So they are not making the playoffs this year? Who do we trade first Marner or Matthews?
- PatC80

Muzzin.

Then Nylander.

Then Barrie.

What the hell is this? Spezza has been very good. He was offered more $ guaranteed elsewhere. The PTO was impossible and the ex coach was very unfair to him.

Spezza is not an issue at all
- RogerRoeper

bullpoop. you're talking out of your ass.

a 36 year-old coming off of 26 and 27 point seasons did not get offered more

giving poop players to a coach and putting him in an impossible situation is the work of gm who has no foresight.

Updated numbers (sorry for the does of reality):

After 30 games, the Leafs have 30 points. Currently a 43.33% win rate, on track for 82 points.

To get to 98 points (that's what it took to get to the playoffs last year), they Leafs need 68 more points. That's a 65% win rate - the equivalent of a 107 point season.

The Leafs have never in their 101 year history had a 107 point season.
- Atomic Wedgie

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Muzzin.

Then Nylander.

Then Barrie.
- Atomic Wedgie

Sounds legit.. Thanks for the heads up, Kyle.

We lost because Rielly's head was so far up Spezza's backside..
I have proof



- PatC80

- annoyed

queue the benny hill music lmao....

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- 21peter

Oh, FFS, not this again.

Points available divided by points earned equals winning percentage.

If Team A goes 40-40-2, for 82 points...

And Team B goes 32-0-50 for 114 points...

Are you really going to tell me that Team A has a better win percentage?

Take your time to choose your answer wisely, because if you pick Team A, I will hunt you down and punch you in your chestnuts.

FFS, people, this was settled by Red Fisher the franking day that the NHL came out with the loser point!!!

We lost because Rielly's head was so far up Spezza's backside..
I have proof



- PatC80

Reilly behaving like my dog behaves around other dogs.

That was a bonehead play by Spezza. Guy lost his stick. Got in Reilly's way. Then went off the ice. Still, shouldn't crucify him for that. He's played above expectations this year and is better than the Goat or Shore. The right move was made keeping him on roster over those 2.

We lost because Rielly's head was so far up Spezza's backside..
I have proof



- PatC80

This isn't what pisses me off.

What pisses me off is all Spezza had to do was take a half-step towards the boards and hit the Colorado player skating by.

But Blue and White disease is an epidemic - no need to do the hard stuff.

Doesn't matter if they score, we are sooooooo talented, we'll just score two more!

Yes, we are that good, haven't you read our press clippings?!?!?!

Reilly behaving like my dog behaves around other dogs.

That was a bonehead play by Spezza. Guy lost his stick. Got in Reilly's way. Then went off the ice. Still, shouldn't crucify him for that. He's played above expectations this year and is better than the Goat or Shore. The right move was made keeping him on roster over those 2.
- floater_willy

It was a bad play by Spezza made worse by Rielly not paying attention to what was going on around him..

This isn't what pisses me off.

What pisses me off is all Spezza had to do was take a half-step towards the boards and hit the Colorado player skating by.

But Blue and White disease is an epidemic - no need to do the hard stuff.

Doesn't matter if they score, we are sooooooo talented, we'll just score two more!

Yes, we are that good, haven't you read our press clippings?!?!?!
- Atomic Wedgie

Did you just say you expected Spezza to hit another player?

I don't think he ever did that in his prime....

This isn't what pisses me off.

What pisses me off is all Spezza had to do was take a half-step towards the boards and hit the Colorado player skating by.

But Blue and White disease is an epidemic - no need to do the hard stuff.

Doesn't matter if they score, we are sooooooo talented, we'll just score two more!

Yes, we are that good, haven't you read our press clippings?!?!?!
- Atomic Wedgie

Spezza would have gotten an interference penalty if he did that.

bullpoop. you're talking out of your ass.

a 36 year-old coming off of 26 and 27 point seasons did not get offered more

giving poop players to a coach and putting him in an impossible situation is the work of gm who has no foresight.
- Tumbleweed

In a 4th line role....Have you checked the #'s for 4th liners? LOL.

And more $ still means less than 1 million FYI. He signed for the minimum. This is not a guy who can possibly be paid less.

You are seriously saying Spezza at the NHL minimum on a 4th line role is a bad signing.?

Oh, FFS, not this again.

Points available divided by points earned equals winning percentage.

If Team A goes 40-40-2, for 82 points...

And Team B goes 32-0-50 for 114 points...

Are you really going to tell me that Team A has a better win percentage?

Take your time to choose your answer wisely, because if you pick Team A, I will hunt you down and punch you in your chestnuts.

FFS, people, this was settled by Red Fisher the franking day that the NHL came out with the loser point!!!
- Atomic Wedgie

Spezza would have gotten an interference penalty if he did that.
- PatC80

And your point is?

Blow it up!!!!!


This is hilarious

Spezza would have gotten an interference penalty if he did that.
- PatC80

A 2 minute penalty is better than a shorthanded breakaway in a tied game. Some of that PP will be a wash.

Spezza signed league minimum Dubas overpaid!!!

In a 4th line role....Have you checked the #'s for 4th liners? LOL.

And more $ still means less than 1 million FYI. He signed for the minimum. This is not a guy who can possibly be paid less.

You are seriously saying Spezza at the NHL minimum on a 4th line role is a bad signing.?
- RogerRoeper

It's not a bad signing, but I don't understand why Leafs fans feel like we owe this guy some sort of special treatment.

HE choose to sign in Toronto for less. That was his decision. And once that's made, the guy doesn't deserve to be held in a high regard due to his tenure with the Ottawa Senators and Dallas Stars.

He was signed as a spare part - because that's the absolute ceiling of his ability at this point.

I don't give a flying frank if he wants more ice time or to play in the home opener because his cousin bought tickets.

He has a franking job to do. And right now, he isn't getting it done.

Which is a point I can say for about 3/4 of the roster right now.

To suggest that Mathew's level of effort is anywhere near Marner's is crazy - watch the game. Yes Mathew's when he scores is a weapon but he does not play like others in his pay grade effort coming back and getting to lose pucks is not there. Trade him before the rest of the league wakes up and make sure Ceci and Marincin are in the package and if necessary throw in the Nylander family.

To suggest that Mathew's level of effort is anywhere near Marner's is crazy - watch the game. Yes Mathew's when he scores is a weapon but he does not play like others in his pay grade effort coming back and getting to lose pucks is not there. Trade him before the rest of the league wakes up and make sure Ceci and Marincin are in the package and if necessary throw in the Nylander family.

It's not a bad signing, but I don't understand why Leafs fans feel like we owe this guy some sort of special treatment.

HE choose to sign in Toronto for less. That was his decision. And what's that's made, the guy doesn't deserve to be held in a high regard due to his tenure with the Ottawa Senators and Dallas Stars.

He was signed as a spare part - because that's the absolute ceiling of his ability at this point.

I don't give a flying frank if he wants more ice time or to play in the home opener because his cousin bought tickets.

He has a franking job to do. And right now, he isn't getting it done.

Which is a point I can say for about 3/4 of the roster right now.
- Atomic Wedgie

I understand but Spezza's #'s are solid.

I wish we had the Habs roster!!!

The Leafs will be fine.

Teams lose.

They will figure it out this season and if they don’t then there will changes.

But ffs give this team a chance.

Hey Lucas, your not suggesting that Shanny yell at the players. You also mention the Leafs playing with fire and aggressiveness. Are you sure you understand the Dubas vision ? Shanny breaking sticks and turning over tables . All that would do is give Nylander and the play nice Leafs the excuse they need for losing. They yelled at me
and told me to be aggressive ! Someone give me a hug.