How’s Lou doing? How’s dubas doing?
- gamerdoc

I think his comment was about Hunter

So you'd rather have Hanifin over Marner. Cool beans.
- babcockblows

At which point in Wedgie's comment saying "his drafting outside of the top 5 was terrible" did he lose you?

I'm just curious.

So you'd rather have Hanifin over Marner. Cool beans.
- babcockblows

What I'd really rather have is you learn to read.

Hot peppers.

What I'd really rather have is you learn to read.

Hot peppers.
- Atomic Wedgie

😝

I think his comment was about Hunter
- Takemedrunkimhome

Hunter may be another bust, but I think it’s hard to screw things up as badly as Dubas has done so far. It takes a rare talent to inherit the consensus #1 team of the future and mangle it so badly, while trading away all those 1st round picks.

Hunter may be another bust, but I think it’s hard to screw things up as badly as Dubas has done so far. It takes a rare talent to inherit the consensus #1 team of the future and mangle it so badly, while trading away all those 1st round picks.
- gamerdoc

This is what concerns me.

The Shanaplan was supposed to be about finally being smart.

Do I hate the Muzzin trade? Not particularly.

Do I hate the Marleau trade? It had to be done.

But you put them together, and all of a sudden we are back to the Draft-Schmaft mentality.

Hunter may be another bust, but I think it’s hard to screw things up as badly as Dubas has done so far. It takes a rare talent to inherit the consensus #1 team of the future and mangle it so badly, while trading away all those 1st round picks.
- gamerdoc

Ummm...ok then

This is what concerns me.

The Shanaplan was supposed to be about finally being smart.

Do I hate the Muzzin trade? Not particularly.

Do I hate the Marleau trade? It had to be done.

But you put them together, and all of a sudden we are back to the Draft-Schmaft mentality.
- Atomic Wedgie

If Dubas saved those extra millions with AM and MM, they could have waited longer, to find someone who is willing to take him at less cost. Heck they can just carry him for fatherly advice and discipline, which is something these spoiled brats sorely lack right now. Those poor contracts on AM and MM have ripple effects.

At which point in Wedgie's comment saying "his drafting outside of the top 5 was terrible" did he lose you?

I'm just curious.
- Scabeh

Christmas came early in this thread


Jesus Christ in a manger

Ditto with AM. With the terms they agreed to, Dubas should have at least 5-6M to play with after WN, AM, MM.

But noooooo, they deserve their super max deal before they showed they are the best 1-2 in the league, because they showed the potential to be the best.

How’s that working out, eh? I mean our underlying numbers are so good, they deserve every cent.
- gamerdoc

Matthews career .98 PPG
McDavid career 1.33 PPG

McDavid makes less than 900,000 more than AM. Something isn't right here. Same can be said about Marner, although he at leas was a top ten point guy.

Hunter may be another bust, but I think it’s hard to screw things up as badly as Dubas has done so far. It takes a rare talent to inherit the consensus #1 team of the future and mangle it so badly, while trading away all those 1st round picks.
- gamerdoc

The thing with Hunter is at least we know he knows to ice a team with less poonani.

The thing with Hunter is at least we know he knows to ice a team with less poonani.
- aminnes

Moar Polak?

Christmas came early in this thread


Jesus Christ in a manger
- RickJames77

- floater_willy

It's not even reveling in the misery...it's just some of the arguments are entertaining.

Christmas came early in this thread


Jesus Christ in a manger
- RickJames77

I keep taking a peek and it's worse every time

- floater_willy

Matthews career .98 PPG
McDavid career 1.33 PPG

McDavid makes less than 900,000 more than AM. Something isn't right here. Same can be said about Marner, although he at leas was a top ten point guy.
- aminnes

I won’t cut any slack for MM, he produced 90+ point just one year playing with 56 goal guy. He looks more like 60 points guy now. He is not a game breaker and he can’t drive a line without elite centre. That is not a picture of top 3 winger in the league.

The terms too. 5 years with that kind of money and 6 years? They got contracts out of their dream.

The simple fact of matter is, AM and MM need to be top 5 players in the league every single year for the duration of their contract for those contracts to be worthwhile. The evidence so far says otherwise.

If a decision maker is this poor at judgement, he doesn’t deserve to be in his position.

This is what concerns me.

The Shanaplan was supposed to be about finally being smart.

Do I hate the Muzzin trade? Not particularly.

Do I hate the Marleau trade? It had to be done.

But you put them together, and all of a sudden we are back to the Draft-Schmaft mentality.
- Atomic Wedgie

who needs draft picks when you get all the mediocre Russian free agents to sign for you!

.99PPG under Babschlong's Abuse

.57PPG under Keefe's Queefes

Clearly Auston needs more psychological trauma.
- AdamFrench

I won’t cut any slack for MM, he produced 90+ point just one year playing with 56 goal guy. He looks more like 60 points guy now.

The terms too. 5 years with that kind of money and 6 years? They got contracts out of their dream.

The simple fact of matter is, AM and MM need to be top 5 players in the league every single year for the duration of their contract. The evidence so far says otherwise.

If a decision maker is this poor at judgement, he doesn’t deserve to be in his position.
- gamerdoc

He made the rookie mistake of paying them for what he thought they would do. McDavid had won a heart, 2 Pearsons and 2 Art Ross trophies. So it was a sure bet for Edmonton to pay up. Really he probably is worth more than he's paid. It's a lessen in negotiation. Had he said no to Willy, and he can sit the year it would have sent a clear message. That is what started this. The agents for AM and MM saw how easily they could get paid for what they might do.

Did everyone read the MacKinnon article?

82nd highest paid player in league @ 6.3m

Says he will take another hometown discount on next contract
- mr.sir

Yup.
Lets see if he actually does.

This is what concerns me.

The Shanaplan was supposed to be about finally being smart.

Do I hate the Muzzin trade? Not particularly.

Do I hate the Marleau trade? It had to be done.

But you put them together, and all of a sudden we are back to the Draft-Schmaft mentality.
- Atomic Wedgie

And out of a playoff spot.
The Marleau "had to be done" cause of the cap hell the leafs put themselves in.

He made the rookie mistake of paying them for what he thought they would do. McDavid had won a heart, 2 Pearsons and 2 Art Ross trophies. So it was a sure bet for Edmonton to pay up. Really he probably is worth more than he's paid. It's a lessen in negotiation. Had he said no to Willy, and he can sit the year it would have sent a clear message. That is what started this. The agents for AM and MM saw how easily they could get paid for what they might do.
- aminnes

For financial service analogy, if I made a mistake of hiring the asset manager who vastly overvalued 3 biggest investments in my portfolio, I would cut the loss and fire him. There is no evidence he can do any better in the future, other than hopes and dreams. And those hopes and dreams don’t work too well in finances.

Remember when the media was going on and on about how the NHL has shifted towards a league that pays for what players will do instead of what they have done in the past and then nobody other than Toronto overpaid for their young players

Good times