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Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Nov 21 @ 11:23 AM ET
Im only referring to on here.
Dont care about the raging nutsos on the Twitter.
Its can be a cesspool of thoughtlessness

- Fakepartofme

Borje is another guy.

He might help you out here....but he is a guy who likely wouldn't even sign the guy for over 4 million.
BorjeFan4Ever
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Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Nov 21 @ 11:23 AM ET


I ask myself every day why I come on here...mostly just to get away from all the stupid crap...



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Jeremy Bracco found out about Keefe’s promotion while checking Twitter at the rink. Said he credits Keefe for much of his success, says you always know where you stand with Keefe and he’s easy to talk to about hockey and life.

7:18 PM - 20 Nov 2019


Here is a perfect example. Young players like Bracco respond well to coaches like Keefe. You may not like it but suck it up because it is the way it is.

- Santo_44


from all the scouting report commentary - seems like Bracco would be a natural replacement for Nylander - when Dubas trades him

Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Everybody calm down, AB
Joined: 07.24.2011

Nov 21 @ 11:24 AM ET
Yep.

I've seen him say he is worth 4-5 million.

So just thought I'd give you some proof.

- Santo_44

Lol.

Bullshït. Ya little peckerhead.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Nov 21 @ 11:25 AM ET


I ask myself every day why I come on here...mostly just to get away from all the stupid crap...



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Jeremy Bracco found out about Keefe’s promotion while checking Twitter at the rink. Said he credits Keefe for much of his success, says you always know where you stand with Keefe and he’s easy to talk to about hockey and life.

7:18 PM - 20 Nov 2019


Here is a perfect example. Young players like Bracco respond well to coaches like Keefe. You may not like it but suck it up because it is the way it is.

- Santo_44



*insert soft snowflake comment*
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Nov 21 @ 11:25 AM ET
how would you like us to respond if its gradient between what you've posted?
- BorjeFan4Ever

Lol
I was trying to keep it under 2m to disqualify aardvark on a technicality of not being someone who said "millions".
Shhh don tell Santo.

But truthfully, how much do you really think hes overpaid.
Go by cap hit.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Nov 21 @ 11:25 AM ET
from all the scouting report commentary - seems like Bracco would be a natural replacement for Nylander - when Dubas trades him


- BorjeFan4Ever

Bracco would actually help this PP today pretty tremendously.

He'd get eaten alive 5v5 though....He has to work on that this year but he has taken a lot of strides.

He has to decide if he wants to be a 2016-2019 Thomas Vanek or a more complete player.
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Everybody calm down, AB
Joined: 07.24.2011

Nov 21 @ 11:26 AM ET
Borje is another guy.

He might help you out here....but he is a guy who likely wouldn't even sign the guy for over 4 million.

- Santo_44

Here you go again.. 😒

You think Fakey is your friend, and you’re trying to divide us all again. Trying to box people into your little sub-groups
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Nov 21 @ 11:26 AM ET
*insert soft snowflake comment*
- senstroll


I even said if they want to complain about change then do it.

But if you want the Leafs to be successful then get over it.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Nov 21 @ 11:26 AM ET
from all the scouting report commentary - seems like Bracco would be a natural replacement for Nylander - when Dubas trades him


- BorjeFan4Ever

Borje, how much do you really think willie is overpaid by?
Millilons?
1.5 and under?
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Nov 21 @ 11:27 AM ET
Lol.

Bullshït. Ya little peckerhead.

- Arctic_AARDVARK

BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Nov 21 @ 11:29 AM ET
Read this in the TSN article. Backchecking?!

"The hallmark of a Keefe team, according to Cousins, is that “he wants the team to play as a five-man unit on the ice and have forwards backchecking through the middle of the ice so the defence can stand up

- Aaron_85[opponents] at the blueline.”


Sounds a lot like what Brind'amour does.

Defense has the green light to go 100% of the time. Forwards have to be aware and make sure they cover for the D when they jump.
BorjeFan4Ever
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Nov 21 @ 11:30 AM ET
I would have offered him a 5 x 5.25.

5.50 max.

- Arctic_AARDVARK


too low in my opinion...

I maybe wrong... but I think the "comps" at the time were 6.2 - 6.5...

for me its never been about the actual dollar number... its more about the perception that the player is left with... "I got 7.0"... so I'm better than so and so... they needed to keep that contract down not for the CAP hit itself, but for the roadmap that it laid out for Marner and Matthews (lesser degree for Matthews).

overpaid by .5M is about right.
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Nov 21 @ 11:30 AM ET
Sounds a lot like what Brind'amour does.
- BINGO!


Leafs > Hurricanes
Keefe > Brind'amour
BorjeFan4Ever
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Nov 21 @ 11:31 AM ET
Borje, how much do you really think willie is overpaid by?
Millilons?
1.5 and under?

- Fakepartofme


just posted below

about .5
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Nov 21 @ 11:31 AM ET
Sounds a lot like what Brind'amour does.
- BINGO!

But But

He hasn't won anything in the NHL
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Nov 21 @ 11:31 AM ET
Here you go again.. 😒

You think Fakey is your friend, and you’re trying to divide us all again. Trying to box people into your little sub-groups

- Arctic_AARDVARK


LOL
But Im a friend to everyone!
Lets get in the friendship van!

Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Nov 21 @ 11:32 AM ET
Here you go again.. 😒

You think Fakey is your friend, and you’re trying to divide us all again. Trying to box people into your little sub-groups

- Arctic_AARDVARK


Are you high again?
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Nov 21 @ 11:32 AM ET
just posted below

about .5

- BorjeFan4Ever

Ok, so not "millions".

Ya at the time I was around there as well. 500k
Not the end of the world
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Nov 21 @ 11:33 AM ET
Well they are C and A on the Leafs
- RogerRoeper



So?

The rest of the players are not able to be supportive toward their coach?
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Nov 21 @ 11:35 AM ET
Captain and assistant.

They would naturally talk to the coach.

Nobody else would.

- Atomic Wedgie



I disagree, wouldn't all players be welcomed to show support?
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Nov 21 @ 11:35 AM ET
I would have offered him a 5 x 5.25.

5.50 max.

- Arctic_AARDVARK

Ok so not "millions" overpaid per season.....more like millions overpaid over the longer term.

Technicality, I'll take it!

BorjeFan4Ever
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Nov 21 @ 11:35 AM ET
Borje is another guy.

He might help you out here....but he is a guy who likely wouldn't even sign the guy for over 4 million.

- Santo_44




you are correct - I'm another guy. a Boomer... an old guy...

I don't "appreciate" snowflakes unless they are on a mountainside.

I don't think Nylander is hugely overpaid based on the comps.

I also don't believe that any rational person can say that it is a "value" contract or "great" contract - 'cause he's played a grand total of 20+ games after the abortion of a season that we are all supposed to ignore last year.

should be pretty clear.
BorjeFan4Ever
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Nov 21 @ 11:36 AM ET
LOL
But Im a friend to everyone!
Lets get in the friendship van!


- Fakepartofme


change that sign on the side of the van to "snowcones" and I'm all in.

Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Nov 21 @ 11:37 AM ET
from all the scouting report commentary - seems like Bracco would be a natural replacement for Nylander - when Dubas trades him


- BorjeFan4Ever


While Nylander is more of a perimeter player, it's more perceived. He will engage when he's the best option. I think you know that I do like Nylander, but I recognize that he has shortcomings in his physical play and is lazy on the backcheck.

I'm of the opinion that a lot of what Nylander does on the ice is somewhat cerebral in that it plays to his strengths. He's not a physically strong nor large player, so getting involved in a battle of strength is one where he's not coming out with the puck and is likely disadvantaged positionally as a result of the scrum. So instead of scruming, he tries to pull the puck out of a scrum.

If you have possession of the puck in the offensive zone, but there are defenders between you and your target (the net, a teammate), do you force the play/puck there, or do you hold the puck looking for an opening? Hint: It's a smarter play to hold the puck. Your teammates should be moving with you to create room for themselves to receive the puck and progress the play. Hyman did this well. Johnsson doesn't. I like Johnsson, but I don't think he reads the formulating play that well.

But you get in the offensive zone and look for an opening - hold the puck to not turn it over, and look for an opening to the net or an opening to a team mate in a more opportune position. Not to directly compare them, but the reason we like Mitch in these cases is that at his best he'll force the play into a more dangerous area, and while it increases the risk of a turnover, it also creates a dangerous opportunity in about half of the cases. Optically Mitch looks better and Willy looks scared, but really Willy is safer and Mitch is impatient and risky (Mitch is Maverick and Willy is Iceman?).

Where we can all take umbrage is the fact that there's no excuse for lazy back checking and lazy play without the puck. That is probably "glory" driven, and will ideally change if he can learn that better play without the puck contributes to more "glory" opportunities.

Bracco is a small permiter player who is a good passer. I don't think you get much more out of him than that.
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: #FireDubas
Joined: 04.23.2012

Nov 21 @ 11:37 AM ET


I ask myself every day why I come on here...mostly just to get away from all the stupid crap...



Scott Wheeler

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Jeremy Bracco found out about Keefe’s promotion while checking Twitter at the rink. Said he credits Keefe for much of his success, says you always know where you stand with Keefe and he’s easy to talk to about hockey and life.

7:18 PM - 20 Nov 2019


Here is a perfect example. Young players like Bracco respond well to coaches like Keefe. You may not like it but suck it up because it is the way it is.

- Santo_44


Bracco responds well to Keefe.
Datsyuk responds well to Babcock.

now let's see.... which type of player do we prefer responding well to a coach....?
a fringe NHL PP specialist, or an all-star SC winning legend?
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