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burgh4life87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.22.2014

Dec 10 @ 10:23 AM ET
I know how dominate Kunitz-Geno-Neal was...they were together a long time. Geno won the Art Ross with that line. I'm talking about the times that it was Kunitz-Crosby-Neal...there wasnt much of it but when there was it was dominating.
- MattStrat


I don't really remember them playing much. I'm sure they just clowned people though. That was when Sid was putting up 1.5 points per game.
Thorny87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 10.17.2014

Dec 10 @ 10:24 AM ET
I know how dominate Kunitz-Geno-Neal was...they were together a long time. Geno won the Art Ross with that line. I'm talking about the times that it was Kunitz-Crosby-Neal...there wasnt much of it but when there was it was dominating.
- MattStrat

Yeah I remember Sid and Neal still putting up points. Kinda like the Sid and Phil don't click take. When they were together the produced. Except for the MJ era.
Thorny87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 10.17.2014

Dec 10 @ 10:29 AM ET
I want them to find someone for Sids line that can do some of the heavy lifting. He isn't getting any younger and for the window to stay open he needs to be healthy.

My only real issue with Jake and Simon is that Sid does almost all the board work on that line.

I think there may a solution for that on this team, Tanev. Couldn't hurt to try.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Dec 10 @ 10:42 AM ET
Yeah I remember Sid and Neal still putting up points. Kinda like the Sid and Phil don't click take. When they were together the produced. Except for the MJ era.
- Thorny87



Nobody did hahaha
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Dec 10 @ 10:43 AM ET
I want them to find someone for Sids line that can do some of the heavy lifting. He isn't getting any younger and for the window to stay open he needs to be healthy.

My only real issue with Jake and Simon is that Sid does almost all the board work on that line.

I think there may a solution for that on this team, Tanev. Couldn't hurt to try.

- Thorny87



Quite a few of us would like to try some in house options before parting with assets or straight up selling the farm.
burgh4life87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.22.2014

Dec 10 @ 11:25 AM ET
I want them to find someone for Sids line that can do some of the heavy lifting. He isn't getting any younger and for the window to stay open he needs to be healthy.

My only real issue with Jake and Simon is that Sid does almost all the board work on that line.

I think there may a solution for that on this team, Tanev. Couldn't hurt to try.

- Thorny87


If that is the case Tyler Toffoli would be a great addition. He is fantastic in puck support and generating offense. He just isn't the scorer many expected him to be.
joecool2931
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Rillton, PA
Joined: 09.03.2015

Dec 10 @ 11:42 AM ET
I haven't gotten to read through all the comments, but it seems like everyone has ruled Galchenyuk as good as gone. But do we think its absolutely necessary that G goes back to Crosby? Or would you guys like to see him stay with Malkin. Crosby is obviously much better at elevating other players. How would everyone feel about a Crosby - Galchenyuk - Tanev?? experiment??. I Like the 59-71-17 line. Personally just not ready to give up on Gally yet and really want to see what Tanev looks like in top 6.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Dec 10 @ 11:48 AM ET
If that is the case Tyler Toffoli would be a great addition. He is fantastic in puck support and generating offense. He just isn't the scorer many expected him to be.
- burgh4life87

I'm not sure what everyone else expects. I see a stylistic fit with the hands to get back to the 20 G, 40 pts range, maybe a little more because he'd be with Sid and maybe Guentzel. He's definitely a guy who boosts scoring chances and affordable.

The wildcard would be if as a righty he can grab that spot on the PP, though he's not traditionally a PP guy.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Dec 10 @ 11:52 AM ET
I haven't gotten to read through all the comments, but it seems like everyone has ruled Galchenyuk as good as gone. But do we think its absolutely necessary that G goes back to Crosby? Or would you guys like to see him stay with Malkin. Crosby is obviously much better at elevating other players. How would everyone feel about a Crosby - Galchenyuk - Tanev?? experiment??. I Like the 59-71-17 line. Personally just not ready to give up on Gally yet and really want to see what Tanev looks like in top 6.
- joecool2931

The GM came out an said they don't see him as a top fit and he's known to be on the block, so it seems a safe assumption. Personally, I wouldn't play Galchenyuk with Sid because he's too poor defensively for those matchups. Why do that when you can plug Kahun or McCann in that other LW spot?

I'd have tried Malkin again, but it doesn't seem to be in the cards and I really don't expect it to work anyways.
burgh4life87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.22.2014

Dec 10 @ 12:06 PM ET
I'm not sure what everyone else expects. I see a stylistic fit with the hands to get back to the 20 G, 40 pts range, maybe a little more because he'd be with Sid and maybe Guentzel. He's definitely a guy who boosts scoring chances and affordable.

The wildcard would be if as a righty he can grab that spot on the PP, though he's not traditionally a PP guy.

- Tojo.


I honestly would rather see Bjugstad get a shot there first, mostly because he has a rifle of a wrist shot and shoots a lot, but come February if nothing is set, I think Toffoli can come pretty cheap. The Bruins got Coyle for Donato and a 5th. I can't imagine Toffoli being a UFA at 27years old costs much more.
hipcheck_goalie
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: shreveport, LA
Joined: 02.08.2012

Dec 10 @ 12:11 PM ET
I honestly would rather see Bjugstad get a shot there first, mostly because he has a rifle of a wrist shot and shoots a lot, but come February if nothing is set, I think Toffoli can come pretty cheap. The Bruins got Coyle for Donato and a 5th. I can't imagine Toffoli being a UFA at 27years old costs much more.
- burgh4life87

Radulov is in the press box with Dallas... I could see a Galch + for Radulov...
10inchTerror
Joined: 10.13.2019

Dec 10 @ 12:16 PM ET
Radulov is in the press box with Dallas... I could see a Galch + for Radulov...
- hipcheck_goalie


Might be good change of scenery trade for both. Radulov plays on the rw as well.
Thorny87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 10.17.2014

Dec 10 @ 12:16 PM ET
Radulov is in the press box with Dallas... I could see a Galch + for Radulov...
- hipcheck_goalie

What's the deal with him? He was pretty great the last few years in D wan't he?
hipcheck_goalie
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: shreveport, LA
Joined: 02.08.2012

Dec 10 @ 12:17 PM ET
Might be good change of scenery trade for both. Radulov plays on the rw as well.
- 10inchTerror

I remember a couple years back, he and Geno had some chemistry on the national team...
hipcheck_goalie
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: shreveport, LA
Joined: 02.08.2012

Dec 10 @ 12:19 PM ET
What's the deal with him? He was pretty great the last few years in D wan't he?
- Thorny87

He's been great but this year he's been playing on the third line and not much talent around him... The coach was axed this morning too... The team as a whole has sucked... Benn has been invisible, Seguin is up and down...
burgh4life87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.22.2014

Dec 10 @ 12:27 PM ET
Radulov is in the press box with Dallas... I could see a Galch + for Radulov...
- hipcheck_goalie

We will see. There is a lot going on in dallas right now lol
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Dec 10 @ 12:41 PM ET
That Radulov contract though...

He just put up back-to-back 72 points seasons 27 and 29 goals respectively. It's curious that he's off to such a poor start. Is it possible he's aged out in dramatic fashion? Who knows, but neither Seguin or Benn or starting out well either. Dallas is doing well, but it's definitely by committee.

That contract though is rough and a Galchenyuk for Radulov swap gifts cap space to DAL and robs the Pens of theirs. Not sure how I feel about this idea.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Dec 10 @ 12:56 PM ET
I'm going to play a little "I told you so." Remember how everyone here was creaming over James Neal in the beginning of the season? Remember how I said this is his m.o., scoring in bunches then going silent for pretty much the rest of the season?

October: 11G
November: 3G
December thus far: 0.0

I bet you all now that he doesn't cross 25 goals if he even hits 25. And no, 25 goals isn't 25 goals IMO. All 20 to 25 goal scorers are streaky and if they weren't they'd be 50 goal guys, but there's a huge difference between scoring spread out over the course of a season and doing that all in one month then not contributing much in the other five months of the season. Not to mention he doesn't offer much in the way of any game away from the puck.
VeryModernMan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Munich
Joined: 06.06.2017

Dec 10 @ 1:05 PM ET
That Radulov contract though...
- Rinosaur


I like him, but even i waived him from three teams... he maybe had 3 good games, else invisible.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Dec 10 @ 1:11 PM ET
I like him, but even i waived him from three teams... he maybe had 3 good games, else invisible.
- VeryModernMan


It's really tough to gauge. You see both Benn and Seguin also starting slow, so is there a general team issue or did Radulov just hit the wall? His cap hit is tough, but he's been able to remain relatively healthy since returning to the NHL, so it's not Hornqvist territory, but if he's hit his wall then it's a gnarly contract.

While he's obviously a better player than Galchenyuk, I would still be taxing DAL for taking on that contract. There has to be some balance in a trade that gives DAL value for a player like him, but also recognizes the cap space they are getting.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Dec 10 @ 1:11 PM ET
I honestly would rather see Bjugstad get a shot there first, mostly because he has a rifle of a wrist shot and shoots a lot, but come February if nothing is set, I think Toffoli can come pretty cheap. The Bruins got Coyle for Donato and a 5th. I can't imagine Toffoli being a UFA at 27years old costs much more.
- burgh4life87

As I said, I'd like to look at it. I'd still like Toffoli because of the buy low and fit. I'm not discounting Bjugstad with Crosby, but I like McCann in the top 6 and reuniting Bjugstad and Hornqvist on the 3rd line more. Would like to see both if possible.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Dec 10 @ 1:19 PM ET
That Radulov contract though...

He just put up back-to-back 72 points seasons 27 and 29 goals respectively. It's curious that he's off to such a poor start. Is it possible he's aged out in dramatic fashion? Who knows, but neither Seguin or Benn or starting out well either. Dallas is doing well, but it's definitely by committee.

That contract though is rough and a Galchenyuk for Radulov swap gifts cap space to DAL and robs the Pens of theirs. Not sure how I feel about this idea.

- Rinosaur

I don't watch Dallas often at all so I'm not sure. It could be decline. Or it could just be because instead of going super line they have been spreading out their talent. His ice time is way down. He's still driving play and has been a great even strength scorer the past 2 seasons which is usually where the first signs of decline come. I'd be scared of the age and contract.

Guess I could make a case either way.
joecool2931
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Rillton, PA
Joined: 09.03.2015

Dec 10 @ 1:25 PM ET
The GM came out an said they don't see him as a top fit and he's known to be on the block, so it seems a safe assumption. Personally, I wouldn't play Galchenyuk with Sid because he's too poor defensively for those matchups. Why do that when you can plug Kahun or McCann in that other LW spot?

I'd have tried Malkin again, but it doesn't seem to be in the cards and I really don't expect it to work anyways.

- Tojo.


I didn't/don't think it was as blatant as that. but because of that, i would like to have at least tried it, before he is gone. the poor defense would be the reason to have Tanev on the line with them.

I wouldn't mind seeing Kahun there as well. But I also think Mccann/Kahun has worked well in their time together this season, so I think they can be a third line instead (14GF-4GA). Also, last year, i think Mccann showed that he could bounce up\down the line up. and, this year, has shown that he can man his own 3rd line. so i don't like the idea of anchoring him down as a top 6 winger right now, while there are still other options to experiment with.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Dec 10 @ 1:26 PM ET
Guess I could make a case either way.
- Tojo.


Same boat. He's 33, but he's had little health issue. He plays a tenacious game without being overly physical. If I had to start out with an initial deal, I'd make it look something like this...

TO DAL: Galchenyuk + Simon + DeSmith
TO PIT: Radulov ($1M Retained) + 2021 2nd Round pick

THIS IS JUST A STARTING POINT. I would take this deal and tweak it until it makes sense, but again, this needs to balance. DAL isn't necessarily getting enough quality in return, but they're also getting major cap relief. DeSmith would be a great back-up moving on from Khudobin, a solid young player in Simon and maybe a change-of-scenery situation in Galchenyuk.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Dec 10 @ 1:29 PM ET
I didn't/don't think it was as blatant as that. but because of that, i would like to have at least tried it, before he is gone. the poor defense would be the reason to have Tanev on the line with them.
- joecool2931


The poor defense isn't even the issue with Galch. They knew what they were walking into when getting him. When a team is playing as well defensively as the Pens are you can afford to have a couple of 100% offensive-minded players as long as they're contributing, but he's not, so he's pretty much a useless player for the Pens at the moment and to me that makes it irrelevant who he plays with at this point because he hasn't been able to produce anywhere in the lineup.
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