kapanen.

Given that Friedman has said on multiple occasions there is a large market for him.

Don't agree...



But yeah, all those dumb forward X + Prospect for Defensmen Y trade suggestions we see from Leaf fans could actually be legitimately possible with Kapanen.

Given that Friedman has said on multiple occasions there is a large market for him.
- Santo_44

2nd grittiest, Muzz has the most I’d say...no?

i debunked a myth just now. gretzky and lemiux actually sucked. too many points per game

1 Wayne Gretzky 1.921
2 Mario Lemieux 1.883
3 Mike Bossy 1.497
4 Bobby Orr 1.393
5 Marcel Dionne 1.314
6 Sidney Crosby 1.284
7 Peter Stastny 1.268
8 Peter Forsberg 1.25
9 Kent Nilsson 1.241
10 Phil Esposito 1.24
11 Guy Lafleur 1.202
12 Joe Sakic 1.191
13 Dale Hawerchuk 1.186
14 Evgeni Malkin 1.18
15 Pat Lafontaine 1.171
16 Steve Yzerman 1.159
17 Eric Lindros 1.138
18 Bernie Federko 1.13
19 Denis Savard 1.119
20 Jari Kurri 1.118
21 Bryan Trottier 1.114
22 Alexander Ovechkin 1.114
- Tumbleweed

23-25ish: (1.108)

Id trade Kap
imo he is the one you could get the best return for whatever else you need.

and he does not provide any of the grit or other things fans want or see thats missing. his PK would be missed if they didnt find a suitable replacment though
- senstroll

Should have traded Willie for Dougie Hamilton

I know, I’ve said it before

Should have traded Willie for Dougie Hamilton

I know, I’ve said it before
- Garnie

yeah but he likes museums, and apparently he isn't a 'team guy'.
we can only have one puzzle-guy on the team...

yeah but he likes museums, and apparently he isn't a 'team guy'.
we can only have one puzzle-guy on the team...
- MaximusAurelius

I don’t like puzzles

I don’t like puzzles
- Garnie

so you're not a Gauthier fan?

Should have traded Willie for Dougie Hamilton

I know, I’ve said it before
- Garnie

I feel like we would of ran him out of town by now.

I feel like we would of ran him out of town by now.
- Santo_44

Oh it's coming.

Or did you mean Hamilton?

2nd grittiest, Muzz has the most I’d say...no?
- Garnie

I don't really know how to measure grittiness...

Hard on pucks? I don't know I'd say Hyman. Johnnson and Kap are both pretty good along the boards.

Muzzin? He hits a lot. I think I'd rather have Holl battling for pucks though...

Should have traded Willie for Dougie Hamilton

I know, I’ve said it before
- Garnie

Id trade Rielly before Willie

Kap and Rielly for Jones

Oh it's coming.

Or did you mean Hamilton?
- Scabeh

Hamilton

He'd probably cry a few times in front of the media

Id trade Rielly before Willie

Kap and Rielly for Jones
- senstroll

Nah Rielly is a keeper.

Just have to find someone to play with him.

I don't really know how to measure grittiness...

Hard on pucks? I don't know I'd say Hyman. Johnnson and Kap are both pretty good along the boards.

Muzzin? He hits a lot. I think I'd rather have Holl battling for pucks though...
- Santo_44

reading the replies I have no clue

it means something different for each fan.

Kap just skates fast and doesnt mesh well with the linemates.

Id trade Rielly before Willie

Kap and Rielly for Jones
- senstroll

two
one for each remark