Every year we talk about 4th line production. Imperative to have a competitive 4th line that can give you 10 good minutes a game.

Well, so far there has been a combination of 7 players who have made up the 4th line for the most part. The guys listed below have 59 games played amongst them and have combined for 7 points. So, on top of Giroux, JVR, Voracek, and Hayes not producing they are getting absolutely nothing from forwards 10-12.

Twarynski
Andreoff
Stewart
Rubstov
Vorobyev
Bunnaman
Pitlick
- PLindbergh31

Agree, but assuming Frost stays, when Laughton returns he should join Raffle and Pitlick for a decent 4th line

Every year we talk about 4th line production. Imperative to have a competitive 4th line that can give you 10 good minutes a game.

Well, so far there has been a combination of 7 players who have made up the 4th line for the most part. The guys listed below have 59 games played amongst them and have combined for 7 points. So, on top of Giroux, JVR, Voracek, and Hayes not producing they are getting absolutely nothing from forwards 10-12.

Twarynski
Andreoff
Stewart
Rubstov
Vorobyev
Bunnaman
Pitlick
- PLindbergh31

I don't need the 4th line to produce, I need them to be competitive and not a weakness. Betts, Powe, and Laperriere weren't great offensive players (Powe led them with 9 goals) but they were a great 4th line because they didn't get caved in night-in and night-out. Also, keep in mind players have been playing out of order due to Laughton and Pitlick missing time. Especially if they can get healthy, I actually am okay with out 4th line even if they're not putting up double-digit points.

Agree, but assuming Frost stays, when Laughton returns he should join Raffle and Pitlick for a decent 4th line
- Djapana

I hear you, injuries to Patrick and Laughton have left them thin down the middle, but none of these players who have stepped in with the exception of Farabee and Frost (1 game) have contributed a thing.

The offense isn't there yet but Gostisbehere in my opinion is trending in the right direction. Little bit of a hiccup in the Florida game but he is showing clear signs of getting the aggressiveness back in his game. Hopefully he starts some scoring again along with other key players who aren't scoring.

Overall I look at the team and I see a foundation being built of young player. Players like Konecny and Lindblom are flourishing. Lots of young talent out there. Just think if some of the veterans start playing to their ability, this would be a pretty solid team.
- MJL

Yeah. I'm really surprised at how bad a start the vets have had. I didn't anticipate this at all.

Bill when Laughton returns I’m assuming they put NoPa on LTIR and waive either Andreoff or Stewart to make cap room. Do you agree?

IMO Andreoff would be a better 13th man than Stewart.

There is no history of migraines. It would’ve been dealt with if there was.

A message board MD, and a Patrick family historian.

What the f--k happened to the Flyers I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? This could be the greatest night of our lives, but you're gonna let it be the worst. 'Ooh, we're afraid to go with you, Couturier, we might get in trouble.' Well, just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Aho, he's a dead man! Hamilton, dead! Svechnikov...
- jmatchett383

Bleed all over em. Let'em know you're there!

Bill when Laughton returns I’m assuming they put NoPa on LTIR and waive either Andreoff or Stewart to make cap room. Do you agree?

IMO Andreoff would be a better 13th man than Stewart.
- Djapana

I'd rather dress 11 forwards and rotate for double shifts, or 7 dmen then dress Stewart.

Bill when Laughton returns I’m assuming they put NoPa on LTIR and waive either Andreoff or Stewart to make cap room. Do you agree?

IMO Andreoff would be a better 13th man than Stewart.
- Djapana

let andreoff play in the minors instead of rotting as a scratch. Stewart is perfect 13th fwd

This. So often, even amongst the top offensively-oriented dmen, you see them miss the net. Pronger could find the seams better than anyone I've ever seen, whether it was a wrister or a slap shot. He may not have had the cannon that some have (not to say he didn't have a hard shot), but his hit the net 9 times out of 10.

And you're right, it was a privilege. Everything that he brought both on- and off-ice was just fantastic. I always wonder what could have happened in 11/12 had he not been injured. Not to say we'd have beaten NJ for sure, but most of those games were 1-goal games (excluding ENGs) where a guy like Pronger can turn them into wins.
- jmatchett383

any beyond! The biggest what if of my Flyers fandom is always, how far could we have gone had Pronger just played out his career? He was off to a 12 points in 13 games start in 11-12. And you're right we def would've beaten Jersey in my opinion (who did go to the cup final that year), could it have been us back in the cup finals only 1 year removed? Would he have gotten us back to the playoffs in 12-13, and done enough to keep Lavy around? Would we have beaten the Rangers in 13-14 in 7, or maybe 6? I know these are all what ifs and him playing even one more game that he didn't would change the entire future, but it still to this day and prob forever, will be my number 1 what if. even over what our team would've looked like if we included Brind'amour in the trade for lindros and kept forsberg.

Thats an interesting game though, any other what ifs you think back to?

let andreoff play in the minors instead of rotting as a scratch. Stewart is perfect 13th fwd
- daryl stanley

No he isn't. 13th forwards play in NHL games, like Stewart did on Saturday when he was atrocious against the Islanders.

Guys who can't play in the NHL anymore shouldn't be on NHL rosters.

Agree, but assuming Frost stays, when Laughton returns he should join Raffle and Pitlick for a decent 4th line
- Djapana

i think you're shortselling them, i think that would be a top 10 4th line in the league no?

The injury-ravaged Blues grab an extra forward who had 21 points in the NHL last season for just $750K.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/troy-brouwer

That's the same number of points the slightly more expensive Stewart had three years ago.

i think you're shortselling them, i think that would be a top 10 4th line in the league no?
- sjk540

Possibly but I’ll wait until they play a few games before dishing out accolades. This team has enough underperformers to the point where I can’t anticipate anything.

The genius forcing Giroux to play the right side of the PP.

The injury-ravaged Blues grab an extra forward who had 21 points in the NHL last season for just $750K.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/troy-brouwer

That's the same number of points the slightly more expensive Stewart had three years ago.
- Feanor

But Stewart had 13 points for the Nottingham Panthers last year, and his spare time he was a guard at Buckingham Palace.

Let's go, Flyers!

No he isn't. 13th forwards play in NHL games, like Stewart did on Saturday when he was atrocious against the Islanders.

Guys who can't play in the NHL anymore shouldn't be on NHL rosters.
- Feanor

yes he is. Stewart has no bearing on any success or failures this team has this season. Love the blame the 12/13th fwd for team failures.

No he isn't. 13th forwards play in NHL games, like Stewart did on Saturday when he was atrocious against the Islanders.

Guys who can't play in the NHL anymore shouldn't be on NHL rosters.
- Feanor

I don't think Andreoff or Stewart should be on a decent NHL roster, but at the end of a day, the 4th line isn't the biggest issue. If the top players weren't playing so poorly, and this was our biggest concern, I'd love it. Doesn't mean it should be overlooked or not dealt with, though.

yes he is. Stewart has no bearing on any success or failures this team has this season. Love the blame the 12/13th fwd for team failures.
- daryl stanley

So Stewart is “perfect” for having “ no bearing on any success or failures “.

That’s an interesting argument for keeping him around.

yes he is. Stewart has no bearing on any success or failures this team has this season. Love the blame the 12/13th fwd for team failures.
- daryl stanley

So we are not dressing the best lineup because...the 12th forward doesn't matter??

So Stewart is “perfect” for having “ no bearing on any success or failures “.

That’s an interesting argument for keeping him around.
- Djapana

well help me understand why you disagree.

not an argument for keeping him around. you said andreoff is better suited for the 13th fwd role. I disagree as he needs to play. Stewart doesn't.

So we are not dressing the best lineup because...the 12th forward doesn't matter??
- ClaudeFather

talking about Stewart being the 13th fwd. Yes it doesn't matter in nay way shape or form.

well help me understand why you disagree.

not an argument for keeping him around. you said andreoff is better suited for the 13th fwd role. I disagree as he needs to play. Stewart doesn't.
- daryl stanley

Why does Andreoff need to play? He's a 28-year-old pro vet.

Why does Andreoff need to play? He's a 28-year-old pro vet.
- Tomahawk

the simple fact that he can help the phantoms.