From The a fox List I’m most surprised about Beuadin and Boqvist ranks.

While there seems to be a rumor that the Hawks have soured on Sikura and I know some on these boards don't particularly care for him, I for one see him as being a good fit for the big club so that's why I didn't place him in that list of current prospects who will find work elsewhere.

Playing for another team could still be in Sikura's future, but again, I think his 200 foot game, vision, hockey IQ, skill, and persistent motor can be valuable to the Hawks whether later this season or next one.
- AEL_Fox

I agree.

This season will soon be a write off - concerned as a loyal fan that we will be guided going forward by the management dream team that put us here-

If lack of skill is on the GM - do the Math

I agree.
- StLBravesFan

With extremely disappointing times upon this organization, I'm interested in what the board thinks started this horrific decline :

A. 4 game sweep by Nashville in
April 2017 after winning the
Division.
B. The trade of Panarin for Saad
and others that followed that.
C. The Seabrook contract
D. The Bickell / TT trade to
Carolina
E. The Q firing/JC hiring.
F. The Crawford concussions

Wow. .....there's a few more that I could add to this but why bother.
For me.......one stands out but I'm curious what others think.

From the last one:

Seabrook is still a very good outlet passer. Good shot blocker too.

If Seabrook and Maata (at 25yrs old, lol)
are "too slow", how did PITT manage to win 2 cups with him? How did the Hawks win cups with Sopel or Rozsival?

The 'slow' thing is a poor argument when there are examples over examples of "slow players" hurting a team
- PatShart


Sopel and Rozy killed penalties and played 11 minutes/night. Leddy did a lot to cover the stuff dumped behind him and move the puck out of the zone.

Seabrook can make an outlet pass if no one is near him and he has a few seconds to make a decision. Not the player he was by a margin and that includes the stretch pass.

Campbell/Hammer and Seabrook/Keith played the important minutes in the playoffs and later Oduya replaced Soup. The plodders weren't playing major minutes just providing a spell.

The slow argument is a good one. Neither Matta or Seabrook can move away from a defender to make a pass or carry the puck themselves. Maybe paired with a quicker player who could keep teams honest (like matta had Letang maybe) those guys are serviceable i guess.

But not 2 extremely slow guys with 2 defensive defensemen who are average skaters a 36 year old who thinks he's 25 and whatever garbage Gus or CooCoo bring. Poor team building.

The horrid play starts at the blueline and until that is addressed or they start to pack it in they will continue to struggle against speed. Not to mention just about every competent coach has had his way with JC for the most part.

With extremely disappointing times upon this organization, I'm interested in what the board thinks started this horrific decline :

A. 4 game sweep by Nashville in
April 2017 after winning the
Division.
B. The trade of Panarin for Saad
and others that followed that.
C. The Seabrook contract
D. The Bickell / TT trade to
Carolina
E. The Q firing/JC hiring.
F. The Crawford concussions

Wow. .....there's a few more that I could add to this but why bother.
For me.......one stands out but I'm curious what others think.
- Hawkytalk

A

A
- pdx2ord

B

Except Sopel played about 15min a game (18min a game in the playoffs) and Rozy played 18min a game....a bit more than 11min

With extremely disappointing times upon this organization, I'm interested in what the board thinks started this horrific decline :

A. 4 game sweep by Nashville in
April 2017 after winning the
Division.
B. The trade of Panarin for Saad
and others that followed that.
C. The Seabrook contract
D. The Bickell / TT trade to
Carolina
E. The Q firing/JC hiring.
F. The Crawford concussions

Wow. .....there's a few more that I could add to this but why bother.
For me.......one stands out but I'm curious what others think.
- Hawkytalk

Decent list, but there are more that certainly could be added to this list. And as I thought about it, so many are simply like dominoes. One bad decision led to another and another and another. Each one compounding the mistake or mistakes before. I would point to the off-season after the 2013 Cup that ended up having such a ripple effect on the team. The second wave I would submit came with the Seabrook contract and again, its ripple effect.

With extremely disappointing times upon this organization, I'm interested in what the board thinks started this horrific decline :

A. 4 game sweep by Nashville in
April 2017 after winning the
Division.
B. The trade of Panarin for Saad
and others that followed that.
C. The Seabrook contract
D. The Bickell / TT trade to
Carolina
E. The Q firing/JC hiring.
F. The Crawford concussions

Wow. .....there's a few more that I could add to this but why bother.
For me.......one stands out but I'm curious what others think.
- Hawkytalk

Gustafsson’s turn over in G7 against STL that lead to the series winning goal.

Gustafsson’s turn over in G7 against STL that lead to the series winning goal.
- scottak

That was a Gus? are you sure?

Edit - just ckd and he was #52 that game - now wonder he switched to #56 - play hasnt changed

Gustafsson’s turn over in G7 against STL that lead to the series winning goal.
- scottak

oooooo - good one

Decent list, but there are more that certainly could be added to this list. And as I thought about it, so many are simply like dominoes. One bad decision led to another and another and another. Each one compounding the mistake or mistakes before. I would point to the off-season after the 2013 Cup that ended up having such a ripple effect on the team. The second wave I would submit came with the Seabrook contract and again, its ripple effect.
- savvyone-1

It all came unraveled when they traded Leddy. Unrecoverable.

Decent list, but there are more that certainly could be added to this list. And as I thought about it, so many are simply like dominoes. One bad decision led to another and another and another. Each one compounding the mistake or mistakes before. I would point to the off-season after the 2013 Cup that ended up having such a ripple effect on the team. The second wave I would submit came with the Seabrook contract and again, its ripple effect.
- savvyone-1

Agree, Savvy. There isn't one specific catalyst that points to a decline. Each one had an effect & took its toll on the team (or core because there were plenty of moving pieces.) If you want to call it dominoes or whatever, that's fine. There are plenty of happenings that went unmentioned, which you pointed out, like losing Hossa. Why can't we just say an aging core with a batch of young players finding their roles/place in the line-up? It's kind of been like that for awhile now.

I can’t wait to see Entwistle in a Blackhawk sweater.

With extremely disappointing times upon this organization, I'm interested in what the board thinks started this horrific decline :

A. 4 game sweep by Nashville in
April 2017 after winning the
Division.
B. The trade of Panarin for Saad
and others that followed that.
C. The Seabrook contract
D. The Bickell / TT trade to
Carolina
E. The Q firing/JC hiring.
F. The Crawford concussions

Wow. .....there's a few more that I could add to this but why bother.
For me.......one stands out but I'm curious what others think.
- Hawkytalk

the hawks beating the bolts G6 for the cup. They made that cup run on sheer experience, guts, will and the heart of a champions.

The toews/kane big contracts kicked in the following. The salary dumps licked in and they were done.

With extremely disappointing times upon this organization, I'm interested in what the board thinks started this horrific decline :

A. 4 game sweep by Nashville in
April 2017 after winning the
Division.
B. The trade of Panarin for Saad
and others that followed that.
C. The Seabrook contract
D. The Bickell / TT trade to
Carolina
E. The Q firing/JC hiring.
F. The Crawford concussions

Wow. .....there's a few more that I could add to this but why bother.
For me.......one stands out but I'm curious what others think.
- Hawkytalk

A

With extremely disappointing times upon this organization, I'm interested in what the board thinks started this horrific decline :

A. 4 game sweep by Nashville in
April 2017 after winning the
Division.
B. The trade of Panarin for Saad
and others that followed that.
C. The Seabrook contract
D. The Bickell / TT trade to
Carolina
E. The Q firing/JC hiring.
F. The Crawford concussions

Wow. .....there's a few more that I could add to this but why bother.
For me.......one stands out but I'm curious what others think.
- Hawkytalk

B panarin should got the hawks a lot more than saad. Anderson jenner and top d prospect would been a better trade but we don't what was discussed. Pertaining to that trade. Bickell should have been bought out that list just shows how much bowman has messed up.

the hawks beating the bolts G6 for the cup. They made that cup run on sheer experience, guts, will and the heart of a champions.

The toews/kane big contracts kicked in the following. The salary dumps licked in and they were done.
- bogiedoc

Keith was an absolute monster in that series. Maybe the best I have seen a d-men play in a 7 game series.

One guys commitment and fitness I will never question. Sadly he has lost a step and cannot play the same style that made him so dominant. Unfortunate he never really developed a point shot. If he had, I think he probably has a few more Norris trophies.

B panarin should got the hawks a lot more than saad. Anderson jenner and top d prospect would been a better trade but we don't what was discussed. Pertaining to that trade. Bickell should have been bought out that list just shows how much bowman has messed up.
- Scott1977

Although the Panarin trade is horrible is has to be C. That Seabrook contract is absolutely killing the hawks. That is 7 mil that could be spent on a legit top 2 d-men. If the Hawks had let him go to free agency I don't think anyone would have given him that contract.

It all came unraveled when they traded Leddy. Unrecoverable.
- mohel

No. But it was certainly one of the dominoes.
After the 2013 CUP, Blowman rushed to sign Rozy in early July, 2013 for $4.4M, 2 yr contract. IIRC, Oduya had the ankle injury (he was signed to a 3 yr deal the year before, 2012) and there was a question if he'd be ready for the season or exactly when.

Rozy would turn 35 in Sept that yr -- certainly not washed up and very serviceable, but clearly, there was not 1 single D at that time (or since) that was a top 4 candidate. I won't go through all the D that have come (and gone) since then. At that time, Leddy was only 22 and still had 1 yr left on his contract.

My point here is not Leddy (him here by himself would certainly not change this season's or last season's outlook). It was the series of dominoes and the fact that we sit here with Keith and Seabrook in mid-30's, Matta still young but slow, Murphy relatively young too but certainly slow. And nothing else. It's going to take at least 1 yr if not more to see Boqvist or Beaudin develop into top 4 or top 2 if that is their ceiling (who knows at this point).

Waiting until the last minute to trade Nick, rushing to sign Rozy who was already 35. Then signing Seabrook to a (frank)ing 8 yr agreement for nearly $7M. This is what I mean by dominoes. IMO, you could look at forwards too but the D decisions have been critical and have been piss-poor at best.

The way I see the Hawks this year,the whole team is playing bad except Kane,and maybe our 2 goalies.Cat to me is a different player.I really can’t explain it.Toews had his best year last year and this year he is back to playing like he did 2years ago.He is taken stupid penalty’s nearly every game,showing frustration with complaining to the refs.Shaw had a great year last year with the Habs,this year he isn’t playing that great.The power play stinks again.Gus even though not a good defencemen,picked up a lot of points for us last year,this year blah.The whole team is just not playing the way we thought they can.

It all came unraveled when they traded Leddy. Unrecoverable.
- mohel

I think it started with the playoffs in 2015 with the Ducks. Those mofos beat the living daylights out of the boys, and even though they won the cup that year, the core hasn't been themselves since.

Although the Panarin trade is horrible is has to be C. That Seabrook contract is absolutely killing the hawks. That is 7 mil that could be spent on a legit top 2 d-men. If the Hawks had let him go to free agency I don't think anyone would have given him that contract.
- bhawks2241

Yep that's bad to but rocky mcduff and bowman all signed off on that one. Seabrook imo should have been traded after the 15th cup win. But its all hindsight now.

Except Sopel played about 15min a game (18min a game in the playoffs) and Rozy played 18min a game....a bit more than 11min
- PatShart

You are correct. So im half wrong. Still have two very mobile puck movers (one for sure HOF player) and two bigger fellers who moved well and could make an outlet pass.

Still a lot more talent and mobility overall