he is ready to sign a contract once sobotka is officially out for the season
- homiedclown

Is this the current thought?

Sobotka not returning?

- BeadyEyedDouche

That is classic

Is this the current thought?

Sobotka not returning?
- thatsapickle

He had knee surgery but we were not informed exactly what that surgery repaired other than his "knee". Haven't heard anything, and it took 2-3 weeks to decide to get surgery, so clearly it wasn't a full tear. Sabres would be forced to dump Asplund if/when he returns. Or, god forbid, make a trade. No one really knows if he's returning, but my guess is he'll be physically able to before the season finishes.

Zach Bogosian has played 580/924 possible games, starting his first full NHL season. 63% of the games.

Since his first full season in Winnipeg, which was 2 years after his first full NHL season, he's played 428/770 possible games. 56% of the games.

The past 3 seasons, he's played 47% of the games, inc this season.

So my question is, what do you pay a 30 year old bottom pairing, physical defenseman that steadily plays less and less games as time goes on, at best around 60% of the time?

No contributions on the PP. Avg 18:45 per game. 0.28 ppg.

What's his next contract? I think Jason Demers is a pretty decent comparison. Age, injury history, on ice impact all pretty similar. He's been healthier than Bogo, which really isn't much of a challenge. At 28, he got 4.5M.

I'm going to venture a guess that Bogo gets about 3.2M on his next contract.

Zach Bogosian has played 580/924 possible games, starting his first full NHL season. 63% of the games.

Since his first full season in Winnipeg, which was 2 years after his first full NHL season, he's played 428/770 possible games. 56% of the games.

The past 3 seasons, he's played 47% of the games, inc this season.

So my question is, what do you pay a 30 year old bottom pairing, physical defenseman that steadily plays less and less games as time goes on, at best around 60% of the time?

No contributions on the PP. Avg 18:45 per game. 0.28 ppg.

What's his next contract? I think Jason Demers is a pretty decent comparison. Age, injury history, on ice impact all pretty similar. He's been healthier than Bogo, which really isn't much of a challenge. At 28, he got 4.5M.

I'm going to venture a guess that Bogo gets about 3.2M on his next contract.
- TheSabresTaco

I did quick by age group
Justin Schultz Pending UFA $5,500,000
Travis harmonic pending ufa $3,857,143

But would it be too far off to compare him more like a Luke Schenn who signed a 1 year 700k contract?

Brian Baldinger has tweeted out a good video about where Allen is at. It’s about points that I have made a few times and got heavily harassed about.

I can’t tweet the link but check it out

I did quick by age group
Justin Schultz Pending UFA $5,500,000
Travis harmonic pending ufa $3,857,143

But would it be too far off to compare him more like a Luke Schenn who signed a 1 year 700k contract?
- hubie

I don't really like the Schultz and Schenn comparisons. Schultz not only cashed in on a great season, but he's a completely different style. Hamonic is much closer, but his contract is as old as Bogo's. The Islanders got quite a haul for him, at that point of the trade I think he was seen as a top 2 or 3 dzone guy. At this point, I'm willing to bet Hamonic lands a similar number.

Luke Schenn is hot garbage on the ice.

My best guess, they both get 2-3 years for around 3M

I don't really like the Schultz and Schenn comparisons. Schultz not only cashed in on a great season, but he's a completely different style. Hamonic is much closer, but his contract is as old as Bogo's. The Islanders got quite a haul for him, at that point of the trade I think he was seen as a top 2 or 3 dzone guy. At this point, I'm willing to bet Hamonic lands a similar number.

Luke Schenn is hot garbage on the ice.

My best guess, they both get 2-3 years for around 3M
- TheSabresTaco

The D man free agent class isnt too hot either which could raise the rates

I don't really like the Schultz and Schenn comparisons. Schultz not only cashed in on a great season, but he's a completely different style. Hamonic is much closer, but his contract is as old as Bogo's. The Islanders got quite a haul for him, at that point of the trade I think he was seen as a top 2 or 3 dzone guy. At this point, I'm willing to bet Hamonic lands a similar number.

Luke Schenn is hot garbage on the ice.

My best guess, they both get 2-3 years for around 3M
- TheSabresTaco

Hopefully not in Buffalo...

Dahlin. Monte
Joker. Scandella
Borgen. Pilut

Can that be 2020?

The D man free agent class isnt too hot either which could raise the rates
- hubie

Exactly. In a vacuum, I don't think you're paying Bogo more than 1.5M for a year. Free agency tax will be heavily in his favor.

http://www.espn.com/nhl/statistics/player/_/stat/points/sort/points/position/rookies
- homiedclown

Alex Nylander, LW CHI 30 4 7 11 -9

Hopefully not in Buffalo...

Dahlin. Monte
Joker. Scandella
Borgen. Pilut

Can that be 2020?
- Gr8daygo

I'm still not over this. I totally get it, I know he's done well..

But this is basically like living your entire life in the mountains of Asia then moving to the United States and discovering the internet. My world is upside down, and it makes me twitch every time someone is in favor of Scandella being extended.

I mean, good for him and good for the Sabres. Does he need Joker to survive? Does he need Ralph? Does he need both?

Alex Nylander, LW CHI 30 4 7 11 -9
- jochfr

And that's after having spent a good chunk of the time on the top line. To make matters worse they had a string of injuries on D and now they are playing scrubs. Unfortunately for them this trade has gone the way that it looked day one. Nylander is still young, I guess.

Alex Nylander, LW CHI 30 4 7 11 -9
- jochfr

Henri Jokiharju, D BUF 32 3 6 9 +5 WonTheTrade

I'm still not over this. I totally get it, I know he's done well..

But this is basically like living your entire life in the mountains of Asia then moving to the United States and discovering the internet. My world is upside down, and it makes me twitch every time someone is in favor of Scandella being extended.

I mean, good for him and good for the Sabres. Does he need Joker to survive? Does he need Ralph? Does he need both?
- TheSabresTaco

I’m fine with a free agent replacement.... there are a few, not great options. But options.

My thinking was, he plays ok with joker. And will botts really let scandella AND bogo walk?

Heck I’m fine keeping Miller. But he seems to be out of favor...

Jokiharju's analytics have vastly approved across the board. His on ice impact has actually increased with 20% more dzone starts. Guy has almost as many points in almost as many games as last year, in 2 less minutes per game. The kid is developing like.. really well..

Mr. Nylander..

Still scoring at a 0.3 ppg pace, like all of his other seasons playing for Buffalo. Even though this is his first full length NHL season. His possession metrics are much worse than they were last year. His possession quality, for the first time, is positive.. at 0.9. Overall, he's developing incredibly slow, but he also has less than 50% zone starts, which is curious at best. Book's not written on him. But he's trending towards being a very average NHLer.

I'm still not over this. I totally get it, I know he's done well..

But this is basically like living your entire life in the mountains of Asia then moving to the United States and discovering the internet. My world is upside down, and it makes me twitch every time someone is in favor of Scandella being extended.

I mean, good for him and good for the Sabres. Does he need Joker to survive? Does he need Ralph? Does he need both?
- TheSabresTaco

Here are your upcoming d UFAs at current rate...

Alex Pietrangelo STL UFA D R $6,500,000
Tyson Barrie TOR UFA D R $5,500,000
Justin Schultz PIT UFA D R $5,500,000
Mike Green DET UFA D R $5,375,000
Torey Krug BOS UFA D L $5,250,000
Zach Bogosian BUF UFA D R $5,142,857
Andy Greene NJD UFA D L $5,000,000
Sami Vatanen NJD UFA D R $4,875,000
T.J. Brodie CGY UFA D L $4,650,000
Cody Ceci TOR UFA D R $4,500,000
Chris Tanev VAN UFA D R $4,450,000
Dmitry Kulikov WPG UFA D L $4,333,334
Jonathan Ericsson DET UFA D L $4,250,000
Jacob Muzzin TOR UFA D L $4,000,000
Marco Scandella BUF UFA D L $4,000,000
Travis Hamonic CGY UFA D R $3,857,143
Justin Braun PHI UFA D R $3,800,000
Ron Hainsey OTT UFA D L $3,500,000
Radko Gudas WAS UFA D R $3,350,000
Brenden Dillon DAL UFA D L $3,270,000
Jay Bouwmeester STL UFA D L $3,250,000
Trevor Daley DET UFA D L $3,166,667
Joel Edmundson CAR UFA D L $3,100,000
Mark Pysyk FLA UFA D

I’m fine with a free agent replacement.... there are a few, not great options. But options.

My thinking was, he plays ok with joker. And will botts really let scandella AND bogo walk?

Heck I’m fine keeping Miller. But he seems to be out of favor...
- Gr8daygo

I was laughed at when I spoke about him being overall incredibly average. I like analytics, but they never, ever tell the whole story, or the propaganda machine on twitter can really blow up a player enormously or deflate a guy based on one or two stats.

One of the first things people should start expecting is that all situations are not created equal. There's a real chance that every player in this league can be a lot better or a lot worse on a different team, under a different coach, on a different line, and with a different partner.

All we know is that we don't (frank)ing know Richard.

I’m fine with a free agent replacement.... there are a few, not great options. But options.

My thinking was, he plays ok with joker. And will botts really let scandella AND bogo walk?

Heck I’m fine keeping Miller. But he seems to be out of favor...
- Gr8daygo

One option on a player who is great (On NHL 16 or whatever the one with Brodeaur on the Cover)

Julius Honka still no contract sitting out there.

One option on a player who is great (On NHL 16 or whatever the one with Brodeaur on the Cover)

Julius Honka still no contract sitting out there.
- hubie

Because he's not good.

Because he's not good.
- TheSabresTaco

NHL 16 begs to differ

One option on a player who is great (On NHL 16 or whatever the one with Brodeaur on the Cover)

Julius Honka still no contract sitting out there.
- hubie

stinks

NHL 16 begs to differ
- hubie

wipe the dust off your sega


see how good manson was with the oilers

wipe the dust off your sega


see how good manson was with the oilers



- homiedclown

PS3
Also Laurant Dauhpin is a future Hall of Famer
Connor McDavid so so

Here are your upcoming d UFAs at current rate...

Alex Pietrangelo STL UFA D R $6,500,000
Tyson Barrie TOR UFA D R $5,500,000
Justin Schultz PIT UFA D R $5,500,000
Mike Green DET UFA D R $5,375,000
Torey Krug BOS UFA D L $5,250,000
Zach Bogosian BUF UFA D R $5,142,857
Andy Greene NJD UFA D L $5,000,000
Sami Vatanen NJD UFA D R $4,875,000
T.J. Brodie CGY UFA D L $4,650,000
Cody Ceci TOR UFA D R $4,500,000
Chris Tanev VAN UFA D R $4,450,000
Dmitry Kulikov WPG UFA D L $4,333,334
Jonathan Ericsson DET UFA D L $4,250,000
Jacob Muzzin TOR UFA D L $4,000,000
Marco Scandella BUF UFA D L $4,000,000
Travis Hamonic CGY UFA D R $3,857,143
Justin Braun PHI UFA D R $3,800,000
Ron Hainsey OTT UFA D L $3,500,000
Radko Gudas WAS UFA D R $3,350,000
Brenden Dillon DAL UFA D L $3,270,000
Jay Bouwmeester STL UFA D L $3,250,000
Trevor Daley DET UFA D L $3,166,667
Joel Edmundson CAR UFA D L $3,100,000
Mark Pysyk FLA UFA D
- Gr8daygo

Go fetch. Boston and St. Louis won't let them go.