Interesting reading the back and forth.....

100% of the time Patrick Kane takes a hard hit from an opponent and a Hawks player does not go to his aid, this board goes into a frenzy talking about how nobody cares about their teammates and should stick up for them and how the team has no character/heart.
- Hawks_49

First of all I can count on one hand (not even one whole hand) the number of times Kane has taken a hard hit. Slippery little bugger he is. Secondly, if it was a clean hit, you’ll never have heard me complain about a lack of response. But, yeah, the meathead contingent will certainly make their (there) voices heard, no doubt.

First of all I can count on one hand (not even one whole hand) the number of times Kane has taken a hard hit. Slippery little bugger he is. Secondly, if it was a clean hit, you’ll never have heard me complain about a lack of response. But, yeah, the meathead contingent will certainly make their (there) voices heard, no doubt.
- Ogilthorpe2

I just said it was interesting reading the back and forth, and that the "board" would go into a frenzy. It was a generalization. Don't take it as a personal accusation.

Hey!! We don't suck...again...again...or wait do we for giving up a three goal lead? Can't keep track anymore...

Maybe he needs to do an article on Gus for five straight MONTHS...
- Angotti

Fixed that for you Lou.
He's awful.
Hopefully Blowman trades him but knowing the Maintainer, he will re-sign him to some huge L-T deal with NMC.

Interesting reading the back and forth.....

100% of the time Patrick Kane takes a hard hit from an opponent and a Hawks player does not go to his aid, this board goes into a frenzy talking about how nobody cares about their teammates and should stick up for them and how the team has no character/heart.
- Hawks_49

Because, a team SHOULD back their teammates. Ogi and Mohel will slant and twist things...like fight a guy who scores a goal. Crap like that.

When anyone having a sensible discussion knows we are taking about the one or two times a player gets "run at" clean or otherwise. None of these hits are truly just clean or dirty. Last night there was no headshot...but Smith DID leave his feet. So, some will say clean hit, some dirty. So, I guess Moore has to wait for a vote before he responds. Geez. Talk about guys who can't discuss things without the hyperbole.

IF...that is IF....a player thinks his teammate is being run and taken advantage of, he should respond. Period. No Ogi/Mohel...not on EVERY play, NOT on a goal, NOT because he stickhandled around you and you fell down. But, when another player physically runs your guys and you deem it dirty or charging, or likely to cause your friend and teammate harm. By all means....step in there.

Because, a team SHOULD back their teammates. Ogi and Mohel will slant and twist things...like fight a guy who scores a goal. Crap like that.

When anyone having a sensible discussion knows we are taking about the one or two times a player gets "run at" clean or otherwise. None of these hits are truly just clean or dirty. Last night there was no headshot...but Smith DID leave his feet. So, some will say clean hit, some dirty. So, I guess Moore has to wait for a vote before he responds. Geez. Talk about guys who can't discuss things without the hyperbole.

IF...that is IF....a player thinks his teammate is being run and taken advantage of, he should respond. Period. No Ogi/Mohel...not on EVERY play, NOT on a goal, NOT because he stickhandled around you and you fell down. But, when another player physically runs your guys and you deem it dirty or charging, or likely to cause your friend and teammate harm. By all means....step in there.
- hawk35

I agree with this. This is how players have built chemistry and it's how most coaches coach. There isn't anything wrong with sticking up for a teammate after what is deemed a questionable hit.

Good lord, fighting after a clean hit is just stupid NEW hockey culture.

In the old days, guys like Gordie and Stan would slash the guy across the back of the legs while skating back up ice, when the ref wasn’t looking. Delivered the same message, without the stupidity of fighting.

Olde time hockey, like Toe Blake and Eddie Shore!

Thanks for the breakdown & video. Very unfortunate Nylander got stuck in the wall by the hit. Everyone was chasing to bad spots & they capitalized on it.
- I Am The Breadman

How can he get stuck on the wall when all he does is floats?

I agree with this. This is how players have built chemistry and it's how most coaches coach. There isn't anything wrong with sticking up for a teammate after what is deemed a questionable hit.
- Hawks_49

I guess the Hawks should tell Dach to remove legal hits from his game. Because a player will take offense and he'll have to fight to keep the brotherhood on the team. And I doubt they want the future of the team - who already has a concussion history - to be getting in many fights.

Fixed that for you Lou.
He's awful.
Hopefully Blowman trades him but knowing the Maintainer, he will re-sign him to some huge L-T deal with NMC.
- savvyone-1

Remember when Gustafson miraculously scored 60 points last year after being a career minor leaguer and Stan could’ve traded him for assets with value? Good times. Gus bus is barely worth a used roll of tape now.

Good lord, fighting after a clean hit is just stupid NEW hockey culture.

In the old days, guys like Gordie and Stan would slash the guy across the back of the legs while skating back up ice, when the ref wasn’t looking. Delivered the same message, without the stupidity of fighting.

Olde time hockey, like Toe Blake and Eddie Shore!
- scottak

ya. Scot. Cuz you named 4 guys who would NEVER fight in that instance. lol. Quite the opposite, they would do the slash, elbow, sly shot AND they would fight too. Those are some bad-asses you pointed out there. lol

“I was right there, I saw the clean legal hit, I didn’t like the clean legal hit, so I thought something had to be done about a clean legal hit, so instead of delivering a clean legal hit of my own, I decided to make not clean, not legal hits.”

Perfectly logical.
- Ogilthorpe2

As Kaner would say "that's hockey baby!"

Imo hawks need 2 things up front 3rd line center because kampf is not cutting it. And big phyiscal power forward with speed. So what it take to get coleman and wood from jersey what would a trade look like?

Because, a team SHOULD back their teammates. Ogi and Mohel will slant and twist things...like fight a guy who scores a goal. Crap like that.

When anyone having a sensible discussion knows we are taking about the one or two times a player gets "run at" clean or otherwise. None of these hits are truly just clean or dirty. Last night there was no headshot...but Smith DID leave his feet. So, some will say clean hit, some dirty. So, I guess Moore has to wait for a vote before he responds. Geez. Talk about guys who can't discuss things without the hyperbole.

IF...that is IF....a player thinks his teammate is being run and taken advantage of, he should respond. Period. No Ogi/Mohel...not on EVERY play, NOT on a goal, NOT because he stickhandled around you and you fell down. But, when another player physically runs your guys and you deem it dirty or charging, or likely to cause your friend and teammate harm. By all means....step in there.
- hawk35

You accuse me of slanting your position (I did not mention or comment on the goalie thing), but you did not answer this comment of mine from above, trying to make sure I understand your position....

"What's slanted? You've written here that a legal play NEEDS to result in a fight in order for the game to be played properly by both teams. Isn't that your position?"

Is that your position?

I guess the Hawks should tell Dach to remove legal hits from his game. Because a player will take offense and he'll have to fight to keep the brotherhood on the team. And I doubt they want the future of the team - who already has a concussion history - to be getting in many fights.
- mohel

Again, with the hyperbole.

If Dach lays a hit on somebody that the other team deems charging, dirty, dangerous to their teammate, whether Dach thinks it was clean or not. He better be ready to defend. Any player laying hits SHOULD be ready for retaliation. Most hits can be looked at as dirty to individuals...did he take an extra stride, was it slightly from the back, did he leave his feet. You and Ogi love to stretch the premise and exaggerate to the fullest.

To answer you question. If Dach make 100% clean hits for 100% of his career....I am betting at least a couple of times OTHERS will see something dirty in it. So, YES. He better be ready to defend himself his entire career. It is hockey dammit. It is physical. If you are gonna give it, be ready to take it. And some other players may not let you know it's coming. Every hit you make doesn't mean somebody needs to challenge or fight you . NOBODY said that. It is IF you think your teammate is being taken advantage of. Being targetted. Being done wrong. Then you pitch in. Not difficult to understand. But, maybe for some it is...I dunno...

The White Sox offered a pitcher with 44 wins $120M and didn't get him and the Bears look like a football team...

You accuse me of slanting your position (I did not mention or comment on the goalie thing), but you did not answer this comment of mine from above, trying to make sure I understand your position....

"What's slanted? You've written here that a legal play NEEDS to result in a fight in order for the game to be played properly by both teams. Isn't that your position?"

Is that your position?
- mohel

No. ABOLUTELY NOT.

THERE is the slanted. I did NOT say every legal hit needs to be retaliated.

I said when you feel a teammate is being "run" you need to step in there. Often it is dirty, sometimes it may be clean but on the border of charging or head-hunting.

These arguments of clean hit, dirty hit are out to lunch. As I said earlier. half that saw last night hit said, clean....the other half said, he left his feet...thus dirty.

Most hits are like that. It is more about when you think a team is taking runs at your guys. Moore thought that. He responded. Good for him!!!

I wish the Hawks had more that Bruin mentality and culture!!!

Again, with the hyperbole.

If Dach lays a hit on somebody that the other team deems charging, dirty, dangerous to their teammate, whether Dach thinks it was clean or not. He better be ready to defend. Any player laying hits SHOULD be ready for retaliation. Most hits can be looked at as dirty to individuals...did he take an extra stride, was it slightly from the back, did he leave his feet. You and Ogi love to stretch the premise and exaggerate to the fullest.

To answer you question. If Dach make 100% clean hits for 100% of his career....I am betting at least a couple of times OTHERS will see something dirty in it. So, YES. He better be ready to defend himself his entire career. It is hockey dammit. It is physical. If you are gonna give it, be ready to take it. And some other players may not let you know it's coming. Every hit you make doesn't mean somebody needs to challenge or fight you . NOBODY said that. It is IF you think your teammate is being taken advantage of. Being targetted. Being done wrong. Then you pitch in. Not difficult to understand. But, maybe for some it is...I dunno...
- hawk35

They get to decide that? That makes little sense.

First of all I can count on one hand (not even one whole hand) the number of times Kane has taken a hard hit. Slippery little bugger he is. Secondly, if it was a clean hit, you’ll never have heard me complain about a lack of response. But, yeah, the meathead contingent will certainly make their (there) voices heard, no doubt.
- Ogilthorpe2

Kane does seem to have a 6th sense when avoiding hits. (Self preservation?)

An immediate response to a clean hit is often (but not always) foolish. You play 60 damn minutes. Instead of being foolish and taking a penalty, commit as a team to not pass up any opportunities to put a hard clean hit on the opposition (over and over and over). That is how to respond. I am pretty sure Pasta would have been just as thankful for a whole team response as he was a one player's response, especially a foolish one by someone who is just coming off IR.

They get to decide that? That makes little sense.
- mohel

Mohel...are you serious???

Moore is on the ice, he has a split second to decide what to do. You want him to go to the bench, look at video. Pool the othe players. Maybe an on-line vote???

C'mon, talk sense. Of course he has to decide. He is the one there. In that moment. If it was 100% clean and he he acted. His bad. He will see that later. But, yes. During the action the only ones who CAN decide are the ones involved.

Their decision may not be right....but, who else CAN decide???

That makes little sense????....it make the ONLY sense.

Mohel...are you serious???

Moore is on the ice, he has a split second to decide what to do. You want him to go to the bench, look at video. Pool the othe players. Maybe an on-line vote???

C'mon, talk sense. Of course he has to decide. He is the one there. In that moment. If it was 100% clean and he he acted. His bad. He will see that later. But, yes. During the action the only ones who CAN decide are the ones involved.

Their decision may not be right....but, who else CAN decide???

That makes little sense????....it make the ONLY sense.
- hawk35

After the game, they say "oh, sorry, my bad, Dach's hit was clean. Sorry he's got a concussion from the fight, but I really thought it was a dirty hit at the time. I hope he's ok."

How about this - let the refs decide what is legal. If it was a dirty hit, stand up for your guy at a later point.

Kane does seem to have a 6th sense when avoiding hits. (Self preservation?)

An immediate response to a clean hit is often (but not always) foolish. You play 60 damn minutes. Instead of being foolish and taking a penalty, commit as a team to not pass up any opportunities to put a hard clean hit on the opposition (over and over and over). That is how to respond. I am pretty sure Pasta would have been just as thankful for a whole team response as he was a one player's response, especially a foolish one by someone who is just coming off IR.
- -Doh-

I read somewhere that Kane watches more hockey than the average NHL scout.
Plus practicing 24/7, I'd venture a guess that he has a pretty good sense of players probable positioning without visually looking.

Kane does seem to have a 6th sense when avoiding hits. (Self preservation?)

An immediate response to a clean hit is often (but not always) foolish. You play 60 damn minutes. Instead of being foolish and taking a penalty, commit as a team to not pass up any opportunities to put a hard clean hit on the opposition (over and over and over). That is how to respond. I am pretty sure Pasta would have been just as thankful for a whole team response as he was a one player's response, especially a foolish one by someone who is just coming off IR.
- -Doh-

It may be a foolish knee-jerk reaction, but the fight only took him and Smith off of the ice. At least Moore didn't give the Hawks a PP.

I understand both sides of this discussion. The smartest thing to do is absolutely to just be patient and take the opportunity later to get a some revenge. However, in my experience watching and playing hockey, players don't usually have the smartest reaction to a play like that. It is an immediate emotional response, and one that your teammates generally appreciate.

After the game, they say "oh, sorry, my bad, Dach's hit was clean. Sorry he's got a concussion from the fight, but I really thought it was a dirty hit at the time. I hope he's ok."

How about this - let the refs decide what is legal. If it was a dirty hit, stand up for your guy at a later point.
- mohel

By the sounds of Pastrnak, Krug, etc after the game. I am thinking they are glad their teammates have more grit and heart than that. Hawks could use a couple of ounces of it as well...

I read somewhere that Kane watches more hockey than the average NHL scout.
Plus practicing 24/7, I'd venture a guess that he has a pretty good sense of players probable positioning without visually looking.
- Slofire94

Kane's game is also one of playing the periphery and coming into high contact areas at the exact right time in most cases when no one sees him and is unable to lay a hit on him. Gretzky was the best at it, Kane does a damn good job himself. Other players live in high contact areas and take a beating. One reason why we see Toews on a hard downward trend in his career and Kane still playing at a high level is the amount of punishment Toews has taken over the years.

And this isn't a slight against Kane, he played his role perfectly over the years.