Can anyone name one thing the Goat does well, besides being 6'4 all day?
- leafsfann

He's defensively smart ...good positioning. If you need a big passive intelligent 4th line centre the Goat is "a" guy. He offers nothing on offence.

Engvall looks better then both Goat and Spezza.

Can anyone name one thing the Goat does well, besides being 6'4 all day?
- leafsfann

he’s 6’5” all day every day 👍

gauthier has 78% of defensive zone starts, with around 10mins of ice-time per game.
with such usage, it's really really tough to show some added value on the offensive side of the game.
he's a good player - last year and this year, whenever he was on the ice and in the offensive zone, his line was doing a good job of keeping puck posession, pressuring the opponent, and actually generating some chances.

any player's output will heavily depend on his usage (time, linemates, opponents etc.) - gauthier is no exception.

leafs should keep him, he's a reliable player that can do more on the offensive side - just isn't given the opportunity.
ideally leafs keep guys like gauthier, timashov, moore etc. - guys that will be on decent contracts and can still play on 2nd/3rd/4th lines, and then keep the stars (marner, matthews, tavares) - others at some point of time should be dealt for some other help (d, goaltender).
- MaximusAurelius

I have no problem with keeping Goat. Every team has a 13th forward, but the Leafs just haven't decided who that's going to be.

What's tricky is the cap, so players than can be waived should be waived accordingly.

I have no problem with keeping Goat. Every team has a 13th forward, but the Leafs just haven't decided who that's going to be.

What's tricky is the cap, so players than can be waived should be waived accordingly.
- gravyface

If you look at the 4th line, you have the following players in contention for that line (assuming Johnsson-Matthews-Nylander / Hyman - Tavares - Marner / Mikheyev - Kerfoot - Kapanen):

Aberg
Engvall
Gauthier
Moore
Petan
Spezza
Timashov

If I were to order that in my personal preference of where I think the players fit, it would be:

Moore
Spezza
Engvall
Gauthier
Timashov
Petan
Aberg

If we drive the goat out of the village the hockey gods will forgive our sins.

If you look at the 4th line, you have the following players in contention for that line (assuming Johnsson-Matthews-Nylander / Hyman - Tavares - Marner / Mikheyev - Kerfoot - Kapanen):

Aberg
Engvall
Gauthier
Moore
Petan
Spezza
Timashov

If I were to order that in my personal preference of where I think the players fit, it would be:

Moore
Spezza
Engvall
Gauthier
Timashov
Petan
Aberg
- Monkeypunk

moore is a decent enough 4th liner.

then 6 13th forwards.

If you look at the 4th line, you have the following players in contention for that line (assuming Johnsson-Matthews-Nylander / Hyman - Tavares - Marner / Mikheyev - Kerfoot - Kapanen):

Aberg
Engvall
Gauthier
Moore
Petan
Spezza
Timashov

If I were to order that in my personal preference of where I think the players fit, it would be:

Moore
Spezza
Engvall
Gauthier
Timashov
Petan
Aberg
- Monkeypunk

Engvall Spezza Moore would rival a lot of team's 3rd lines and would probably be one of the best 4th lines in the NHL.

gauthier has 78% of defensive zone starts, with around 10mins of ice-time per game.
with such usage, it's really really tough to show some added value on the offensive side of the game.
he's a good player - last year and this year, whenever he was on the ice and in the offensive zone, his line was doing a good job of keeping puck posession, pressuring the opponent, and actually generating some chances.

any player's output will heavily depend on his usage (time, linemates, opponents etc.) - gauthier is no exception.

leafs should keep him, he's a reliable player that can do more on the offensive side - just isn't given the opportunity.
ideally leafs keep guys like gauthier, timashov, moore etc. - guys that will be on decent contracts and can still play on 2nd/3rd/4th lines, and then keep the stars (marner, matthews, tavares) - others at some point of time should be dealt for some other help (d, goaltender).
- MaximusAurelius

If he wasn't "Big", you'd think he was useless.

If he wasn't "Big", you'd think he was useless.
- RogerRoeper

He’s been better this year, seems to have an extra jump in his skating...JMO

Hes just as good as the other bottom 5 we have

If he wasn't "Big", you'd think he was useless.
- RogerRoeper

Someone that big should be able to throw a bodycheck though.

Engvall Spezza Moore would rival a lot of team's 3rd lines and would probably be one of the best 4th lines in the NHL.
- gravyface

Engvall is too good for the 4th line. He reminds of Kapanen of a couple of years ago.

With Johnsson out, Keefe should try Engvall with Matthews-Nylander. If that works out, it would all but seal Johnson’s fate.


Johnsson and Ceci for Severson

Someone that big should be able to throw a bodycheck though.
- .HOHO.

He does. He shouldn’t send an apology in the form of a haiku after, though.

Someone that big should be able to throw a bodycheck though.
- .HOHO.

He doesn’t want to look out of place and be the only 1

Engvall is too good for the 4th line. He reminds of Kapanen of a couple of years ago.

With Johnsson out, Keefe should try Engvall with Matthews-Nylander. If that works out, it would all but seal Johnson’s fate.


Johnsson and Ceci for Severson
- Steven_Seagull

Trading Johnsson? He tries to hard for that line, making the big boys look bad?

Someone that big should be able to throw a bodycheck though.
- .HOHO.

Hes trying to fit in with the rest of the team and impress dubie.
Being physical doesnt do it.

Hes trying to fit in with the rest of the team and impress dubie.
Being physical doesnt do it.
- Fakepartofme

Late

Trading Johnsson? He tries to hard for that line, making the big boys look bad?
- Garnie

He's not as heavy as Hyman, so he's not as effective in that kind of a role.

I like Johnsson, but he screams sheltered 3rd liner to me.

Trade everyone? Trade no one?

He's not as heavy as Hyman, so he's not as effective in that kind of a role.

I like Johnsson, but he screams sheltered 3rd liner to me.
- gravyface

Maybe, some games he looks real good and could he the best player on that line and then we don’t see him for a couple...like STL game, pretty much invisible

Trade everyone? Trade no one?
- AdamFrench

Trade no one, let Barrie/Muzzin walk after this year and sign Pieterangelo (sp) if STL doesn’t.

Trade everyone? Trade no one?
- AdamFrench

Why not both?

Trade no one, until we sell let Barrie/Muzzin walk after at the tdl this year and sign Pieterangelo (sp) if STL doesn’t.
- Garnie

fixed

Trade everyone? Trade no one?
- AdamFrench

Tank and rebuild PROPERLY

fixed
- Tumbleweed

We need them to help carry the cup around after game 6 of the finals though.

Hes trying to fit in with the rest of the team and impress dubie.
Being physical doesnt do it.
- Fakepartofme

Doubtful.

Babcock coached him for 100 games, he definitely wanted him to play heavy.

He isn’t that type of player.