ok Ill explain his stats....

Matthews is scoring 1.03 pts/GP makes 11.6 million a year

Evgeny Kunzetsov is scoring 1.03 pts/GP makes 7.8 million a year
Jake Guentzel is scoring 1.03 pts/GP makes 6 million a year
Patrice Bergeron is scoring 1.08 pts/GP makes 6.9 million a year
Mika Zibanejad is scoring 1.06 pts/GP makes 5.3 million a year

Mitch Marner is scoring 1.09 pts/GP makes 10.9 million a year

Two of these things are not like the others.
You guys need to stop accepting mediocrity




- ThundernLightning

Now do goals

nah.

he probably just drives with it on the whole time without knowing.
- Tumbleweed

That poop drives me nuts

Now do goals
- Santo_44

As we tell the kids, an assist is as good as a goal.

As we tell the kids, an assist is as good as a goal.


- Garnie

Reality is going to his those kids hard

answer me this.

what good is it having +$40M in players to put on the ice during a PP if you don't get any PP's?
- Tumbleweed

We just need to worry about our end a little more, the wins should start to pile up.

Nylander wandering across the ice to stand beside 2 other Leafs is a prime example...and it’s not just him.

ok Ill explain his stats....

Matthews is scoring 1.03 pts/GP makes 11.6 million a year

Evgeny Kunzetsov is scoring 1.03 pts/GP makes 7.8 million a year
Jake Guentzel is scoring 1.03 pts/GP makes 6 million a year
Patrice Bergeron is scoring 1.08 pts/GP makes 6.9 million a year
Mika Zibanejad is scoring 1.06 pts/GP makes 5.3 million a year

Mitch Marner is scoring 1.09 pts/GP makes 10.9 million a year

Two of these things are not like the others.
You guys need to stop accepting mediocrity




- ThundernLightning

I never looked at it this way, now I am totally pissed!

answer me this.

what good is it having +$40M in players to put on the ice during a PP if you don't get any PP's?
- Tumbleweed

And this:

What good is it having +$40M in players to put on the ice during a PP, and when they get a 5 on 3 chance to get back in the game, stand around straight legged like a bunch of novice house leaguers?

Reality is going to his those kids hard
- Santo_44

What passing the puck and scoring more goals is going to be hard? I doubt it.

I guess if you pass it to William Whiff it wouldn’t be a good idea.

answer me this.

what good is it having +$40M in players to put on the ice during a PP if you don't get any PP's?
- Tumbleweed

That's our big equalizer. Be rough with us all you want, we'll punish you on the PP.

Stolen from HFBoards, pretty crazy stat:

Leafs record versus non-playoff teams .. 8-2
Leafs record versus current playoff teams .... 7-16
- walshyleafsfan

You're cherry picking your stats a bit.

Their record since Keefe took over:

Leafs record versus non-playoff teams .. 1-0
Leafs record versus current playoff teams .... 5-4

22 of their remaining 49 games are against teams currently in the Playoffs.

Using that pace, if they go 12-10 against Playoff teams and 22-5 against non-playoff teams, that's 34-15, which puts them at 102 points.

I don't expect them to fare that well against non-playoff teams, but I also don't expect them to fare that poorly against playoff teams.

You're cherry picking your stats a bit.

Their record since Keefe took over:

Leafs record versus non-playoff teams .. 1-0
Leafs record versus current playoff teams .... 5-4

22 of their remaining 49 games are against teams currently in the Playoffs.

Using that pace, if they go 12-10 against Playoff teams and 22-5 against non-playoff teams, that's 34-15, which puts them at 102 points.

I don't expect them to fare that well against non-playoff teams, but I also don't expect them to fare that poorly against playoff teams.
- Monkeypunk

He always does that.

But agreed here

What passing the puck and scoring more goals is going to be hard? I doubt it.

I guess if you pass it to William Whiff it wouldn’t be a good idea.
- Garnie

Goal scoring pays.

You're cherry picking your stats a bit.

Their record since Keefe took over:

Leafs record versus non-playoff teams .. 1-0
Leafs record versus current playoff teams .... 5-4

22 of their remaining 49 games are against teams currently in the Playoffs.

Using that pace, if they go 12-10 against Playoff teams and 22-5 against non-playoff teams, that's 34-15, which puts them at 102 points.

I don't expect them to fare that well against non-playoff teams, but I also don't expect them to fare that poorly against playoff teams.
- Monkeypunk

Pardon?

I also just took it from HFBoards. Didn't look into it myself

I cherry picked the 2019/20 season.

You broadly picked 10 games?

You're cherry picking your stats a bit.

Their record since Keefe took over:

Leafs record versus non-playoff teams .. 1-0
Leafs record versus current playoff teams .... 5-4

22 of their remaining 49 games are against teams currently in the Playoffs.

Using that pace, if they go 12-10 against Playoff teams and 22-5 against non-playoff teams, that's 34-15, which puts them at 102 points.

I don't expect them to fare that well against non-playoff teams, but I also don't expect them to fare that poorly against playoff teams.
- Monkeypunk

If they dont get a legit backup, they’re (frank)ed either way.

This team isn’t built for success in the playoffs. They need to make changes to the roster.

I like what Barrie brings offensively. The PP is much better with him running it then Rielly.

But I think Dubas did the entire league a favour to not Shanttenkirk themselves when he hits FA

If they dont get a legit backup, they’re (frank)ed either way.

This team isn’t built for success in the playoffs. They need to make changes to the roster.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

They have some time for that.

They can ride Freddy until mid/late Jan. They only have like 1-2 back to backs.

It’s not urgent, and it can’t be or they will get butt (frank)ed in a trade right now.

Also, two D who seems to have easily transitioned into this system and are playing it perfectly(as much as their talent lets them to)

Holl and Ceci.

Weird saying the D can learn from those guys.

If they dont get a legit backup, they’re (frank)ed either way.

This team isn’t built for success in the playoffs. They need to make changes to the roster.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

What changes do you think they need to make?

I mean St. Louis won last year and play heavy. So do we have to model ourselves after them?

Washington won the year before, and played based on Kuznetsov's cocaine-fueled performance and Ovechkin's finish. Yes, Oshie and Wilson played heavy for them.

What about Pittsburgh in the two years prior? People talk about how heavy that team played, but that is complete BS. Their leader in penalties was Malkin. MALKIN! Their D-corps in the second year was Schultz, Cole, Maata, Hainsey, Dumoulin and Daley.

The year before Letang led the team in penalties in the playoffs. There's a guy who embodies grit. That year the D-corps was Letang, Dumoulin, Maata, Lovejoy, Daley/Schultz and Cole.

I look at Pittsburgh's blueline, and I think Rielly, Barrie, Muzzin, Holl, Dermott and Ceci is still better - even though I had to put Ceci there.

If they dont get a legit backup, they’re (frank)ed either way.

This team isn’t built for success in the playoffs. They need to make changes to the roster.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

BTW, I completely agree about the backup. That HAS to be addressed or they get nowhere.

But I honestly don't believe in the hype surrounding goalie workload maintenance. Until injuries and late season call-ups affected the number of games a goalie played on recent cup winners, no one said boo when a goalie (like Quick in 2012) started 69 games and played 20 more in the playoffs.

We just need to worry about our end a little more, the wins should start to pile up.

Nylander wandering across the ice to stand beside 2 other Leafs is a prime example...and it’s not just him.
- Garnie

the same reason we don't draw penalties is the same reason things are loose in our end.

players aren't willing to pay the price.

kadri use to draw a lot of penalties.

now we just have guys like johnsson and spezza that just get penalties.

What changes do you think they need to make?

I mean St. Louis won last year and play heavy. So do we have to model ourselves after them?

Washington won the year before, and played based on Kuznetsov's cocaine-fueled performance and Ovechkin's finish. Yes, Oshie and Wilson played heavy for them.

What about Pittsburgh in the two years prior? People talk about how heavy that team played, but that is complete BS. Their leader in penalties was Malkin. MALKIN! Their D-corps in the second year was Schultz, Cole, Maata, Hainsey, Dumoulin and Daley.

The year before Letang led the team in penalties in the playoffs. There's a guy who embodies grit. That year the D-corps was Letang, Dumoulin, Maata, Lovejoy, Daley/Schultz and Cole.

I look at Pittsburgh's blueline, and I think Rielly, Barrie, Muzzin, Holl, Dermott and Ceci is still better - even though I had to put Ceci there.
- Monkeypunk

There is no right way to build a team.

You build your talented team to play the right system and if your team can play it right then you are halfway there.

Next you just have to get hot and get lucky at the right time.

ok Ill explain his stats....

Matthews is scoring 1.03 pts/GP makes 11.6 million a year

Evgeny Kunzetsov is scoring 1.03 pts/GP makes 7.8 million a year
Jake Guentzel is scoring 1.03 pts/GP makes 6 million a year
Patrice Bergeron is scoring 1.08 pts/GP makes 6.9 million a year
Mika Zibanejad is scoring 1.06 pts/GP makes 5.3 million a year

Mitch Marner is scoring 1.09 pts/GP makes 10.9 million a year

Two of these things are not like the others.
You guys need to stop accepting mediocrity




- ThundernLightning

when Kuznetsov was 22 he was scoring 10 goals
when bergeron was 22 he was scoring 3 goals
when Guentzel was 22 he was scoring 20 goals
when Zibanejad was 22 he was scoring 20 goals

when Auston was 19 he was scoring 40 goals

stop acting like you are comparing the same things.
Austons comparable is basically Ovechkin and he signed for 9.5mil only 11 years ago

There is no right way to build a team.

You build your talented team to play the right system and if your team can play it right then you are halfway there.

Next you just have to get hot and get lucky at the right time.
- Santo_44

no. there isn't.

but when you build a team, you need to have the foresight to allow for some flexibility to make mid-season moves.

or be flexible in trading a player you may not want to.

dufus is entirely inflexible and has no foresight.

What changes do you think they need to make?

I mean St. Louis won last year and play heavy. So do we have to model ourselves after them?

Washington won the year before, and played based on Kuznetsov's cocaine-fueled performance and Ovechkin's finish. Yes, Oshie and Wilson played heavy for them.

What about Pittsburgh in the two years prior? People talk about how heavy that team played, but that is complete BS. Their leader in penalties was Malkin. MALKIN! Their D-corps in the second year was Schultz, Cole, Maata, Hainsey, Dumoulin and Daley.

The year before Letang led the team in penalties in the playoffs. There's a guy who embodies grit. That year the D-corps was Letang, Dumoulin, Maata, Lovejoy, Daley/Schultz and Cole.

I look at Pittsburgh's blueline, and I think Rielly, Barrie, Muzzin, Holl, Dermott and Ceci is still better - even though I had to put Ceci there.
- Monkeypunk

Ovechkin is one of the heaviest playing players in the game.

no. there isn't.

but when you build a team, you need to have the foresight to allow for some flexibility to make mid-season moves.

or be flexible in trading a player you may not want to.

dufus is entirely inflexible and has no foresight.
- Tumbleweed

Huh?

Half the league is operating with no cap space...this isn’t something new.

With talent you will be up against the cap.