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opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Nov 30 @ 8:34 PM ET
Giroux 19 points in 27 games
Voracek 20 points 27 games
Couturier 21 points in 27 games
Hayes 13 points in 27 games
JvR 11 points 27 games

I would argue Konecny, Lindholm, Provorov, Niskanen and Elliott have been our best players. Couturier you can put in the mix for positioning and defensive play but he’s had better offensive starts to his seasons.

- SuperSchennBros


I would argue that over the past 5-10 games Giroux, Jake, Hayes have all started to turn it around offensively which is a great sign for the team.

Coots is already driving play and having a great season to this point.

SuperSchennBros
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Nov 30 @ 8:35 PM ET
So those come out to what,
JVR 34
Coots 64
Hayes 40
G 58
Jake 61

Not great for sure, they all should end up better and If the rest just stay consistent, you will have a lot of players with good points

Depth

- wcorvette

Couturier at 64 points isn’t bad but everyone else should be ashamed.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Nov 30 @ 8:49 PM ET
Couturier at 64 points isn’t bad but everyone else should be ashamed.
- SuperSchennBros



Yet as much as you are trying to find something negative the team lead the league in points this month.

SuperSchennBros
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Nov 30 @ 8:53 PM ET
Yet as much as you are trying to find something negative the team lead the league in points this month.
- opeth_pa

It’s not finding, it’s there. The coach pointed out himself the games are too close. We led the league in points and gave points away in the process.

I hate how clueless people on this board can be.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Nov 30 @ 8:57 PM ET
It’s not finding, it’s there. The coach pointed out himself the games are too close. We led the league in points and gave points away in the process.

I hate how clueless people on this board can be.

- SuperSchennBros



I must be clueless then because this was a very successful month for the team regardless of if they gave away points.

If you say anything other than it was then you must be one of the clueless people you hate because :

The Flyers had a league-best 24 points (10-2-4) in November. They registered just their fourth 10-win month in the last decade.
SuperSchennBros
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Nov 30 @ 9:01 PM ET
I must be clueless then because this was a successful month for the team regardless of if they gave away points.
- opeth_pa

Is it ideal to give up a point to Montreal in a points race? Because we let them tie it. What about giving up a 3 goal lead to the islanders?

Yeah, we collected the most points for one month but ignoring the fact we let teams back into games and keep games too close should be a concern for everyone.

If it’s not you, god bless. Live in ignorance.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Nov 30 @ 9:01 PM ET
It’s not finding, it’s there. The coach pointed out himself the games are too close. We led the league in points and gave points away in the process.

I hate how clueless people on this board can be.

- SuperSchennBros


While you are correct, there is a lot of time left in the season and yes, as we knew we the rebuild started, youngens would begin to take more ice time and more responsibility..

I think we would all agree that the list above will end up better than what I put. I’ll take that and TK, Lindblom etc having career years

Finally, as a Flyer fan, GOOD GROWING PAINS.

xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Nov 30 @ 9:02 PM ET
Couturier at 64 points isn’t bad but everyone else should be ashamed.
- SuperSchennBros


61 is decent for Voracek. He is being paid as an 80 point guy but he's never really consistantly done it. As for Giroux I am not worried. When he puts up points they usually come in bunches. At some point during the season Giroux will be a guy getting 2-3 points a night.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 30 @ 9:04 PM ET
I would argue that over the past 5-10 games Giroux, Jake, Hayes have all started to turn it around offensively which is a great sign for the team.

Coots is already driving play and having a great season to this point.

- opeth_pa


I would not classify Couturier as having a great season. He's played well for sure but his point production is behind pace.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 30 @ 9:06 PM ET
61 is decent for Voracek. He is being paid as an 80 point guy but he's never really consistantly done it. As for Giroux I am not worried. When he puts up points they usually come in bunches. At some point during the season Giroux will be a guy getting 2-3 points a night.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


2-3 points a night? I'll settle for a point a night.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Nov 30 @ 9:06 PM ET
Is it ideal to give up a point to Montreal in a points race? Because we let them tie it. What about giving up a 3 goal lead to the islanders?

Yeah, we collected the most points for one month but ignoring the fact we let teams back into games and keep games too close should be a concern for everyone.

If it’s not you, god bless. Live in ignorance.

- SuperSchennBros


Im not ignoring anything .

Life isn't binary, you have more options then just this or just that.
Overall this was a hugely successful month for the FLyers and Im choosing to be happy, excited and encouraged by that .

Yes it sucks that they gave up a 3 goal lead to the Isles.
Yes it sucks that up until recently core players were struggling.
Yes it sucks that they , not being robots , playing 4 games in almost 6 days didnt destroy the Habs today but that doesnt detract from the fact that it was a great month.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Nov 30 @ 9:09 PM ET
It’s not finding, it’s there. The coach pointed out himself the games are too close. We led the league in points and gave points away in the process.

I hate how clueless people on this board can be.

- SuperSchennBros


Flyers can be better but at the end of the day wins are what matters. Its not ideal to go to OT\SO but it happens. You arent going to dominate another team every night. When playoffs roll around whether the game was 1 goal game, OT win or blowout doesnt matter because the W is all that matters. Even if you give another team a point its only really going to matter if it is a divisional team. Giving an Atlantic team 1 point is unlikely to matter unless the teams are battling for a WC spot. Even when teams lose out to the playoffs to a team that gained more loser points, there are always games people look back at that slipped away.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Nov 30 @ 9:09 PM ET
I would not classify Couturier as having a great season. He's played well for sure but his point production is behind pace.
- MJL



Coots has never had a season where he was a PPG player.
He is slightly off that pace right now while still being a +5.
Additionally I have learned that the majority of people here seem to lose their minds if anyone ever says a negative thing about him so I basically dont.
SuperSchennBros
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Nov 30 @ 9:09 PM ET
61 is decent for Voracek. He is being paid as an 80 point guy but he's never really consistantly done it. As for Giroux I am not worried. When he puts up points they usually come in bunches. At some point during the season Giroux will be a guy getting 2-3 points a night.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Giroux and Voracek should be 80 plus players pre season. Couturier no less then 70. I would agree Coots is the closest to his mark but his wingers drove play to start the season.
SuperSchennBros
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Nov 30 @ 9:11 PM ET
Flyers can be better but at the end of the day wins are what matters. Its not ideal to go to OT\SO but it happens. You arent going to dominate another team every night. When playoffs roll around whether the game was 1 goal game, OT win or blowout doesnt matter because the W is all that matters. Even if you give another team a point its only really going to matter if it is a divisional team. Giving an Atlantic team 1 point is unlikely to matter unless the teams are battling for a WC spot. Even when teams lose out to the playoffs to a team that gained more loser points, there are always games people look back at that slipped away.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I agree with 99% of this but you don’t wanna give points away to anyone in the east in the playoff hunt. Montreal is one of those teams.
SuperSchennBros
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Nov 30 @ 9:15 PM ET
Im not ignoring anything .

Life isn't binary, you have more options then just this or just that.
Overall this was a hugely successful month for the FLyers and Im choosing to be happy, excited and encouraged by that .

Yes it sucks that they gave up a 3 goal lead to the Isles.
Yes it sucks that up until recently core players were struggling.
Yes it sucks that they , not being robots , playing 4 games in almost 6 days didnt destroy the Habs today but that doesnt detract from the fact that it was a great month.

- opeth_pa


Don’t get me wrong. I’m happy with the position we are in but it’s November and we’re games played ahead of teams like the islanders, who could gain ground. If we are still in a great position in March, I’ll be a lot more comfortable. Winning is great but you can’t give up leads or give up points regardless of the outcome of the game.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Nov 30 @ 9:17 PM ET
I don’t see why the flyers need to do anything with their defense. Keep rotating the scratches for now. There will come a time where there will be injuries back there. The drop off of talent to what we have available in Lehigh is steep. Theres no reason to trade any of them right now
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Nov 30 @ 9:20 PM ET
I agree with 99% of this but you don’t wanna give points away to anyone in the east in the playoff hunt. Montreal is one of those teams.
- SuperSchennBros


You should be happy as all hell that they get any points on the 3rd game in 4 days, back to back games in less than 24 hours on the road against a rested opponent. Regardless of the opponent. Ending a stretch of 16 games in 30 days
arichardson22
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Nov 30 @ 9:20 PM ET
Couturier at 64 points isn’t bad but everyone else should be ashamed.
- SuperSchennBros


ROR on the Blues was team leader in points with 77. Not saying we are the Blues or will make a deep run, but if you spread the wealth amongst your team it’s ok. Winning is winning
arichardson22
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Nov 30 @ 9:21 PM ET
I don’t see why the flyers need to do anything with their defense. Keep rotating the scratches for now. There will come a time where there will be injuries back there. The drop off of talent to what we have available in Lehigh is steep. Theres no reason to trade any of them right now
- Just5


True about the drop off, but I wouldn’t mind seeing Friedman get a game or two at any point in the year.
wcorvette
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Nov 30 @ 9:23 PM ET
Couple real good goals in the Blues/Pens game
Sublime55
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.24.2012

Nov 30 @ 9:33 PM ET
Is it ideal to give up a point to Montreal in a points race? Because we let them tie it. What about giving up a 3 goal lead to the islanders?

Yeah, we collected the most points for one month but ignoring the fact we let teams back into games and keep games too close should be a concern for everyone.

If it’s not you, god bless. Live in ignorance.

- SuperSchennBros


I’ll take it based oh how this team has played over the last 6 or 7 years. It’s time for some real optimism around here. Baby steps, Rome wasn’t built in a day... et cetera et cetera.
Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

Nov 30 @ 9:42 PM ET
I’ll take it based oh how this team has played over the last 6 or 7 years. It’s time for some real optimism around here. Baby steps, Rome wasn’t built in a day... et cetera et cetera.
- Sublime55


I’m surprised the habs playing their backup/having no fear of the flyers wasn’t brought up. People love complaining.
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Nov 30 @ 9:53 PM ET
Caring about individual player points is something teams who wont make the playoffs do

I dont care who scores how many. I just want them to win
SuperSchennBros
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Nov 30 @ 10:05 PM ET
I’ll take it based oh how this team has played over the last 6 or 7 years. It’s time for some real optimism around here. Baby steps, Rome wasn’t built in a day... et cetera et cetera.
- Sublime55


Fair.

To me, an OT loss still puts me in a bad mood. Yes, we get the point but I hate losing.
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