he got a 4 out of 5 rating last night from the athletic
- daeth

does the Athletic issue ribbons post game?

Burkie explained it perfectly well.
Players should be ashamed.
- MaximusAurelius

It's fair to a degree. The players didn't execute. Is it because they wouldn't or couldn't? The team is composed in a rather specific manner.

If I owned 10 Ferraris, I wouldn't start a towing company with them.

If Dubas is willing to recognise he was wrong about Nylander and Ceci - I have hope again for the team. Doubt it will happen though.
People say Babcock is stubborn, but Dubas seems worse.
And on top of that, he seems like a slimey rat.
"I blame myself for not having been able to solve the disagreements with Mike" (paraphrasing) is such a weasly statement. If you really thought it mattered, you would have actually tried to solve it - instead of that, you threw Babcock under the bus several times.
- MaximusAurelius

lol
so much butt hurt

like..so much

does the Athletic issue ribbons post game?
- BorjeFan4Ever

yes, and avocado toast with a pinch of student loan debt

yes, and avocado toast with a pinch of student loan debt
- daeth

that's awesome - a good combo.

Ok so grain of salt time...my record has been pretty good tho

So I was told that Babs pretty much lost the room at the start of the season by what he did to Spezza. It was kind of the final straw for a lot of the guys in the room. AM34 was also pretty much fed up with him and how he was being utilized and you could even see it on his face. (the meetings off season to try and smooth over the relationship) JT and Spezza are also friends apparently and JT lost respect for Babs for not letting his friend play on the game opener, considering he is a local boy and took league min just to come play here for his family. (JT is all about that kind of thing) Players only meeting, a lot of sentiment from the guys was pretty much to hell with Babs

You can kind of hear it also in the player post game comments last night.

Also when you watch the replay on Barries goal, the emotion AM34 showed, you could see how happy he was for him.

JT and Rielly went and had that meeting with Babs, and there were "disagreements" between JT and Babs...hence the call out to Rielly in his statement (who was trying to keep peace)

Dubas wanted him gone in the summer, but Shanny is old school and wanted another seaon before he even started to consider a change... But in the end, even Shanny saw what was going on and finally agreed. (had to go to the board first cause of the money)

again take it for what its worth, but this person has been bang on with everthing he's told me


- mel_vin

More and more we should start doubting whether Matthews has the proper character

Nylander looked like his terrible self last night..

Keefe and Willy won’t last..
- Arctic_AARDVARK

It was one game with the new coach.
Give it time.

Nylander effectively played C last night. I don't know if that's new or what it really means.
- Tumbleweed

nah... that's just Willy staying away from the boards.

It's fair to a degree. The players didn't execute. Is it because they wouldn't or couldn't? The team is composed in a rather specific manner.

If I owned 10 Ferraris, I wouldn't start a towing company with them.
- Monkeypunk

I like Burkie, but again he is also bullish. Sometimes the players quit on you. This sort of thing p!sses people like Burke off.

More and more we should start doubting whether Matthews has the proper character
- MaximusAurelius

Hmm maybe he is a bit "bratty". But you cant deny that some people just rub you the wrong way. Also, if you truly believe you think you can help and are NOT called upon to do so, wouldn't that frustrate you? Ive been through that at work. I know flat out something is being done wrong (or could be done better) but people yet refuse to listen....and only after much wasted time and effort do the finally listen and low and behold things start to work.

Not ever coach can get the best out of every person on the roster....but Im not going to call Mathews a problem child/coach killer yet. Babs has and will always be a bit of an arse in that regard.

Nylander effectively played C last night. I don't know if that's new or what it really means.
- Tumbleweed

Everyone except Willy looked like they were operating on a new program.

Willy was taking low% shots, leisurely floating around, not retrieving pucks etc.

He isn’t going to last under Keefe.

More and more we should start doubting whether Matthews has the proper character
- MaximusAurelius

Or perhaps he's a kid who doesn't want to deal with an authoritarian coach who is (in his view) hindering his ability to excel.

There are two sides to every story.

Everyone except Willy looked like they were operating on a new program.

Willy was taking low% shots, leisurely floating around, not retrieving pucks etc.

He isn’t going to last under Keefe.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

I hope you are being sarcastic

If not the hate flows strongly with you

It was one game with the new coach.
Give it time.
- Fakepartofme

Willy doesn’t want to do all the little things a coach demands.

They already have shaky a history.

If Dubas is willing to recognise he was wrong about Nylander and Ceci - I have hope again for the team. Doubt it will happen though.
People say Babcock is stubborn, but Dubas seems worse.
And on top of that, he seems like a slimey rat.
"I blame myself for not having been able to solve the disagreements with Mike" (paraphrasing) is such a weasly statement. If you really thought it mattered, you would have actually tried to solve it - instead of that, you threw Babcock under the bus several times.
- MaximusAurelius

Chill.
Willy will never go hard into the corners or try to win most 50/50 battles.
But if he gets his 60plus points yearly then ya gotta be happy with that with regards to contract.

It was one game with the new coach.
Give it time.
- Fakepartofme

I think he might be sarcastic? I thought nylander was good last night. He was competing all night.

Also pretty sure Keefe coached nylander in the ahl for a year.

Or perhaps he's a kid who doesn't want to deal with an authoritarian coach who is (in his view) hindering his ability to excel.

There are two sides to every story.
- lumlums

Did you see the players being happy lasts night? The mood around the team looked so different. Everyone says that “the boys just want to play for him” about Keefe. It’s the kinda message this team really needed.

(frank) Babcock. Have fun fishing with your 6 million a year salary

Chill.
Willy will never go hard into the corners or try to win most 50/50 battles.
But if he gets his 60plus points yearly then ya gotta be happy with that with regards to contract.
- Fakepartofme

I thought Nylander won a bunch of battles in the Arizona zone last night.

Willy doesn’t want to do all the little things a coach demands.

They already have shaky a history.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Wait what?

Hmm maybe he is a bit "bratty". But you cant deny that some people just rub you the wrong way. Also, if you truly believe you think you can help and are NOT called upon to do so, wouldn't that frustrate you? Ive been through that at work. I know flat out something is being done wrong (or could be done better) but people yet refuse to listen....and only after much wasted time and effort do the finally listen and low and behold things start to work.

Not ever coach can get the best out of every person on the roster....but Im not going to call Mathews a problem child/coach killer yet. Babs has and will always be a bit of an arse in that regard.
- mel_vin

Babcock's philosophy is, if you want to work with him (and try to follow what he wants to see), he'll give you opportunities. First and foremost, he wants players to put in their best effort.
He is harder on the most talented players (Matthews, Nylander, Marner) than on the less gifted (3rd/4th liners).
The reason why he puts 4th line on the ice after a goal, is because he can rely that these guys will play 100% each and every shift - not necessarily a given for some of the most talented guys on this team.

Maybe it's a generational difference - and Keefe can be a better coach on a day to day basis for these guys - since it's an 'easier life'.
I doubt however that it'll bring them a Stanley Cup - difficult without wanting to put in 100% every game.

I hope you are being sarcastic

If not the hate flows strongly with you
- Santo_44

I’m super serial.

Did you see the players being happy lasts night? The mood around the team looked so different. Everyone says that “the boys just want to play for him” about Keefe. It’s the kinda message this team really needed.

(frank) Babcock. Have fun fishing with your 6 million a year salary





- Santo_44

Exactly. I was trying to pay attention to that and you could totally see. Even if you werent paying attention, that was probably the best effort we've seen from them in a while.

Thanks Babs, you instilled a foundation, but it was time for you to go.

Babcock's philosophy is, if you want to work with him (and try to follow what he wants to see), he'll give you opportunities. First and foremost, he wants players to put in their best effort.
He is harder on the most talented players (Matthews, Nylander, Marner) than on the less gifted (3rd/4th liners).
The reason why he puts 4th line on the ice after a goal, is because he can rely that these guys will play 100% each and every shift - not necessarily a given for some of the most talented guys on this team.

Maybe it's a generational difference - and Keefe can be a better coach on a day to day basis for these guys - since it's an 'easier life'.
I doubt however that it'll bring them a Stanley Cup - difficult without wanting to put in 100% every game.
- MaximusAurelius

Ok max

Babcock's philosophy is, if you want to work with him (and try to follow what he wants to see), he'll give you opportunities. First and foremost, he wants players to put in their best effort.
He is harder on the most talented players (Matthews, Nylander, Marner) than on the less gifted (3rd/4th liners).
The reason why he puts 4th line on the ice after a goal, is because he can rely that these guys will play 100% each and every shift - not necessarily a given for some of the most talented guys on this team.

Maybe it's a generational difference - and Keefe can be a better coach on a day to day basis for these guys - since it's an 'easier life'.
I doubt however that it'll bring them a Stanley Cup - difficult without wanting to put in 100% every game.
- MaximusAurelius

the 4th line at 100% effort is about as effective as the first line playing at 50% effort tho

Or perhaps he's a kid who doesn't want to deal with an authoritarian coach who is (in his view) hindering his ability to excel.

There are two sides to every story.
- lumlums

exactly...

I hope the guys - while celebrating last nights return from the land of the living dead - actually had someone take a picture of them mooning a picture of Babcock... 'cause you know that would go down well

dropping your pants in Scottsdale.... what could go wrong?