, and especially unlikely with a goalie...



And isn't GMJR credited to say "you can't have enough goalies"?! But ok, maybe expansion draft will force hands another time.

In any case: MM starts today vs. DET, and i hope he will show a good effort.
- VeryModernMan

Well, you have to give to get, and I don't think we have a good chance of beating Boston or Washington with our current roster even if we are completely healthy.

We essentially have the same roster that got swept in the first round last year (by a team who got swept in the next round by a team who got swept in the round after that by...Boston) minus Kessel, Guds plus Galch, Tanev, Marino.

Our best draft pick will be in the 20s, I don't think there is much of a market for guys like Galch, Bjug, Horny, ZAR, etc., and we are probably over-valuing our few decent prospects.

Speaking of decent vet goalies had for a song, Domingue was acquired recently for a 7th.

Neuvirth is battling injuries, his career may be over. If it was easy to find another goalie lying around, Hutchinson wouldn't be Toronto's back up.
- Tojo.

When teams start dropping out of the race, there will be backup goalies aplenty.

Besides, we're still talking about 3-4 starts in an unlikely scenario. I'm not holding up dramatically improving the team for this unlikely scenario.

Fun fact: Hutchinson is .876 and Murray is .901 this year and I'd say the Pens have a better defense and defensive team.

I'm a MAF lover and I thought it was absolutely, no question the right move.

As for Murray, I'm not dancing on his grave, but I think there is a very good possibility that he ends up being an average goalie the rest of his career (around ~.910) and he's about to get paid. We have other holes on the team and Murray still has trade value. Jarry looks like the better goalie going forward.
- Hockey66

That would be great if that was definitely the case, but I'm not convinced and I think people are overreacting to a small sample. That's like thinking Rust is a point per game player based on how he's played this year when his history says otherwise.

You like to cite how bad Murray was a couple years ago as a sign he's too inconsistent. Well Jarry had a GAA over 3 in the AHL that year. I hope he's everything he's shown this year, but he's started 9 games, I'm going to need to see it over a longer period of time.

That would be great if that was definitely the case, but I'm not convinced and I think people are overreacting to a small sample. That's like thinking Rust is a point per game player based on how he's played this year when his history says otherwise.

You like to cite how bad Murray was a couple years ago as a sign he's too inconsistent. Well Jarry had a GAA over 3 in the AHL that year. I hope he's everything he's shown this year, but he's started 9 games, I'm going to need to see it over a longer period of time.
- Tojo.

That's fair and it's a gamble for sure.

However, there are several factors (already mentioned ad nauseam, sorry) that I think make it worth the gamble:

1. Murray still has value. That might not be the case soon if he continues his current level of play. He is probably our highest valued trade chip.

2. Murray is going to get paid in the offseason which makes it much less attractive to hang on to him following this season, especially if he is only playing well ~40% of the time (current rate over the last 3+ years).

3. If we do hang on to Murray and Jarry is still playing well, we are losing one of them for nothing the following year to Seattle (unless we trade one with other teams knowing we have to trade one or lose them for nothing).

4. Murray has a history of injuries whereas Jarry doesn't.

5. I could be wrong, but I think Jarry was the higher rated prospect.

6. Jarry is athletic and quick whereas Murray is not really.

That's fair and it's a gamble for sure.

However, there are several factors (already mentioned ad nauseam, sorry) that I think make it worth the gamble:

1. Murray still has value. That might not be the case soon if he continues his current level of play. He is probably our highest valued trade chip.

2. Murray is going to get paid in the offseason which makes it much less attractive to hang on to him following this season, especially if he is only playing well ~40% of the time (current rate over the last 3+ years).

3. If we do hang on to Murray and Jarry is still playing well, we are losing one of them for nothing the following year to Seattle (unless we trade one with other teams knowing we have to trade one or lose them for nothing).

4. Murray has a history of injuries whereas Jarry doesn't.

5. I could be wrong, but I think Jarry was the higher rated prospect.

6. Jarry is athletic and quick whereas Murray is not really.
- Hockey66

What has you so convinced that it will be a goalie that is drafted from the Pens? There are other good players on this team that won't be protected.

What has you so convinced that it will be a goalie that is drafted from the Pens? There are other good players on this team that won't be protected.
- Brayn

Most teams don't have two starting quality goalies to protect and Seattle will be drafting 3 goalies.

That's fair and it's a gamble for sure.

However, there are several factors (already mentioned ad nauseam, sorry) that I think make it worth the gamble:

1. Murray still has value. That might not be the case soon if he continues his current level of play. He is probably our highest valued trade chip.

2. Murray is going to get paid in the offseason which makes it much less attractive to hang on to him following this season, especially if he is only playing well ~40% of the time (current rate over the last 3+ years).

3. If we do hang on to Murray and Jarry is still playing well, we are losing one of them for nothing the following year to Seattle (unless we trade one with other teams knowing we have to trade one or lose them for nothing).

4. Murray has a history of injuries whereas Jarry doesn't.

5. I could be wrong, but I think Jarry was the higher rated prospect.

6. Jarry is athletic and quick whereas Murray is not really.
- Hockey66

1. I'd rather gamble on losing Murray's trade value than gamble on Jarry not regressing at this point. Murray had a .923 save percentage and 2.20 GAA in his 10 October starts if you need a reminder of how quick that can change.

2-6 have no bearing on trading Murray right now. I'm not ruling out Jarry being the long-term starter, but there's no need to make that call this year. We can let it play out longer and see what happens.

Nice to see Kahun-McCann-Tanev reunited.

Machino!

Wow, I'm surprised that counted

Wow, I'm surprised that counted
- Tojo.

Not gonna complain, though...

1. I'd rather gamble on losing Murray's trade value than gamble on Jarry not regressing at this point. Murray had a .923 save percentage and 2.20 GAA in his 10 October starts if you need a reminder of how quick that can change.

2-6 have no bearing on trading Murray right now. I'm not ruling out Jarry being the long-term starter, but there's no need to make that call this year. We can let it play out longer and see what happens.
- Tojo.

Fair enough. Do you think we get past Boston or Washington with our current roster? If not, I don't think we're getting much help with our current trade chips.

In a vacuum, I would rather hold on to Murray. I don't hate him like some - I actually like him. I just think there are a lot of factors that make trading him soon the better move. Of course, I could be completely wrong about that and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if I am.

Do you trade Murray+ in a deal for Hall?

Wow, I'm surprised that counted
- Tojo.

I think it was the right call. He didn't have it covered and Malkin got his stick in there. Maybe could argue Guentzel interfered with the goalie before the puck was poked in.

Wait, did Guentzel get credit for that?

Fair enough. Do you think we get past Boston or Washington with our current roster? If not, I don't think we're getting much help with our current trade chips.

In a vacuum, I would rather hold on to Murray. I don't hate him like some - I actually like him. I just think there are a lot of factors that make trading him soon the better move. Of course, I could be completely wrong about that and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if I am.

Do you trade Murray+ in a deal for Hall?
- Hockey66[/quote]

Absolutely. But it would only be a trade of that magnitude I would consider for Murray.

The ice seems very sh!tty.

Survey- is this the most boring game of the year?

Just a lovely sequence

Fair enough. Do you think we get past Boston or Washington with our current roster? If not, I don't think we're getting much help with our current trade chips.

In a vacuum, I would rather hold on to Murray. I don't hate him like some - I actually like him. I just think there are a lot of factors that make trading him soon the better move. Of course, I could be completely wrong about that and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if I am.

Do you trade Murray+ in a deal for Hall?
- Hockey66

It's hard to say how good this team can be until we get to see a run o games with Crosby, Malkin, and McCann down the middle. I think they might be.

I have full confidence in GMJR's ability to add at the deadline.

It's been widely circulated Shero is asking for young defensemen and 1st round picks, not goalies anyways. Right now no, but closer to the deadline that might change.

Looked like another for Jake

Nope

Ruhwedel 2-0, and Geno can finally be the man.

Survey- is this the most boring game of the year?
- pensfan024

I thought yesterday was worse actually.

It's hard to say how good this team can be until we get to see a run o games with Crosby, Malkin, and McCann down the middle. I think they might be.

I have full confidence in GMJR's ability to add at the deadline.

It's been widely circulated Shero is asking for young defensemen and 1st round picks, not goalies anyways. Right now no, but closer to the deadline that might change.
- Tojo.

Shero love his dmen. Can't draft them, but he loves them.

It's hard to say how good this team can be until we get to see a run o games with Crosby, Malkin, and McCann down the middle. I think they might be.

I have full confidence in GMJR's ability to add at the deadline.

It's been widely circulated Shero is asking for young defensemen and 1st round picks, not goalies anyways. Right now no, but closer to the deadline that might change.
- Tojo.

Do you see Bjugstad on the outside? I mean, his time in PIT has been utterly atrocious. I bet he's a player, but I haven't seen it on this team. Killer wrist shot that hasn't scored goals.

It's hard to say how good this team can be until we get to see a run o games with Crosby, Malkin, and McCann down the middle. I think they might be.

I have full confidence in GMJR's ability to add at the deadline.

It's been widely circulated Shero is asking for young defensemen and 1st round picks, not goalies anyways. Right now no, but closer to the deadline that might change.
- Tojo.

Yeah, I've heard that and it makes a lot more sense. I was just sort of testing the threshold for trading Murray.

I thought yesterday was worse actually.
- Tojo.

I actually like games like that. Low scoring, evenly played with good scoring chances but even better goaltending.