That game last night looked like a Capuano coached team. Constant backwards passes in own zone, Lazy passes in all zones, multiple odd-man rushes against as Defenseman kept pinching in bad spots. Brutal to watch. I hope Trotz eats them alive today.

"1. Gusev played exactly zero games for Vegas. He plays for a terrible Devils team.
Also, Vegas isn't particularly good this year, but that's irrelevant

2. In a vacuum, of course I'd prefer Hall over Gusev and it's not close. But Hall is going to cost an absolute fortune. Do you want to pay a 1st + high-end prospect, and maybe more, for him and risk losing him to UFA?

3. Assuming they signed him, not only is he going to cost a fortune to acquire, but then you have to factor in the salary cap. Are you prepared to pay 2020 1st+Dobson or Wahlstrom+another piece+at least one of Pulock or Toews? Because you're not signing Barzal for ~$10M, Hall for ~$10M, Pulock for somewhere around $6-7M and Toews for somewhere around $3-4M. It's flat-out impossible.

4. He's 28 now, I'm a little leery about signing an injury-prone player, that will be 29 when his 8 year contract starts, to a deal that carries that kind of cap hit

5. I don't like guys with horse teeth. (frank) him, Couture, and Gary Dell'abate."

1. Yeah , I figured that one out..
2 & 3- If Hall is not going to do a sign and trade like Stone last year and it sounds like his agent is intent on having him become a UFA this summer than their is ZERO shot it is going to cost that much for a rental.
4. He just turned 28 and I never said I wanted to sign him to a long term contract Mr. Cap worry guy.
5. Our Captain has horse teeth...

as u were..

"1. Gusev played exactly zero games for Vegas. He plays for a terrible Devils team.
Also, Vegas isn't particularly good this year, but that's irrelevant

2. In a vacuum, of course I'd prefer Hall over Gusev and it's not close. But Hall is going to cost an absolute fortune. Do you want to pay a 1st + high-end prospect, and maybe more, for him and risk losing him to UFA?

3. Assuming they signed him, not only is he going to cost a fortune to acquire, but then you have to factor in the salary cap. Are you prepared to pay 2020 1st+Dobson or Wahlstrom+another piece+at least one of Pulock or Toews? Because you're not signing Barzal for ~$10M, Hall for ~$10M, Pulock for somewhere around $6-7M and Toews for somewhere around $3-4M. It's flat-out impossible.

4. He's 28 now, I'm a little leery about signing an injury-prone player, that will be 29 when his 8 year contract starts, to a deal that carries that kind of cap hit

5. I don't like guys with horse teeth. (frank) him, Couture, and Gary Dell'abate."

1. Yeah , I figured that one out..
2 & 3- If Hall is not going to do a sign and trade like Stone last year and it sounds like his agent is intent on having him become a UFA this summer than their is ZERO shot it is going to cost that much for a rental.
4. He just turned 28 and I never said I wanted to sign him to a long term contract Mr. Cap worry guy.
5. Our Captain has horse teeth...

as u were..
- niteislander

Ding ding ding, chiefs vs niteislander

Ding ding ding, chiefs vs niteislander
- Upstate_isles

Excellent

"1. Gusev played exactly zero games for Vegas. He plays for a terrible Devils team.
Also, Vegas isn't particularly good this year, but that's irrelevant

2. In a vacuum, of course I'd prefer Hall over Gusev and it's not close. But Hall is going to cost an absolute fortune. Do you want to pay a 1st + high-end prospect, and maybe more, for him and risk losing him to UFA?

3. Assuming they signed him, not only is he going to cost a fortune to acquire, but then you have to factor in the salary cap. Are you prepared to pay 2020 1st+Dobson or Wahlstrom+another piece+at least one of Pulock or Toews? Because you're not signing Barzal for ~$10M, Hall for ~$10M, Pulock for somewhere around $6-7M and Toews for somewhere around $3-4M. It's flat-out impossible.

4. He's 28 now, I'm a little leery about signing an injury-prone player, that will be 29 when his 8 year contract starts, to a deal that carries that kind of cap hit

5. I don't like guys with horse teeth. (frank) him, Couture, and Gary Dell'abate."

1. Yeah , I figured that one out..
2 & 3- If Hall is not going to do a sign and trade like Stone last year and it sounds like his agent is intent on having him become a UFA this summer than their is ZERO shot it is going to cost that much for a rental.
4. He just turned 28 and I never said I wanted to sign him to a long term contract Mr. Cap worry guy.
5. Our Captain has horse teeth...

as u were..
- niteislander

- Wildschwein

"1. Gusev played exactly zero games for Vegas. He plays for a terrible Devils team.
Also, Vegas isn't particularly good this year, but that's irrelevant

2. In a vacuum, of course I'd prefer Hall over Gusev and it's not close. But Hall is going to cost an absolute fortune. Do you want to pay a 1st + high-end prospect, and maybe more, for him and risk losing him to UFA?

3. Assuming they signed him, not only is he going to cost a fortune to acquire, but then you have to factor in the salary cap. Are you prepared to pay 2020 1st+Dobson or Wahlstrom+another piece+at least one of Pulock or Toews? Because you're not signing Barzal for ~$10M, Hall for ~$10M, Pulock for somewhere around $6-7M and Toews for somewhere around $3-4M. It's flat-out impossible.

4. He's 28 now, I'm a little leery about signing an injury-prone player, that will be 29 when his 8 year contract starts, to a deal that carries that kind of cap hit

5. I don't like guys with horse teeth. (frank) him, Couture, and Gary Dell'abate."

1. Yeah , I figured that one out..
2 & 3- If Hall is not going to do a sign and trade like Stone last year and it sounds like his agent is intent on having him become a UFA this summer than their is ZERO shot it is going to cost that much for a rental.
4. He just turned 28 and I never said I wanted to sign him to a long term contract Mr. Cap worry guy.
5. Our Captain has horse teeth...

as u were..
- niteislander

Duchene was traded, as a rental, for a first and two pretty good prospects (and a another conditional first if he re-signed in CBJ). Hall is probably more talented than Duchene, albeit at a less important position.

Evander Kane cost a 1st + 4th + minor leaguer for SJS to get from BUF, and he's a significantly less talented player than Hall.

The Jets gave up a 1st for Statsny as a rental.

Someone is giving up a 1st + two other assets of some value to take Hall as a rental, this happens almost every single year. There's plenty of precedent that shows high quality players are worth, at least, a 1st round pick and some spare parts. A player of Hall's caliber should fetch a pretty nice return, even if it's just as a rental. Not saying it'd have to be 1st+Dobson+Wahlstrom obviously, but we're not getting him for a 1st round pick by itself.

If Devils clean house much rather have Palmieri on Barzal's RW and he got another year on his contract. Good fit till Wahlstrom is ready. The need is more for a 3rd line center now unless Brassard is moved back to center if not Lou should look at guys like Tierney on Ottawa or Ryan of Flames to fill third line center void.

Barzal- Palmieri- Lee
Nelson-Eberle-Beau
Brassard-Bailey-dal Cole/ Kamarov
Cizikas-Cullterbuck-Martin or........


Barazl-Bailey-Lee
Nelson-Brassard-Beau
Ryan or Tierney-Eberle- dal cole/Kamarov
Cizikas-Cullerbuck-Martin

If Devils clean house much rather have Palmieri on Barzal's RW and he got another year on his contract. Good fit till Wahlstrom is ready. The need is more for a 3rd line center now unless Brassard is moved back to center if not Lou should look at guys like Tierney on Ottawa or Ryan of Flames to fill third line center void.
- gizzy77

If Nashville can't climb back up the standings, or are going to try and clear some room for Hall, I'd be very interested in Mikael Granlund. I like the idea of Tierney too, although don't have a clue what the ask would be.

edit: Assuming Buffalo goes right ahead and Buffalo's the rest of this season, I wonder if Johansson would be interested in accepting a trade here (he is signed through the end of 2020-21 season @ $4.5M and has a 10-team no-trade list). Shouldn't cost a ton and he'd be good and versatile depth.

This was a bad idea, nevermind

Interesting read! I didnt know much about Greco before. No mention to goalie guru, Mitch Korn though. As "Director of Goaltending", how hands-on is Korn in player development?

Duchene was traded, as a rental, for a first and two pretty good prospects (and a another conditional first if he re-signed in CBJ). Hall is probably more talented than Duchene, albeit at a less important position.

Evander Kane cost a 1st + 4th + minor leaguer for SJS to get from BUF, and he's a significantly less talented player than Hall.

The Jets gave up a 1st for Statsny as a rental.

Someone is giving up a 1st + two other assets of some value to take Hall as a rental, this happens almost every single year. There's plenty of precedent that shows high quality players are worth, at least, a 1st round pick and some spare parts. A player of Hall's caliber should fetch a pretty nice return, even if it's just as a rental. Not saying it'd have to be 1st+Dobson+Wahlstrom obviously, but we're not getting him for a 1st round pick by itself.
- eichiefs9

If I can get Hall for one of Aho, Bellows, Kouv, and a first .. yes please.

As I said yesterday when I started this... if the Isles give up this year's first and a mid range prospect (not Whal, Dobson, Halmstrom...etc.) I am fine with it for a rental.

- Wildschwein

lol

Ding ding ding, chiefs vs niteislander
- Upstate_isles

we disagree quite often.. I don't think it ever gets too heated though .. sorry

Mark Masters
@markhmasters
Auston Matthews: "We just folded, kind of just quit ... we can't be doing that, not to a guy like Freddie, not to our starting goalie. Have to have a little more pride than that."

I get so excited when they get smoked.. it's almost as fun as an Isles win to me.

If I can get Hall for one of Aho, Bellows, Kouv, and a first .. yes please.

As I said yesterday when I started this... if the Isles give up this year's first and a mid range prospect (not Whal, Dobson, Halmstrom...etc.) I am fine with it for a rental.
- niteislander

You said just a first yesterday which I thought was pretty unrealistic. This is probably a little more in line with what his cost will be, although my personal opinion is that he'll cost a bit more than a 1st and one mid-tier prospect.

I'm also not entirely sold on the idea that Shero is particularly keen on trading him to a division/geographical rival. I think for the Islanders to land him they'd have to offer the Devils the absolute clear-cut best package. But that's just my own speculation/guess.

If we're talking pure rental, I think I'd be comfortable with 1st + Iskhakov + Aho. I'm not really against trading Holmstrom either, he appears to be incredibly injury-prone and if they can sell high on him now then it might not be the worst decision.

/Cam Robinson/
@Hockey_Robinson
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10h
Most points through first 100 career games played (last 20 years)

Crosby 132
Ovechkin 128
Malkin 114
McDavid 108
Stastny 100
Barzal 99
Pettersson 98
P. Kane 96
Panarin 95
Matthews 90

this is pretty incredible.

https://twitter.com/hccsk...tatus/1202278743533924352

https://twitter.com/hccska/status/1202278743533924352


- eichiefs9

What are you going to do if he doesn't come over next year?

What are you going to do if he doesn't come over next year?
- JimmyP

I'll be disappointed, but it's clear the Isles success isn't hinging on him coming.

But given the reports that he's not negotiating an extension with CSKA because he wants to play in the NHL, the fact that the Isles signed Varly (who shares the same agent as Sorokin), and the prior reports speculating that he's likely to come over...I'm confident he will.

Maybe I end up way off-base, but I really think he has star potential. Imagine a top-notch goalie playing behind a team defense that has made three rather pedestrian goalies into some of the better ones in the league

I'll be disappointed, but it's clear the Isles success isn't hinging on him coming.

But given the reports that he's not negotiating an extension with CSKA because he wants to play in the NHL, the fact that the Isles signed Varly (who shares the same agent as Sorokin), and the prior reports speculating that he's likely to come over...I'm confident he will.

Maybe I end up way off-base, but I really think he has star potential. Imagine a top-notch goalie playing behind a team defense that has made three rather pedestrian goalies into some of the better ones in the league
- eichiefs9

It could be special. I'm still skeptical. Even if he comes over there is no guarantee he will live up to expectations.

I'll be disappointed, but it's clear the Isles success isn't hinging on him coming.

But given the reports that he's not negotiating an extension with CSKA because he wants to play in the NHL, the fact that the Isles signed Varly (who shares the same agent as Sorokin), and the prior reports speculating that he's likely to come over...I'm confident he will.

Maybe I end up way off-base, but I really think he has star potential. Imagine a top-notch goalie playing behind a team defense that has made three rather pedestrian goalies into some of the better ones in the league
- eichiefs9

As cpt said recently, Greiss was a pretty good goalie before the arrival of Lou Lam, Trotz, Korn, etc. He backstopped the Isles, playing under Cappy, to their first playoff round win in nearly a quarter century...........and stood on his head doing do. That isn't to say that he hasn't improved with the new regime. He is much more consistent now, and credit certainly goes to the team's commitment to defense, as well as the new goalie coaches. And I agree with you that it will be interesting to see what they are able to achieve with Sorokin.

How much of a cap hit do you think Sorokin will eat up?

It could be special. I'm still skeptical. Even if he comes over there is no guarantee he will live up to expectations.
- JimmyP

Yeah there's definitely no guarantee. But he's been a legitimate superstar in the KHL and the Islanders goaltending coach staff is obviously one of, if not the, best in the league.

If I was looking for reasons to be skeptical, I'd probably say that it's possible some of his success is due to playing for one of the perennial top, and most well-funded, teams in the KHL. CSKA can afford to pay top talent and they're almost always a very strong team.

But things are pretty optimistic in Islander country these days so I'm still betting on him. He's had a sub-2.00 GAA since his trade from his hometown team to CSKA back in 2014-15 season. His "worst" save percentage since then has been .929

As cpt said recently, Greiss was a pretty good goalie before the arrival of Lou Lam, Trotz, Korn, etc. He backstopped the Isles, playing under Cappy, to their first playoff round win in nearly a quarter century...........and stood on his head doing do. That isn't to say that he hasn't improved with the new regime. He is much more consistent now, and credit certainly goes to the team's commitment to defense, as well as the new goalie coaches. And I agree with you that it will be interesting to see what they are able to achieve with Sorokin.

How much of a cap hit do you think Sorokin will eat up?
- JohnScammo

He doesn't have to sign an ELC because he'll be 25 as of September 15th, so I think it's kind of a crap shoot.

Pure guess: Something in the range of what Greiss is making over maybe 2-3 years. I'll say two years, $7M total for a cap hit of $3.5M. I'm guessing he'll want one year and the Isles will want three so they'll settle on two.

He doesn't have to sign an ELC because he'll be 25 as of September 15th, so I think it's kind of a crap shoot.

Pure guess: Something in the range of what Greiss is making over maybe 2-3 years. I'll say two years, $7M total for a cap hit of $3.5M. I'm guessing he'll want one year and the Isles will want three so they'll settle on two.
- eichiefs9

In his shoes I think I would want more than one year. One year would be risky given the amount of changes he will be facing. Plus he probably wouldn't be the starter right out of the gate. 2-3 years seems fair. If he is a superstar then he will get a big contract in the NHL. If not he can go back to the KHL while he's still in his 20's and get a good contract there.