Not sure what to do with this one, so Ill just quote it.
- kwolf68

Didn’t we cough up a 2nd or 3rd rounder for Runblad? Woof....

B panarin should got the hawks a lot more than saad. Anderson jenner and top d prospect would been a better trade but we don't what was discussed. Pertaining to that trade. Bickell should have been bought out that list just shows how much bowman has messed up.
- Scott1977

This

Also should have gotten a better deal for Sharp at that time. And the Danault trade was very bad. Not a fan of the Hammer trade either.

Awesome work, Foxy!! Have you seen Vlasic this yr as a freshman at Boston U? Saw 2 periods of a game and liked what I saw. Coach is allowing the big kid to jump in. So he's honing his offensive skills and at 6ft 6in he has NHL size for sure.
- Mr Ricochet

Thank, Rico!

I haven't seen full game action of Vlasic besides a few highlight clips here and there. My hope for both him and Regula are for them to be strong skaters who know how to start a quick breakout to clear the zone as well as defend in many different ways, i.e. using their large frames, taking the body, stick checking, managing gaps, etc.

Any offense is icing on the cake especially if they are potentially paired with offensive types like Boqvist or prospects like Mitchell, Beaudin, and Krys who are developing into D-men who could be equally solid in both ends.

This

Also should have gotten a better deal for Sharp at that time. And the Danault trade was very bad. Not a fan of the Hammer trade either.
- SimpleJack

Danault trade hurts the most. 18 minutes a night in all situations on pace for 60 points for Montreal.

Danault trade hurts the most. 18 minutes a night in all situations on pace for 60 points for Montreal.
- EnzoD

I don’t know, losing Teravainen was pretty bad too.

I don’t know, losing Teravainen was pretty bad too.
- DarthKane

Agreed but if you’re building a team I take the 60 point 2C that can play PP, PK, or line matchups over the 65-70 point finesse Winger.

No worries, Bettman needs the Hawks to be good so no way they don’t draft in the Top 5 again next summer!

Both Danault and TT fell out of favor with Q. So in hindsight, when you complain about the Blackhawks lacking depth or not having a great prospect pool, you need look no further then Q’s relationship with younger talent and the jettisoning of that talent because they were not Q players. Q damaged this organization with his stupidity.

Both Danault and TT fell out of favor with Q. So in hindsight, when you complain about the Blackhawks lacking depth or not having a great prospect pool, you need look no further then Q’s relationship with younger talent and the jettisoning of that talent because they were not Q players. Q damaged this organization with his stupidity.
- gifman

Too bad we couldn't give Toews to have either Danault or Teravainen back

Both Danault and TT fell out of favor with Q. So in hindsight, when you complain about the Blackhawks lacking depth or not having a great prospect pool, you need look no further then Q’s relationship with younger talent and the jettisoning of that talent because they were not Q players. Q damaged this organization with his stupidity.
- gifman

Bowman is the worst GM in history - Q damaged the organization - McDonough is a meddler who can’t stay out of on-ice situations - Rocky enables it al - Cornellison is an egomaniacal butcher of the National Anthem....(well, I actually agree with the last one)

How did they ever win 3 Cups and get to 2 other Final Fours?

“Q damaged this organization with his stupidity”?

What the (frank) is wrong with you people?

Bowman is the worst GM in history - Q damaged the organization - McDonough is a meddler who can’t stay out of on-ice situations - Rocky enables it al - Cornellison is an egomaniacal butcher of the National Anthem....(well, I actually agree with the last one)

How did they ever win 3 Cups and get to 2 other Final Fours?

“Q damaged this organization with his stupidity”?

What the (frank) is wrong with you people?
- StLBravesFan

What is wrong with you? There has been plenty of evidence over the years Q shares in the responsibility of the state of the Blackhawks. If he knew how to handle young talent we wouldn’t be in this mess and watching our guys excel elsewhere.

Bowman is the worst GM in history - Q damaged the organization - McDonough is a meddler who can’t stay out of on-ice situations - Rocky enables it al - Cornellison is an egomaniacal butcher of the National Anthem....(well, I actually agree with the last one)

How did they ever win 3 Cups and get to 2 other Final Fours?

“Q damaged this organization with his stupidity”?

What the (frank) is wrong with you people?
- StLBravesFan

Watch yourself, Don Cherry.

Watch yourself, Don Cherry.
- I Am The Breadman

Please, no cancel culture here!

Hawks are going to have to make a call soon

http://ntv.ca/former-nhl-...lly-and-verbally-abusive/

They already look like they did no due diligence in the hiring and/or just overlooked the stories.

What is wrong with you? There has been plenty of evidence over the years Q shares in the responsibility of the state of the Blackhawks. If he knew how to handle young talent we wouldn’t be in this mess and watching our guys excel elsewhere.
- gifman

Which young players did Q run off - which young players have been moved out by Bowman - who have been important successes elsewhere?

Danault, yes - moved in a TDL deal that absolutely didn’t work out - but the deal was what TDL moves are - a prospect with potential and a pick for presumably immediate short-term help. Danault was 1+4=5 points in 30 games here that season in fourth-line minutes.

Teravainen was playing middle-six minutes before being used as a necessary sweetener in moving Bickell’s contract - he played 78 games for Q that last season, 15 minutes per game.

Wish both were still here, especially since the return for them wasn’t good - but it doesn’t seem that Q couldn’t handle them.

Leddy played 2nd-3rd pairing minutes here behind a loaded defense at the time - he had to be moved for cap reasons.

Schmaltz is playing well in the desert - but they got value back for him. Hartman playing 4th line minutes for his third team since playing for Q - with less production.

Which other players that Q mishandled are excelling elsewhere? I don’t see any all-stars - or top-line (except for TT) / top-pairing (maybe Leddy) skaters excelling for other teams whose careers took off after leaving Q.

Meanwhile - important young Cup-contributors developed their careers here under Q - Saad, Shaw, Hjalmarsson, Kruger, Crawford, add Bickell. You could even include Kane and Toews and Versteeg - who were both 20 and in their second NHL seasons when Q took over.

Yeah - what is wrong with you people.

Hawks are going to have to make a call soon

http://ntv.ca/former-nhl-...lly-and-verbally-abusive/

They already look like they did no due diligence in the hiring and/or just overlooked the stories.
- pdx2ord

Chelios and Franzen are talking about how Babcock verbally abused Franzen. Pretty soon substantially all hockey coaches over the age of 50 will be gone.

Wonder if there are any Q stories out there? Or Scotty Bowman?. Probably the way the whole Detroit organization treated Ted Lindsay after he tried to start the NHLPA would have to resign.

Which young players did Q run off - which young players have been moved out by Bowman - who have been important successes elsewhere?

Danault, yes - moved in a TDL deal that absolutely didn’t work out - but the deal was what TDL moves are - a prospect with potential and a pick for presumably immediate short-term help. Danault was 1+4=5 points in 30 games here that season in fourth-line minutes.

Teravainen was playing middle-six minutes before being used as a necessary sweetener in moving Bickell’s contract - he played 78 games for Q that last season, 15 minutes per game.

Wish both were still here, especially since the return for them wasn’t good - but it doesn’t seem that Q couldn’t handle them.

Leddy played 2nd-3rd pairing minutes here behind a loaded defense at the time - he had to be moved for cap reasons.

Schmaltz is playing well in the desert - but they got value back for him. Hartman playing 4th line minutes for his third team since playing for Q - with less production.

Which other players that Q mishandled are excelling elsewhere? I don’t see any all-stars - or top-line (except for TT) / top-pairing (maybe Leddy) skaters excelling for other teams whose careers took off after leaving Q.

Meanwhile - important young Cup-contributors developed their careers here under Q - Saad, Shaw, Hjalmarsson, Kruger, Crawford, add Bickell. You could even include Kane and Toews and Versteeg - who were both 20 and in their second NHL seasons when Q took over.

Yeah - what is wrong with you people.
- StLBravesFan

Kempny has been a fixture in Washington's top 6 and won a Cup immediately after being chased out of town for the princely sum of a 3rd rd. draft choice. He'd look pretty good here right about now... The much maligned Trevor Daley was an important contributor for the Pens' last 2 Cups and was turned into the corpse of Rob Scuderi and later Christian Ehrhoff because Q didn't like his game.

Overall, I agree with your point- it worked very well here to the tune of 3 Cups in 6 seasons, until it didn't...

Agreed he does not have to retain Salary to move Saad. However, Cap restrictions for many Contending Teams could allow more teams to be in the running for Saad at $4mil, therefore garnering a much greater trade return.

I love Saad when he is on his game, but he disappears for long stretches, is not a true 1LW, and is one of the only trade chips to get high end assets in return. Saad on your 3rd line for a playoff team is a HUGE boost to your Cup chances.
- EnzoD

What is his game? He is the furthest thing from a playmaker. And his finishing leaves a lot to be desired. What exactly the (frank) is he? Sure, he's big and fast. But he's up there with Seabrook and Toews in the overpaid department if you ask me.

"No human can with stand that many hits". yea, ok. anybody here ever play football? Many collisions every play. Thought it to be a bogus comment then, still do now.
- BobP.

There's no question that Kessler was bragging, but look where he is now-- almost irreparable hip damage that has ended his career.

Kempny has been a fixture in Washington's top 6 and won a Cup immediately after being chased out of town for the princely sum of a 3rd rd. draft choice. He'd look pretty good here right about now... The much maligned Trevor Daley was an important contributor for the Pens' last 2 Cups and was turned into the corpse of Rob Scuderi and later Christian Ehrhoff because Q didn't like his game.

Overall, I agree with your point- it worked very well here to the tune of 3 Cups in 6 seasons, until it didn't...
- Davewn

Yes - I forgot about Kempny - playing 2nd pair minutes for the Caps. The organization (including Q) was wrong on him.

And I may have missed one or two others - can’t think of any important ones.

Point is, to me - Q got more out of young players here than other coaches have gotten out of ex-Hawks there on balance and in total.

Three Cups under a hard cap with high turnover after each - says something about Q and Stan that they were able to re-tool after bad seasons in 2011 and 2012 into a second three-year run from 2013-15.

Not that either is the right person for the current situation, but you can’t take away from what they accomplished over seven seasons.

Fact of the matter is, you can look at the aging core and what they cost. THose guys cannot carry the load anymore with the exception of 88 and 2.

I will say this however, after the third cup, I find it very hard to believe that there is a GM in the league that wouldnt have paid 19-88 what they did. THose guys earned every penny despite not living up to that ticket 4 years later. 19 much more so then 88. We were rolling and suffered cataclysmic losses to our depth with Strome, and now Keith injured. Mix in the loss of 65, 91 and 5 for parts of the year and you have a rough road ahead. We don't play in a lollipop division either and that has made the injuries stand out that much more.

Chelios and Franzen are talking about how Babcock verbally abused Franzen. Pretty soon substantially all hockey coaches over the age of 50 will be gone.

Wonder if there are any Q stories out there? Or Scotty Bowman?. Probably the way the whole Detroit organization treated Ted Lindsay after he tried to start the NHLPA would have to resign.
- LAHawk

Good news is that, so far, Q seems to get glowing reviews. Carcillo has been a crusader on this stuff for a while now and he mentions Q as "by far" the best coach he's ever had. So, it is possible to be a hardass, gruff, respected, if slightly scary, coach without demeaning or physically abusing your players.

Scotty Bowman? All I've seen so far is reports of his playing mind games with players.

Good news is that, so far, Q seems to get glowing reviews. Carcillo has been a crusader on this stuff for a while now and he mentions Q as "by far" the best coach he's ever had. So, it is possible to be a hardass, gruff, respected, if slightly scary, coach without demeaning or physically abusing your players.

Scotty Bowman? All I've seen so far is reports of his playing mind games with players.
- pdx2ord

You mean treating other people like human beings regardless if it's athletics or day-to-day life?

You mean treating other people like human beings regardless if it's athletics or day-to-day life?
- Rota's Rooter

Yes, crazy expectation, huh?

"No human can with stand that many hits". yea, ok. anybody here ever play football? Many collisions every play. Thought it to be a bogus comment then, still do now.
- BobP.

Oh, and with Shaw, Strome, and Caggiula all in concussion protocol right now, we can file your comment under Hammy's big, red, curly tail.

Bowman is the worst GM in history - Q damaged the organization - McDonough is a meddler who can’t stay out of on-ice situations - Rocky enables it al - Cornellison is an egomaniacal butcher of the National Anthem....(well, I actually agree with the last one)

How did they ever win 3 Cups and get to 2 other Final Fours?

“Q damaged this organization with his stupidity”?

What the (frank) is wrong with you people?
- StLBravesFan

Mind boggling I tell you. We won three cups, the cap went down, we had low or no first round picks, and now we want another cup NOW! We are a bubble team for the reasons above, not sure what the board expects. We have some good young players coming up, we have some good young players already up, young players are inconsistent, we are what we are, but we will get better. We don’t have team depth at this time, so a bubble team with injuries is a challenge for sure.