Per Josh Yohe: Hornqvist has a knee injury and will be out about a month

Per Josh Yohe: Hornqvist has a knee injury and will be out about a month
- WSCTeton17

Fake news. It’s a core muscle injury.

TSN suggests NJ will want a top-end prospect for Hall. Now, without considering what other teams could offer, does Addison constitute a top-end prospect?

does Addison constitute a top-end prospect?
- Rinosaur

Lets hear Tojo.'s input, he is our prospects expert. But i guess you will not like his answer...

TSN suggests NJ will want a top-end prospect for Hall. Now, without considering what other teams could offer, does Addison constitute a top-end prospect?
- Rinosaur

Send them all 3 (Poulin, Legare, Addison) and hope Hall re-signs, at least for one more season. I think this year and next are "the window."

Send them all 3 (Poulin, Legare, Addison) and hope Hall re-signs, at least for one more season. I think this year and next are "the window."
- Hockey66

For a rental? Eff that. If he agrees to a long term contract.....sure. I disagree about the window. It can be extended if they're careful with the cap management and a couple prospects come through. Can't give Murray 7+. Can't give Schultz 6+.

For a rental? Eff that. If he agrees to a long term contract.....sure. I disagree about the window. It can be extended if they're careful with the cap management and a couple prospects come through. Can't give Murray 7+. Can't give Schultz 6+.
- madmike71

I think the most they should offer is a 1st and Addison, but also try to get them to take Galch off their hands.

For a rental? Eff that. If he agrees to a long term contract.....sure. I disagree about the window. It can be extended if they're careful with the cap management and a couple prospects come through. Can't give Murray 7+. Can't give Schultz 6+.
- madmike71

Yeah, if we can get just one more year of Hall, I do it.

Murray will get $7M+ from someone and Schultz is as good as gone (and I doubt anyone gives him $5M, including the Pens, or at least I don't think they should).

If you think Crosby, Malkin, Letang and Horny will still be Cup contenders at ages 35-36, you have more faith in them than I do. We might still have $8.6M tied up in 35-36 year old boat anchors Horny and JJ. Face it, Malkin and Letang are already slipping and Crosby is coming off major surgery. Our prospect pool is thin so I wouldn't expect a bunch of ELC heroes, which we'll need barring major moves.

I think the most they should offer is a 1st and Addison, but also try to get them to take Galch off their hands.
- Rinosaur

So a 1st around pick around #20, the #53 pick from a year ago, and struggling Galch for whom they might not get much at the deadline? You will need to offer more than that because there will be 10+ other teams who can top that easily.

So a 1st around pick around #20, the #53 pick from a year ago, and struggling Galch for whom they might not get much at the deadline? You will need to offer more than that because there will be 10+ other teams who can top that easily.
- Hockey66

I don’t think the Pens have much more to offer.

I don’t think the Pens have much more to offer.
- Rinosaur

An additional 1st and/or additional top prospect, which I would be fine with. Hall is elite and the chances of these 20ish draft picks or any of these 3 prospects amounting to anything is pretty low.

I think JR should inquire, if possible (I don't know the rules about this), if Hall is interested in signing a long-term deal prior to making the trade. This would also be in NJ's interest as a "sign-and-trade" or an agreement about an extension would greatly increase Hall's value.

All of this being said, I wish Hall was a RW as that is way more needed by the Pens and it would allow Hall to get first line minutes, which he absolutely should. On the other hand, Malkin would get his winger and Hall could take Kessel's spot on the PP (I assume, I could be wrong about that).

My guess is JR is targeting a second-tier RW and/or LD, which I agree with that approach.

Face it, Malkin and Letang are already slipping and Crosby is coming off major surgery. Our prospect pool is thin so I wouldn't expect a bunch of ELC heroes, which we'll need barring major moves.
- Hockey66

Also think our windows is heavily closing, but performance of team ytd despite all injuries makes hope for more. In each case they play entertaining high event hockey!

TSN suggests NJ will want a top-end prospect for Hall. Now, without considering what other teams could offer, does Addison constitute a top-end prospect?
- Rinosaur

Addison would probably be considered a rung or two below a guy like Erik Brannstrom who was the key guy in the Stone trade so he's being used.

I think Addison and a first could get them in the conversation, but someone else will likely offer better. He does seem the type Shero would like maybe more than most though.

Yeah, if we can get just one more year of Hall, I do it.

Murray will get $7M+ from someone and Schultz is as good as gone (and I doubt anyone gives him $5M, including the Pens, or at least I don't think they should).

If you think Crosby, Malkin, Letang and Horny will still be Cup contenders at ages 35-36, you have more faith in them than I do. We might still have $8.6M tied up in 35-36 year old boat anchors Horny and JJ. Face it, Malkin and Letang are already slipping and Crosby is coming off major surgery. Our prospect pool is thin so I wouldn't expect a bunch of ELC heroes, which we'll need barring major moves.
- Hockey66

I'd guess this year and the next 2. After that is a big off-season with Malkin, Letang, Rust all up and probably none would be smart deals.

San Jose came pretty close to pulling it off with Burns 34, Pavelski almost 35, and Thornton almost 40 (latter 2 are July birthdays) still being key contributors. It's a lot harder, but if they build youth around them to do the heavy lifting it's possible.

If GMJR keeps finding overlooked young players they can. Added Marino, Pettersson, McCann, and Kahun, all 22-24, for almost nothing in the past year.

After Sid, Malkin, Letang, and Hornqvist, the next oldest key guy is Dumoulin at 28. The youth of the supporting cast gives me some hope, especially I they can find another impact player. But they will need some useful ELC guys to navigate the cap, and that's where they need something in the prospect ranks.

Addison would probably be considered a rung or two below a guy like Erik Brannstrom who was the key guy in the Stone trade so he's being used.

I think Addison and a first could get them in the conversation, but someone else will likely offer better. He does seem the type Shero would like maybe more than most though.
- Tojo.

Yeah, I don't think the defensman-obsessed Shero will be interested in our two decent but not top-rung non-Marino prospects (Addision and POJ). There are so many reasons why the Devils and Pens are not good trade partners that I'm not going to get excited about the possibility.

I think more realistic targets (at RW) could be Saad or Toffoli.

At LD, I think it will be someone underwhelming but still better than what we have at 2/3LD such as Oleksiak or MDZ. I think the Pens are going to get killed with our current LD situation.

I'd guess this year and the next 2. After that is a big off-season with Malkin, Letang, Rust all up and probably none would be smart deals.

San Jose came pretty close to pulling it off with Burns 34, Pavelski almost 35, and Thornton almost 40 (latter 2 are July birthdays) still being key contributors. It's a lot harder, but if they build youth around them to do the heavy lifting it's possible.

If GMJR keeps finding overlooked young players they can. Added Marino, Pettersson, McCann, and Kahun, all 22-24, for almost nothing in the past year.

After Sid, Malkin, Letang, and Hornqvist, the next oldest key guy is Dumoulin at 28. The youth of the supporting cast gives me some hope, especially I they can find another impact player. But they will need some useful ELC guys to navigate the cap, and that's where they need something in the prospect ranks.
- Tojo.

Yeah, I'd go along with this year and two more. But I do think it decreases each successive year. This year almost seems lost due to all of these damn injuries, so I'm pinning most of my hopes at one last Cup next season. I doubt we get Hall and I don't know if we will be healthy enough to compete this year (just making the playoffs is seriously in doubt).

I’d attempt to add Vatanen or Brodie immediately, along with Pageau (depending on the ask).

Depending on how that would shake out I’d then look into Zucker, Toffoli and obviously Hall.

Once healthy they can trim some fat.

I'd guess this year and the next 2. After that is a big off-season with Malkin, Letang, Rust all up and probably none would be smart deals.

San Jose came pretty close to pulling it off with Burns 34, Pavelski almost 35, and Thornton almost 40 (latter 2 are July birthdays) still being key contributors. It's a lot harder, but if they build youth around them to do the heavy lifting it's possible.

If GMJR keeps finding overlooked young players they can. Added Marino, Pettersson, McCann, and Kahun, all 22-24, for almost nothing in the past year.

After Sid, Malkin, Letang, and Hornqvist, the next oldest key guy is Dumoulin at 28. The youth of the supporting cast gives me some hope, especially I they can find another impact player. But they will need some useful ELC guys to navigate the cap, and that's where they need something in the prospect ranks.
- Tojo.

It's definitely possible, but they'd need a couple of prospects to come through like Poulin or Legare to turn into a Guentzal. As you mentioned, Rutherford has added some nice young players already. I think Sid and Geno can be 60/70pt players for a few more years. Replacing Letang will be hugely important however.

Cap management is the key. With these RFA's all demanding more money it's possible a couple of players might come on the market that wouldn't have been available in years past. Gotta have some cap flexibility and not overspend for past performance on guys like Schultz or Murray.

I’d attempt to add Vatanen or Brodie immediately, along with Pageau (depending on the ask).

Depending on how that would shake out I’d then look into Zucker, Toffoli and obviously Hall.

Once healthy they can trim some fat.
- Rinosaur

I'd be surprised if Vatanen isn't re-signed by NJ and Brodie is a RD which is less of a need (not to mention I think he would cost a lot of assets to acquire).

For some reason I thought Pageau signed an extension. I don't know why I thought that - maybe I read they were in discussions or something? Based on his hot start and it's OTT, I'm guessing it would cost the Pens a lot.

Zucker might be a while if the Wild hang around the wild card bubble.

I know you were the first and most consistent in mentioning Toffoli and I think he is the most logical, at least for RW.

I’d attempt to add Vatanen or Brodie immediately, along with Pageau (depending on the ask).

Depending on how that would shake out I’d then look into Zucker, Toffoli and obviously Hall.

Once healthy they can trim some fat.
- Rinosaur

I don't think they could do all that even if they traded all their prospects.

I've read possible 1st rounder for Pageau, I'd pass.

I'd love either if those defensemen. I'm still not sure Brodie is available. Calgary doesn't seem to know what they want to do.

I'd take a swing at Hall, just feels unlikely. The Kings are killing Toffali's value by only playing him 16 minutes and not giving him enough PP time. He may only cost a 3rd, which I'd do since he's still scoring at ES and is a positive possession player.

Minnesota is only 2 points out of a playoff spot with games in hand, so they aren't a sell team yet. Dubnyk leaving the team has helped them go on a run.

It's definitely possible, but they'd need a couple of prospects to come through like Poulin or Legare to turn into a Guentzal. As you mentioned, Rutherford has added some nice young players already. I think Sid and Geno can be 60/70pt players for a few more years. Replacing Letang will be hugely important however.

Cap management is the key. With these RFA's all demanding more money it's possible a couple of players might come on the market that wouldn't have been available in years past. Gotta have some cap flexibility and not overspend for past performance on guys like Schultz or Murray.
- madmike71

Poulin is the prospect I'd try not to move. Pens need more guys who can handle the rough areas but also have top 6 skill with Hornqvist aging and Simon not really an ideal answer.

Poulin is the prospect I'd try not to move. Pens need more guys who can handle the rough areas but also have top 6 skill with Hornqvist aging and Simon not really an ideal answer.
- Tojo.

Hear, hear. Pens have no net-front presence now and it's killing them. No screens, no deflections, no rebounds. It's either one-and-done with a low-risk shot from the outside or a turnover trying to set up a perfect passing play.

I don't think they could do all that even if they traded all their prospects.

I've read possible 1st rounder for Pageau, I'd pass.

I'd love either if those defensemen. I'm still not sure Brodie is available. Calgary doesn't seem to know what they want to do.

I'd take a swing at Hall, just feels unlikely. The Kings are killing Toffali's value by only playing him 16 minutes and not giving him enough PP time. He may only cost a 3rd, which I'd do since he's still scoring at ES and is a positive possession player.

Minnesota is only 2 points out of a playoff spot with games in hand, so they aren't a sell team yet. Dubnyk leaving the team has helped them go on a run.
- Tojo.

Haha - I had to re-read that. I didn't even notice that Rino was suggesting we trade for 3 or more high quality players. I'll be happy if we get one of those guys (in addition to Toffoli who seems like low-hanging fruit).

Why not just offer Murray + whatever but I want miles wood and hall. If we have to give up Simon I’m fine with that. Simon sucks at hockey but I’m sure someone in New Jersey believes in make believe stats too. Simons terrible.

Why not just offer Murray + whatever but I want miles wood and hall. If we have to give up Simon I’m fine with that. Simon sucks at hockey but I’m sure someone in New Jersey believes in make believe stats too. Simons terrible.
- Grinder47

I wouldn't be against offering Murray/Bjugstad/Pick