Not sure if it’s the new iPhone or the data changed on this site but I can’t get the desktop version any longer which makes it even more horrible.
- Cptmjl

This website is mobile cancer

This website is mobile cancer
- eichiefs9

What’s your feelings on Hall? Yay or nay?

What’s your feelings on Hall? Yay or nay?
- Cptmjl

Like on the probability of it happening? Or do I want him or not?

I don't think it's gonna happen, there's a lot of talk about ARI being the front-runner and teams like the Blues/Sabres/Oilers/etc... being in on him too. The more teams realistically in on him will only drive up the price and I still think that Shero would put a premium on him in an intra-division trade.

As far as the latter, of course I want him. He's an elite offensive talent that can fly and this team needs to beef things up in the offense department. I'd pay a lot for him, but I don't think I'd give Dobson up. I really believe he's going to be a cornerstone defenseman for a very long time. But outside of that, I'm not really against moving anyone else (prospect-wise). "Who" depends, of course, on whether or not he is a pure rental or Lou can get him to agree to a contract prior to a trade. But I'd pay big for him for sure.

That said, I'm not so sure they wouldn't be smart to not cough up a ton of assets for Hall and instead be major players for Pageau and someone like Toffoli. Nothing sexy about those guys but having a third line that looked something like Bailey-Pageau-Toffoli and being able to stick Brass back on the wing with Beau and Nelson would give them three really good lines, plus the MM-CC-CC line to be shit-stirrers.

Nobody knows what will happen, but I have a weird feeling that Lou won't land Hall but will come out of left field with another move that no one saw coming. I've been interested in Rakell from the Ducks for a few years. No idea if they'd move him, but he's coming off a down season and is signed for two more years after this one at an insanely-reasonable $3.789M.

Like on the probability of it happening? Or do I want him or not?

I don't think it's gonna happen, there's a lot of talk about ARI being the front-runner and teams like the Blues/Sabres/Oilers/etc... being in on him too. The more teams realistically in on him will only drive up the price and I still think that Shero would put a premium on him in an intra-division trade.

As far as the latter, of course I want him. He's an elite offensive talent that can fly and this team needs to beef things up in the offense department. I'd pay a lot for him, but I don't think I'd give Dobson up. I really believe he's going to be a cornerstone defenseman for a very long time. But outside of that, I'm not really against moving anyone else (prospect-wise). "Who" depends, of course, on whether or not he is a pure rental or Lou can get him to agree to a contract prior to a trade. But I'd pay big for him for sure.

That said, I'm not so sure they wouldn't be smart to not cough up a ton of assets for Hall and instead be major players for Pageau and someone like Toffoli. Nothing sexy about those guys but having a third line that looked something like Bailey-Pageau-Toffoli and being able to stick Brass back on the wing with Beau and Nelson would give them three really good lines, plus the MM-CC-CC line to be shit-stirrers.

Nobody knows what will happen, but I have a weird feeling that Lou won't land Hall but will come out of left field with another move that no one saw coming. I've been interested in Rakell from the Ducks for a few years. No idea if they'd move him, but he's coming off a down season and is signed for two more years after this one at an insanely-reasonable $3.789M.
- eichiefs9

Pageau really would seem like a Barry player. If Hall or Hoffman are out, I'm not sure what other top 6 forward would be available and would not cost big?

Not sure if it’s the new iPhone or the data changed on this site but I can’t get the desktop version any longer which makes it even more horrible.
- Cptmjl

Wow that really sucks the mobile version makes it hard to tell who's replying. I use my phone all the time on here hence the typos but at least I can click desktop version

Like on the probability of it happening? Or do I want him or not?

I don't think it's gonna happen, there's a lot of talk about ARI being the front-runner and teams like the Blues/Sabres/Oilers/etc... being in on him too. The more teams realistically in on him will only drive up the price and I still think that Shero would put a premium on him in an intra-division trade.

As far as the latter, of course I want him. He's an elite offensive talent that can fly and this team needs to beef things up in the offense department. I'd pay a lot for him, but I don't think I'd give Dobson up. I really believe he's going to be a cornerstone defenseman for a very long time. But outside of that, I'm not really against moving anyone else (prospect-wise). "Who" depends, of course, on whether or not he is a pure rental or Lou can get him to agree to a contract prior to a trade. But I'd pay big for him for sure.

That said, I'm not so sure they wouldn't be smart to not cough up a ton of assets for Hall and instead be major players for Pageau and someone like Toffoli. Nothing sexy about those guys but having a third line that looked something like Bailey-Pageau-Toffoli and being able to stick Brass back on the wing with Beau and Nelson would give them three really good lines, plus the MM-CC-CC line to be shit-stirrers.

Nobody knows what will happen, but I have a weird feeling that Lou won't land Hall but will come out of left field with another move that no one saw coming. I've been interested in Rakell from the Ducks for a few years. No idea if they'd move him, but he's coming off a down season and is signed for two more years after this one at an insanely-reasonable $3.789M.
- eichiefs9

Was listening to kouleou and johnson on NHL radio and it was reported the panthers are out on hall as shero wont let teams talk extension and his agent (ferris I believe) is notorious for taking his clients to f a

Pageau really would seem like a Barry player. If Hall or Hoffman are out, I'm not sure what other top 6 forward would be available and would not cost big?
- ses111

I think Pageau would be a home-run here. Aside from pretty good offense he's a high-end PK'er and defensive center.

Probably too early to tell who will be available, outside of players from some very obviously-terrible teams. Florida seems to be attempting the "win-now" mode by signing Bobrovsky, so I imagine something pretty bad will have to happen between now and the deadline for them to move Hoffman..but then again the Atlantic stinks and, if things continue on the way they are, it's highly-likely that both wildcard teams will be from the Metro. Which would mean FLA needs to finish in the top-3 in their division to make the playoffs.

Teams like CHI/SJ/LAK/NSH are all sitting way outside the playoff picture right now and could be good trading partners.

[quote=Upstate_isles]
I know Friedman mentioned on the 31 Thoughts podcast that he's heard Lamoriello is in on Hall. Not really any other info and not sure if that means he called to inquire about the cost or is actively pursuing him, but it's noteworthy.

Like on the probability of it happening? Or do I want him or not?

I don't think it's gonna happen, there's a lot of talk about ARI being the front-runner and teams like the Blues/Sabres/Oilers/etc... being in on him too. The more teams realistically in on him will only drive up the price and I still think that Shero would put a premium on him in an intra-division trade.

As far as the latter, of course I want him. He's an elite offensive talent that can fly and this team needs to beef things up in the offense department. I'd pay a lot for him, but I don't think I'd give Dobson up. I really believe he's going to be a cornerstone defenseman for a very long time. But outside of that, I'm not really against moving anyone else (prospect-wise). "Who" depends, of course, on whether or not he is a pure rental or Lou can get him to agree to a contract prior to a trade. But I'd pay big for him for sure.

That said, I'm not so sure they wouldn't be smart to not cough up a ton of assets for Hall and instead be major players for Pageau and someone like Toffoli. Nothing sexy about those guys but having a third line that looked something like Bailey-Pageau-Toffoli and being able to stick Brass back on the wing with Beau and Nelson would give them three really good lines, plus the MM-CC-CC line to be shit-stirrers.

Nobody knows what will happen, but I have a weird feeling that Lou won't land Hall but will come out of left field with another move that no one saw coming. I've been interested in Rakell from the Ducks for a few years. No idea if they'd move him, but he's coming off a down season and is signed for two more years after this one at an insanely-reasonable $3.789M.
- eichiefs9

I’m kind of leaning towards no to Hall if it were an option. I know we need some scoring but I’m not sure giving up what it’ll take is such a great idea? It’s a sticky situation because here we are a team I feel can truly compete and take a run at the cup if we had maybe a Hall but like you I’m not ok with giving up Dobson. If it were lesser players like a first, Aho, or whatever way they wanted package it I would be on board but we know that’s not happening.

I agree on Pageau who won’t be cheap either imo yet still a lot less than Hall. I think that add to our depth will keep our top 6 intact without lesser players playing outside their roles. A “lesser” move like that may actually be more impactful while not mortgaging our future.

I don’t believe there’s a wrong answer to this and feel we’re right on the cusp so if we somehow landed Hall I would not be upset at all I’m just not sold that it would push us over the edge...

I think Pageau would be a home-run here. Aside from pretty good offense he's a high-end PK'er and defensive center.

Probably too early to tell who will be available, outside of players from some very obviously-terrible teams. Florida seems to be attempting the "win-now" mode by signing Bobrovsky, so I imagine something pretty bad will have to happen between now and the deadline for them to move Hoffman..but then again the Atlantic stinks and, if things continue on the way they are, it's highly-likely that both wildcard teams will be from the Metro. Which would mean FLA needs to finish in the top-3 in their division to make the playoffs.

Teams like CHI/SJ/LAK/NSH are all sitting way outside the playoff picture right now and could be good trading partners.
- eichiefs9

Agreed. Unless they completely crap the bed Hoffman isn’t going anywhere. Him being a pending UFA is the only reason that’s even floating around. Can’t see it.

I think Pageau would be a home-run here. Aside from pretty good offense he's a high-end PK'er and defensive center.

Probably too early to tell who will be available, outside of players from some very obviously-terrible teams. Florida seems to be attempting the "win-now" mode by signing Bobrovsky, so I imagine something pretty bad will have to happen between now and the deadline for them to move Hoffman..but then again the Atlantic stinks and, if things continue on the way they are, it's highly-likely that both wildcard teams will be from the Metro. Which would mean FLA needs to finish in the top-3 in their division to make the playoffs.

Teams like CHI/SJ/LAK/NSH are all sitting way outside the playoff picture right now and could be good trading partners.
- eichiefs9

Dobson seems like too big a piece for a rental. I think focusing on Pageau is the way to go and checking in with the teams you mentioned as well. I think the #1 pick and players like Wilde or Aho would be in play. I'd rather not move Wahlstrom if possible.

I think Pageau would be a home-run here. Aside from pretty good offense he's a high-end PK'er and defensive center.

Probably too early to tell who will be available, outside of players from some very obviously-terrible teams. Florida seems to be attempting the "win-now" mode by signing Bobrovsky, so I imagine something pretty bad will have to happen between now and the deadline for them to move Hoffman..but then again the Atlantic stinks and, if things continue on the way they are, it's highly-likely that both wildcard teams will be from the Metro. Which would mean FLA needs to finish in the top-3 in their division to make the playoffs.

Teams like CHI/SJ/LAK/NSH are all sitting way outside the playoff picture right now and could be good trading partners.
- eichiefs9

Panthers have been a mess of late, coach q starting to call guys out and played 7 d the other night

Dobson seems like too big a piece for a rental. I think focusing on Pageau is the way to go and checking in with the teams you mentioned as well. I think the #1 pick and players like Wilde or Aho would be in play. I'd rather not move Wahlstrom if possible.
- ses111

From what’s being reported the devils are looking for defense and goaltending.

From what’s being reported the devils are looking for defense and goaltending.
- Cptmjl

Isles do have D. No idea about goalies outside of Sorokin.

Dobson seems like too big a piece for a rental. I think focusing on Pageau is the way to go and checking in with the teams you mentioned as well. I think the #1 pick and players like Wilde or Aho would be in play. I'd rather not move Wahlstrom if possible.
- ses111

A 3c like pageau really helps balance the line up and scoring. You can shut down one line in playoffs but hard to stop 3 especially when the 4th line gets a regular shift and wears teams down hitting everything in sight

Isles do have D. No idea about goalies outside of Sorokin.
- ses111

We do have the D prospects just not sure how attractive they are to other teams? Does Aho have enough value(last I checked he was our leading scorer), Wilde, Wotherspoon? Not really sure...

A 3c like pageau really helps balance the line up and scoring. You can shut down one line in playoffs but hard to stop 3 especially when the 4th line gets a regular shift and wears teams down hitting everything in sight
- Upstate_isles

Absolutely. More depth=less Komarov which is a positive😂

Absolutely. More depth=less Komarov which is a positive😂
- Cptmjl

Who takes the temperature though?

We do have the D prospects just not sure how attractive they are to other teams? Does Aho have enough value(last I checked he was our leading scorer), Wilde, Wotherspoon? Not really sure...
- Cptmjl

I know Dobson and Wilde would seem to have the most value. Hard to tell with Aho and Wotherspoon and others.

Who takes the temperature though?
- Upstate_isles

7 and his finger.

A 3c like pageau really helps balance the line up and scoring. You can shut down one line in playoffs but hard to stop 3 especially when the 4th line gets a regular shift and wears teams down hitting everything in sight
- Upstate_isles

Pageau is not Hall but he would be a very nice add and big help.

Pageau is not Hall but he would be a very nice add and big help.
- ses111

Yeah he fits the mold for this team and Trotz’s expectations imo. I think he can be a great add but I have a pretty strong feeling someone will overpay for him. Most likely a first and a decent prospect. When you think about it that way we’re not really far off from what we would give up for Hall.

I’m kind of leaning towards no to Hall if it were an option. I know we need some scoring but I’m not sure giving up what it’ll take is such a great idea? It’s a sticky situation because here we are a team I feel can truly compete and take a run at the cup if we had maybe a Hall but like you I’m not ok with giving up Dobson. If it were lesser players like a first, Aho, or whatever way they wanted package it I would be on board but we know that’s not happening.

I agree on Pageau who won’t be cheap either imo yet still a lot less than Hall. I think that add to our depth will keep our top 6 intact without lesser players playing outside their roles. A “lesser” move like that may actually be more impactful while not mortgaging our future.

I don’t believe there’s a wrong answer to this and feel we’re right on the cusp so if we somehow landed Hall I would not be upset at all I’m just not sold that it would push us over the edge...
- Cptmjl

Well I certainly think that having Hall for more than half the season (assuming they acquired him now, since the Devils are clearly keeping him out of the lineup for a reason) would really push the Isles into the "true contender" category, but yeah...he'll cost an arm and a leg.

I think there's value in beefing up the skill level on the 3rd line without making concessions on the defensive side of the puck. Trotz has preached that he likes players to be consistent and that he likes to roll all four lines. Giving him the option to have three lines that he can roll out there in almost any situation is playing right into his preferences as a coach and, so far, that seems to be working big-time for us.

Not to mention Pageau has 35 games of playoff experience to Hall's 5

Yeah he fits the mold for this team and Trotz’s expectations imo. I think he can be a great add but I have a pretty strong feeling someone will overpay for him. Most likely a first and a decent prospect. When you think about it that way we’re not really far off from what we would give up for Hall.
- Cptmjl

I'm wondering if Otto would need to be included for Pageau?

Well I certainly think that having Hall for more than half the season (assuming they acquired him now, since the Devils are clearly keeping him out of the lineup for a reason) would really push the Isles into the "true contender" category, but yeah...he'll cost an arm and a leg.

I think there's value in beefing up the skill level on the 3rd line without making concessions on the defensive side of the puck. Trotz has preached that he likes players to be consistent and that he likes to roll all four lines. Giving him the option to have three lines that he can roll out there in almost any situation is playing right into his preferences as a coach and, so far, that seems to be working big-time for us.

Not to mention Pageau has 35 games of playoff experience to Hall's 5
- eichiefs9

So if Hall makes us a “true contender” does Pageau have the same effect at a lower price? With all of this said if either Hall or Pageau go for a lot less than we’re all suspecting and we have nothing at the end of it I’m going to be pissed😂