Well did not see the game last night ,but think I have seen that movie before and know the scrip and ending all to well .
I am on a budgie cord with this team ,but to a much lesser extend
lately ,the spring back is really slowing down . I saw the Boston game as a win against a team that did not come to play until the 3rd ,then dominated .
I think Stan made the right and wrong move last season .Fire ring Q was appropriate ,he looked uninterested in coaching and started a power struggle with Stan and the FO . I do not think Stan did his do diligence on finding a new coach ,and thought he could catch lightning in a bottle ,did not work .
Stan may have made his last deal as a HAWKS GM and it may be time for a new GM and coach down the stretch .Looks to me with the injuries piling up the Hockey Gods are trying to tell HAWKS something

If deHaan is out for a considerable period of time the Hawks should abandon this season and make every single decision based on next year or future years.

Move Gus.
Showcase Smith and see if you can find a taker.
Make a decision on Lehner or Crow and move the other.
Call up Lankinen (and sign him to an extension)
Play Dach as 3C with decent wingers.
play Boqvist with an NHL quality L defender (Maatta or Keith when ready to go)
Play Nylander (and maybe Sikura)
Play Gilbert with an NHL quality R defender (Murphy)
Sign Mitchell (even if his season ends at same time as Hawks, too late for this season)
Ease off the minutes for Kane and Keith.
Get a top 4 draft pick.
- -Doh-

Good list, even with CDH.

What would the habs give back? A lot of injuries in Montreal as well.
- deadpoulet

Add someone with Gus and get Poehling or our 2020 2nd rounder back. Not much else in their cupboard

Add someone with Gus and get Poehling or our 2020 2nd rounder back. Not much else in their cupboard
- Assman22

Depends on who the added player is. My guess is if the player is not good enough Montreal will pass. If the player is that good, the Hawks should pass.

The rebuild started the day Q was fired.

But McD said they were a playoff team the day Q was fired?

Add someone with Gus and get Poehling or our 2020 2nd rounder back. Not much else in their cupboard
- Assman22

Doubt Gus will bring a second rounder jump on that if he does!

The rebuild started the day Q was fired.

But McD said they were a playoff team the day Q was fired?
- rpeters01

He certainly did! And, for some reason, some people actually believed him.

Add someone with Gus and get Poehling or our 2020 2nd rounder back. Not much else in their cupboard
- Assman22

lol

He certainly did! And, for some reason, some people actually believed him.
- mohel

Yup...

Doubt Gus will bring a second rounder jump on that if he does!
- rpeters01

I know some won't believe this, but whatever Stan gets for Gus - if he's traded- will be the best offer for the Hawks.

I know some won't believe this, but whatever Stan gets for Gus - if he's traded- will be the best offer for the Hawks.
- mohel

Not possible. There is always the mythical "two second rounders" offer out there somewhere.

Also, can't wait to read the posts of how Stan never should have traded him from posters other than TG (Tomas Gustafsson???).

I know some won't believe this, but whatever Stan gets for Gus - if he's traded- will be the best offer for the Hawks.
- mohel

Into the pomegranate Kool Aid again I see Bucko! I already heard, from a source, he turned down two first round picks and two blue chip prospects but as usual Blowman is waiting for more.

Blow it up? Isn’t it already blown up? How much more blown up can it get? Trade the goalies and lose every game? Sure, trade Gus, why not? Zack Smith? Sure, if someone will take him. But NMCs limit what can be blown up. The most tradeable guys you’d probably want to keep a Maatta, Murphy, Saad, etc. Maybe it’s finally time to fire Stan?

The rebuild started the day Q was fired.

But McD said they were a playoff team the day Q was fired?
- rpeters01

I think it started with the draft day deals that mooned out Panarin and Hammer.

If deHaan is out for a considerable period of time the Hawks should abandon this season and make every single decision based on next year or future years.

Move Gus.
Showcase Smith and see if you can find a taker.
Make a decision on Lehner or Crow and move the other.
Call up Lankinen (and sign him to an extension)
Play Dach as 3C with decent wingers.
play Boqvist with an NHL quality L defender (Maatta or Keith when ready to go)
Play Nylander (and maybe Sikura)
Play Gilbert with an NHL quality R defender (Murphy)
Sign Mitchell (even if his season ends at same time as Hawks, too late for this season)
Ease off the minutes for Kane and Keith.
Get a top 4 draft pick.
- -Doh-

I can not disagree with anything here. I'd include as everybody else that Colliton and Bowman need to go as well. The Joki trade has to be the last straw. Trading away a big young puck moving dman for a GAMBLE was ridiculous. I also hated losing Kahun as well but accepted it because of our needs.

Let's face it.......Bowman got lucky in the Lehner deal and without that this would most certainly be the worst team in the NHL.....if it isn't already.

This team right now is at an all time low and changes have to start from the top down.

The question is.....does Rocky have his plan in place ? A GREAT businessman should have seen this coming for the last 3 years.

As a long time STH, I will not be back next year without significant changes from management. That's a fact.

Not possible. There is always the mythical "two second rounders" offer out there somewhere.

Also, can't wait to read the posts of how Stan never should have traded him from posters other than TG (Tomas Gustafsson???).
- HawkintheD

Did you hear that McD is a meddler and a control freak who knows nothing about hockey? Yet I also read from the same posters that Stan has no long term or short term plans, yet the meddler is unaware of this. It also turns out that Stan does everything in isolation. The others, like Kelley and Maciver (sp?), who are respected here do nothing and have no input.

I said it the other day....Stan is an accountant and McD is a micromanager. There is no way they have no plan and are just winging it. There's also little chance they're not on the same page. Doesn't mean McD won't throw Stan under the bus anyway.....

I can not disagree with anything here. I'd include as everybody else that Colliton and Bowman need to go as well. The Joki trade has to be the last straw. Trading away a big young puck moving dman for a GAMBLE was ridiculous. I also hated losing Kahun as well but accepted it because of our needs.

Let's face it.......Bowman got lucky in the Lehner deal and without that this would most certainly be the worst team in the NHL.....if it isn't already.

This team right now is at an all time low and changes have to start from the top down.

The question is.....does Rocky have his plan in place ? A GREAT businessman should have seen this coming for the last 3 years.

As a long time STH, I will not be back next year without significant changes from management. That's a fact.
- Hawkytalk

How long did you have the tickets before 2009? Did you demand big changes or give up the tickets then? What about earlier management gave you ANY hope back then?

This team right now is at an all time low and changes have to start from the top down.
- Hawkytalk

I can not disagree with anything here. I'd include as everybody else that Colliton and Bowman need to go as well. The Joki trade has to be the last straw. Trading away a big young puck moving dman for a GAMBLE was ridiculous. I also hated losing Kahun as well but accepted it because of our needs.

Let's face it.......Bowman got lucky in the Lehner deal and without that this would most certainly be the worst team in the NHL.....if it isn't already.

This team right now is at an all time low and changes have to start from the top down.

The question is.....does Rocky have his plan in place ? A GREAT businessman should have seen this coming for the last 3 years.
- Hawkytalk

And when the next GM can't turn it over in 2 years you'll be screaming for another change. The fact is the Hawks are in for a long rebuild. They have to overcome cap problems because of a core who are no longer capable of playing at a high level. The team has very few blue chip prospects. The young NHLers they do have are good but none are stars and perhaps never will be. Bowman has made one bad mistake, that was signing Seabrook to his contract. Other than that all trades were made to alleviate cap problems or to try to maintain the championship window.

The ironic thing is had Bowman traded all the core players after the 2016 season and then declared the team was rebuilding we fans would be more receptive to the rebuild. Now we have fans like yourself who seemingly don't understand the team cannot be rebuilt in 2 years.

How long did you have the tickets before 2009? Did you demand big changes or give up the tickets then? What about earlier management gave you ANY hope back then?
- mohel

What gripes my ass more than anything is that idiot blogger from Phoenix was right about the Hawks all summer. I think what happened was we were so bad last year the improvements on paper got us from 28th to 27th. The hot streak last year was a mirage.

What gripes my ass more than anything is that idiot blogger from Phoenix was right about the Hawks all summer. I think what happened was we were so bad last year the improvements on paper got us from 28th to 27th. The hot streak last year was a mirage.
- rpeters01

Blind squirrel......

And when the next GM can't turn it over in 2 years you'll be screaming for another change. The fact is the Hawks are in for a long rebuild. They have to overcome cap problems because of a core who are no longer capable of playing at a high level. The team has very few blue chip prospects. The young NHLers they do have are good but none are stars and perhaps never will be. Bowman has made one bad mistake, that was signing Seabrook to his contract. Other than that all trades were made to alleviate cap problems or to try to maintain the championship window.

The ironic thing is had Bowman traded all the core players after the 2016 season and then declared the team was rebuilding we fans would be more receptive to the rebuild. Now we have fans like yourself who seemingly don't understand the team cannot be rebuilt in 2 years.
- paulr

Had he done that, the same posters here would have wet themselves in anger over breaking it up too early, and the feeble return Stan got.

And when the next GM can't turn it over in 2 years you'll be screaming for another change. The fact is the Hawks are in for a long rebuild. They have to overcome cap problems because of a core who are no longer capable of playing at a high level. The team has very few blue chip prospects. The young NHLers they do have are good but none are stars and perhaps never will be. Bowman has made one bad mistake, that was signing Seabrook to his contract. Other than that all trades were made to alleviate cap problems or to try to maintain the championship window.

The ironic thing is had Bowman traded all the core players after the 2016 season and then declared the team was rebuilding we fans would be more receptive to the rebuild. Now we have fans like yourself who seemingly don't understand the team cannot be rebuilt in 2 years.
- paulr

That's a tall statement. Some may have been OK with it but I would bet a majority would not(especially after battling STL to seven games).

Your overall point is spot on though. The one thing that I see as a positive is that they have a lot of the big money contracts coming off the books in three years (Toews, Kane, ADB). I'm less concerned about what we will have to extend Strome at (if we do at all).

Barring some major turnaround in play by the vets and some significant contributions by newcomers, the next three years are going to be tough to watch (regardless of who is coach or GM). The fact of the matter is that they need the younger guys to actually mature into hockey players.

- tazer_and_diet

boy a lot of folks weren't around for 1st Line C Tuomo Ruutu, huh?

What's the news on Marc Crawford? He gone yet? I'm assuming he's a dead man walking with the history released by Sopel, along with his Bertucci mandate in Vancouver. No room for that in the new culture NHL.

Also, let EG57 go. All this does is set up the plate for Mitchell to move in and prove his worth.