Bravo snowflake. Whether I want it to be in the game or not it still is. It will be for some time long after your done whining about it. And your lame old argument that we pining for the old days of meat head hockey are just not true. I'm not hoping for unnecessary brawling or staged fights. But if your teammate decides to step in and is obliged by the other player so be it. What is wrong with that. I'm not advocating that somebody jumps someone, but the way that Gilbert and Simmonds went was fine. And you can bet not a si gle player on either team had a problem with it. It's just people like you and ogie who are butt hurt by it. It's your opinion and it's mine but until there is massive outcry from the players who actually play (there isn't BTW) it will be a part of the game. You 2 whining about it won't change it. Players and teammates feelings about it matters not yours or mine but the vast majority IN THE GAME don't agree with you. Get over it and have a good day!
- bonecrusher27

You’re funny.

I agree with you, Don’t know if you’re new to the site or been around, but you’re fighting a losing battle here. There’s a click of about 12 to 14 posters on this site and if you ruffle their feathers the wrong way they ignore you, or ridicule you.
A few of us missed the last guy John Jaeckel that ran the blog here he seem to be more in tune with it and had more frequent articles., As you know some of the old-timers have left and a few of us are on the way out also. Some of us have been here from the start and have been here a lot longer than some of these guys.
Lastly I had no problem with what Dennis Gilbert did the other night, I also would love Wayne Simmons on my team, more of that needs to be back in the game.
- wonthecup10

Very few.

Who should be making these moves?
- mohel

https://blackhawkup.com/2...replacements-stan-bowman/

FWIW, there was a recent article on Blackhawkup.com on possible GM replacements. This site isn't the most insightful of sites but still good to get some water cooler topics.

Al MacIsaac (internal)
Norm Maciver (internal)
Mike Gillis (external)
Bill Zito (external)

If going internal, I'd go with Maciver, hands down. I've read before that he's often seen as the sharpest person in the room but for whatever reason doesn't get listened to a lot.

As for MacIsaac, I'd say no. Seems like a "yes man" to me. He looks like Stan Bowman's older brother, too.

Also no to Gillis and Zito. Gillis would be an old retread who I believe hasn't done much in about 5 years after leaving the Canucks (and not on such good terms either).

While having NHL experience by way of being an agent to pro players before, Zito wasn't raised in the hockey world. I'd much rather have a GM who knows the game whether as a former player and/or coach. To his credit, though, he is currently a GM in the AHL (Jackets farm team).

You’re funny.
- Ogilthorpe2

I know. We disagree. You can keep whining about it but it isn't going to change anytime soon. Well aware of the stats and trends of fighting and unlike what you constantly gripe about I'm not advocating for meat head hockey. There is a team concept in this sport and this idea of sticking up for your teammates while it has morphed is still there. However for the sake of arguing this argument is futile I agree. You like snowflake hockey I like a team that sticks together even if occasionally we have a fight like we did last night between Gilbert and Simmonds. To each their own. But you do sound like a whiny female dog about it. Have a good day!

Well duh, anyone but Stan. How about Chelios? Ive heard his name come up a few times.
- Chunk

I'd consider Chelios at some point once he gets more experience as an assistant GM or other similar role. Is he a Blackhawks Ambassador right now or does he have a formal position in the front office? The website doesn't list him at all.

How about trades for Oduya, Vermette, and Handzus,did those work out?
- Angotti

Yes but you gotta have a what have you done for me lately mentality. Can’t hold on to a GM cuz of what he did 5-10 years ago. May sound harsh but I think it’s fair. His last 5 seasons of decision making and roster construction have been a disaster.

I know. We disagree. You can keep whining about it but it isn't going to change anytime soon. Well aware of the stats and trends of fighting and unlike what you constantly gripe about I'm not advocating for meat head hockey. There is a team concept in this sport and this idea of sticking up for your teammates while it has morphed is still there. However for the sake of arguing this argument is futile I agree. You like snowflake hockey I like a team that sticks together even if occasionally we have a fight like we did last night between Gilbert and Simmonds. To each their own. But you do sound like a whiny female dog about it. Have a good day!
- bonecrusher27

New drinking game: every time Bonecrusher use the insult “snowflake”....

how about the 3 before that?
- Elbows15

played in 1 1/2 of them
is that a problem

as to your earlier post
certainly not you

Anyone is replaceable, however some will be missed more than others. The Oilers traded 99, and they won another cup without him.
- Angotti

My point exactly

I'd consider Chelios at some point once he gets more experience as an assistant GM or other similar role. Is he a Blackhawks Ambassador right now or does he have a formal position in the front office? The website doesn't list him at all.
- AEL_Fox

Ron Hextall would be a good hire

Yes but you gotta have a what have you done for me lately mentality. Can’t hold on to a GM cuz of what he did 5-10 years ago. May sound harsh but I think it’s fair. His last 5 seasons of decision making and roster construction have been a disaster.
- SimpleJack

Hard to tell when to bag it, what were Stan's choices? Epstein's ridden the same horse three years after title and counting. Oh yeah, just bagged a HOF manager sound familiar and he's a genius.

I know. We disagree. You can keep whining about it but it isn't going to change anytime soon. Well aware of the stats and trends of fighting and unlike what you constantly gripe about I'm not advocating for meat head hockey. There is a team concept in this sport and this idea of sticking up for your teammates while it has morphed is still there. However for the sake of arguing this argument is futile I agree. You like snowflake hockey I like a team that sticks together even if occasionally we have a fight like we did last night between Gilbert and Simmonds. To each their own. But you do sound like a whiny female dog about it. Have a good day!
- bonecrusher27

So what you’re implying is you want to remove hitting from the game? Yes?

It’s funny you keep calling us snowflakes when you’re seemingly actually arguing against yourself.

Us “snowflakes” are the ones who have been advocating for clean hard hitting hockey being allowed to exist in the game. While you now find yourself on the side of defending the guy who objects to a good hard hit being delivered within the framework of gameplay.

Sounds to me like you’re the snowflake...or do you prefer “Boomer”?

So what you’re implying is you want to remove hitting from the game? Yes?

It’s funny you keep calling us snowflakes when you’re seemingly actually arguing against yourself.

Us “snowflakes” are the ones who have been advocating for clean hard hitting hockey being allowed to exist in the game. While you now find yourself on the side of defending the guy who objects to a good hard hit being delivered within the framework of gameplay.

Sounds to me like you’re the snowflake...or do you prefer “Boomer”?
- Ogilthorpe2

Careful, man - there are some real Boomers here....

I'd consider Chelios at some point once he gets more experience as an assistant GM or other similar role. Is he a Blackhawks Ambassador right now or does he have a formal position in the front office? The website doesn't list him at all.
- AEL_Fox

Could be wrong but pretty sure he works in some capacity for the Wings.

Yes but you gotta have a what have you done for me lately mentality. Can’t hold on to a GM cuz of what he did 5-10 years ago. May sound harsh but I think it’s fair. His last 5 seasons of decision making and roster construction have been a disaster.
- SimpleJack

Overall if you look at all personnel decisions then he has not been a total disaster. You I am guessing just are hard headed and anti Bowman. Which I can understand since overall Bowman has too many questionable or poor decisions and that does not inspire confidence going forward.

You also have to be fair and accept that he may feel pressure to keep the team completive and that has meant beginning the past seasons with a hope or expectation to possibly sneak into the playoffs as even an eighth seed.

Bowman's biggest challenge may have and continues to be how to foster a winning environment while shaping the team to be tougher all the while mindful of how he handicapped his operatiin with overpayment salaries yet moreover term.

I can live with gambling although poor choices in fringe player add on like Timmonen, Runsblad because it shows he aggressively tried to get some help - not every GM makes 100 per cent good moves. Read carefully here as I did not support those minorish moves rather I am deflecting some of the harsh criticism.

He was right to move Sharp who was on downside although I suspect he gambled for a higher return and settled for less. Leddy never has developed into barely much better but yes poor return under salary cap forced trade analysis. The Weisse trade from Montreal is a Q interference in allowing players received to help as well as they might have.

Saad trade has been argued ad nauseum and loosing Panarin for that return is not a good enough exchange.....but he knew he needed to have a big fast player(s) as team was too much marshmellow.

So I highlighted some trades but where Bowman has shined brightest to me is draft choices the past few seasons. The pipeline is ripe with talent which should begin to start filtering in....Boqvist could be a premiere talent but first has at least one more year AHL to learn and practice how to play defense.

AEL_FOX summarizes prospects well. His latest had a lot to do with how Boqvist tracks play too much to the resulting plays turn out to be a good scoring chance against us....sorry "worthetheCup" blogger Boqvust is not soon ready to replace Gus.

Alright yes I probably would vote to replace Bowman after another season but let him make a good 2020 first round pick. Let him decide if we are ok at center position and hopefully DeBrincat and Strome wiill be in the right kind of shape.

I want to see what he does about the head coach he picked. How can you play his system if your personnel is nothing right for that scheme. You do realize that you have to find a better GM and better coach before you let go the current duo

The team will take one more season of transition as we move past expansion, past Seabrook contract and someone will take over Toews top two line minutes. Prospects need to come in and get a year under their belt like Mitchell and Entwhistle. Those two need to impact the roster then other prospects come along

So yes I consider Bowman as not the best choice but let prospects start to fill up roster then the next step for team I entrust to yet to be determined new GM and coach

So what you’re implying is you want to remove hitting from the game? Yes?

It’s funny you keep calling us snowflakes when you’re seemingly actually arguing against yourself.

Us “snowflakes” are the ones who have been advocating for clean hard hitting hockey being allowed to exist in the game. While you now find yourself on the side of defending the guy who objects to a good hard hit being delivered within the framework of gameplay.

Sounds to me like you’re the snowflake...or do you prefer “Boomer”?
- Ogilthorpe2

I agree with the hard checks, clean hits all of that, it's only a matter of time the fights go away, after what happened last year in the playoffs with the kid from Carolina getting a concussion fighting Ovi, this becomes a litigation issue(money) and the NHL not protecting its players, mad glad or sad, snowflake or boomer it's going away

Good clean hits brought to you by the NHL
Player Safety is nothing but a bad joke

https://ca.sports.yahoo.c...es-zadorov-010943470.html

https://blackhawkup.com/2019/12/05/chicago-blackhawks-4-replacements-stan-bowman/

FWIW, there was a recent article on Blackhawkup.com on possible GM replacements. This site isn't the most insightful of sites but still good to get some water cooler topics.

Al MacIsaac (internal)
Norm Maciver (internal)
Mike Gillis (external)
Bill Zito (external)

If going internal, I'd go with Maciver, hands down. I've read before that he's often seen as the sharpest person in the room but for whatever reason doesn't get listened to a lot.

As for MacIsaac, I'd say no. Seems like a "yes man" to me. He looks like Stan Bowman's older brother, too.

Also no to Gillis and Zito. Gillis would be an old retread who I believe hasn't done much in about 5 years after leaving the Canucks (and not on such good terms either).

While having NHL experience by way of being an agent to pro players before, Zito wasn't raised in the hockey world. I'd much rather have a GM who knows the game whether as a former player and/or coach. To his credit, though, he is currently a GM in the AHL (Jackets farm team).
- AEL_Fox

If they are thinking about kicking Stan to the curb ,not saying he should be .If they are in the market for new GM Mark Hunter would be my choice ,think the Leafs are questioning him not be hire their

Your opinion stated. You don't like it. It annoys you. But the players who actually play in THE NHL don't seem to have an issue with it. I'm sure the players on both teams tonight didn't have an issue with it. I'm sure Hughes was "annoyed" by Simmonds response. It a part of hockey. Don't like it don't watch it. Watch a college game instead. Solved.
- bonecrusher27

The ex-tough guy NHL fighters with the brain damage, I wonder how they feel about it.

For all those here who believe that Keith is irreplaceable
I guess the last 2 games don't count
- gazza53

Yup, blowing a 3 goal lead in the 3rd period is a sure sign they don’t need their best defenseman.

I'd consider Chelios at some point once he gets more experience as an assistant GM or other similar role. Is he a Blackhawks Ambassador right now or does he have a formal position in the front office? The website doesn't list him at all.
- AEL_Fox

I said that mostly in jest, because some just throw out names that “sound good”. I was referring to hiring Chelios right now.

Bravo snowflake. Whether I want it to be in the game or not it still is. It will be for some time long after your done whining about it. And your lame old argument that we pining for the old days of meat head hockey are just not true. I'm not hoping for unnecessary brawling or staged fights. But if your teammate decides to step in and is obliged by the other player so be it. What is wrong with that. I'm not advocating that somebody jumps someone, but the way that Gilbert and Simmonds went was fine. And you can bet not a si gle player on either team had a problem with it. It's just people like you and ogie who are butt hurt by it. It's your opinion and it's mine but until there is massive outcry from the players who actually play (there isn't BTW) it will be a part of the game. You 2 whining about it won't change it. Players and teammates feelings about it matters not yours or mine but the vast majority IN THE GAME don't agree with you. Get over it and have a good day!
- bonecrusher27

This is the type of uncharitable attacking the person post that offers no argument or anything substantive to the discussion other than you informing us you are self appointed "smartest guy" in the room. We need alot less of this.

Careful, man - there are some real Boomers here....
- StLBravesFan

a few...

Good clean hits brought to you by the NHL
Player Safety is nothing but a bad joke

https://ca.sports.yahoo.c...es-zadorov-010943470.html
- gazza53

He did lead with his leg and caught the montreal player in a vulnerable position.

“To me, that’s a dirty hit,” Canadiens head coach Claude Julien said post-game, according to Arpon Basu of The Athletic.

Of course Julian protesting it as "dirty hit" is typical of a coaches response when its their guy is the victim. It's crickets chirping when their guy is a victimizer. I don't recall much of Julian speaking out when his bruins dished this typed of stuff regularly.

I suspect the aves coach "never saw it" or described it as "just a hockey play."

I could see Crawford to Toronto for the right young package
Assuming he will waive