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RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Nov 21 @ 10:29 AM ET
I don't think trading Nylander means he admits anything. It would be a cap move. Nylander is great value at 6.9. If anyone thinks differently, look at other contracts around the NHL
- RogerRoeper

It's by no means a bad contract, but I'd stop short of saying that it's 'great value'.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Nov 21 @ 10:29 AM ET
It's funny that people hear so many times Nylander is millions overpaid they just repeat this nonsense.

Teams will line-up for him.
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Nov 21 @ 10:29 AM ET
what about Rielly?

I saw this mentioned on twitter. looking at the Rapters...they traded DD, great player..but not perfect.

Rielly is great, but used as a #1 as he has been..has big holes in his defensive play

- senstroll


Even Gretzky got traded so why the hell not?
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Nov 21 @ 10:30 AM ET
16 of 31 NHL teams are currently within 500K of the cap. Vast majority have contracts they can't move. Leafs can move any contract right now. It's annoying for people to act like the Leafs are the posterboy for "Cap Hell" and Dubas is bad at managing the cap. It's simply not true
- RogerRoeper


Dubas isn't bad at cap management... he's bad at contract negotiations.

The CAP is managed by Pridham.

Pridham joined the Leafs from the National Hockey League where he most recently served as Senior Director, Central Registry and Senior Advisor, Central Scouting. He began his career at the NHL in 1999 as a coordinator in NHL Central Scouting. In 15 years with the League, he served in a number of capacities in the Central Scouting and Central Registry departments with duties that included serving as the contact person for NHL General Managers, Assistant General Managers and NHL Executives on issues involving the CBA, salary cap and NHL Central Scouting department.

This is taken from Dubas post when he promoted Pridham.
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Nov 21 @ 10:30 AM ET
It's by no means a bad contract, but I'd stop short of saying that it's 'great value'.
- RickJames77


you're so polite
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Nov 21 @ 10:31 AM ET
It's by no means a bad contract, but I'd stop short of saying that it's 'great value'.
- RickJames77


That's only because you have Pasta who essentially is playing like a 10 million dollar winger for 66% of that

If you asked a bunch of people who'd you rather have,Pasta or Kucherov, if they made the same money, I bet you'd get a 50/50 split.
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Nov 21 @ 10:32 AM ET
It's funny that people hear so many times Nylander is millions overpaid they just repeat this nonsense.

Teams will line-up for him.

- RogerRoeper


stop engaging in the straw man arguments.

Babs is gone, its a new day
mel_vin
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 07.11.2007

Nov 21 @ 10:32 AM ET
Leafs fans are funny - if you suggest trading a guy, you get accused of saying the guy sucks.

Nylander is the obvious guy to trade because he's a good player (too soft, but what'evs), on a reasonable contract. We'd hopefully get back a good player.

Somebody earlier suggested exploring what you would get for Matthews. Hell, I'd be willing to listen. If it got us his equivalent on the blue line, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

- Atomic Wedgie


Yeah I dont get that, and I certainly dont think Nylander sucks. If we want to have 2 solid Centers AND Marner, than naturually he is the one that has to go to address the defensive needs we desparately need.

As for the trading Mathews mantra we see now, yeah ok you can listen to offers. But Snakes is what 28/9? Mathew for now is the future for now.
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Nov 21 @ 10:33 AM ET
stop engaging in the straw man arguments.

Babs is gone, its a new day

- senstroll


Wait until the lose tonight. Oh man, I want to be here if they come out flat tonight.
daws44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 02.08.2010

Nov 21 @ 10:34 AM ET
Yesterday was a glorious day. TheCock is gone!!!!

WE have now clinched the playoffs.

- RogerRoeper


Yep.
Time to call up Binnington from the Marlies.
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Nov 21 @ 10:34 AM ET
That's only because you have Pasta who essentially is playing like a 10 million dollar winger for 66% of that

If you asked a bunch of people who'd you rather have if they made the same money, I bet you'd get a 50/50 split.

- Aaron_85

Yes, that's great value. MacKinnon is great value. I don't believe Nylander's contract is great value. It's a fine contract, though.

50-50 split on Pasta vs. Nylander? God, I hope not
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Nov 21 @ 10:34 AM ET
Dubas isn't bad at cap management... he's bad at contract negotiations.

The CAP is managed by Pridham.

Pridham joined the Leafs from the National Hockey League where he most recently served as Senior Director, Central Registry and Senior Advisor, Central Scouting. He began his career at the NHL in 1999 as a coordinator in NHL Central Scouting. In 15 years with the League, he served in a number of capacities in the Central Scouting and Central Registry departments with duties that included serving as the contact person for NHL General Managers, Assistant General Managers and NHL Executives on issues involving the CBA, salary cap and NHL Central Scouting department.

This is taken from Dubas post when he promoted Pridham.

- BorjeFan4Ever



Dubas also got guys signed for longer. It will be interesting to see what Laine gets in 2 years. My feeling is these contracts will look fine (Nylander's already looks good).
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Nov 21 @ 10:34 AM ET
Yep.
Time to call up Binnington from the Marlies.

- daws44


We don't need a starter lucky for us
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Nov 21 @ 10:36 AM ET
Yes, that's great value. MacKinnon is great value. I don't believe Nylander's contract is great value. It's a fine contract, though.

50-50 split on Pasta vs. Nylander? God, I hope not

- RickJames77


Oh I am editing. I had a different name in my head.
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Nov 21 @ 10:36 AM ET
Yes, that's great value. MacKinnon is great value. I don't believe Nylander's contract is great value. It's a fine contract, though.

50-50 split on Pasta vs. Nylander? God, I hope not

- RickJames77



Leafs fans - Nylanders contract is fine

Boomers - Please show me how Nylanders contract is good value??!!>>>???
see Pastrnak - check mate
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Nov 21 @ 10:36 AM ET
Sooooooo...., imagine you were a Columbus Blue Jacket last year:


- Atomic Wedgie



didn't see anything there that was "terrible"... players need to be better - they should be embarrassed ...

MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: #FireDubas
Joined: 04.23.2012

Nov 21 @ 10:36 AM ET
The Dubas/Keefe defenders already lining up the excuses: "Have to give them time to put a team together that can win; this season is already lost ('because of Babcock!!') - have to at least give Keefe and Dubas until the end of 2020-2021 season to prove what they can do!!

Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Nov 21 @ 10:37 AM ET
what about Rielly?

I saw this mentioned on twitter. looking at the Rapters...they traded DD, great player..but not perfect.

Rielly is great, but used as a #1 as he has been..has big holes in his defensive play

- senstroll

The Leafs' defence sucks so franking much, trading Rielly would just further hurt us.

I know what you are saying, but the circumstances dictate that the Leafs must keep him.
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Nov 21 @ 10:38 AM ET
Wait until the lose tonight. Oh man, I want to be here if they come out flat tonight.
- Aaron_85



that would be Babcock's fault... or Kadri's...

maybe a bit Bozak as well.
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Nov 21 @ 10:38 AM ET
The Dubas/Keefe defenders already lining up the excuses: "Have to give them time to put a team together that can win; this season is already lost ('because of Babcock!!') - have to at least give Keefe and Dubas until the end of 2020-2021 season to prove what they can do!!
- MaximusAurelius


has anyone actually said that here?

I do think Dubas and Keefe have this season and next to get the job done before the knives come out
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Nov 21 @ 10:38 AM ET
Even Gretzky got traded so why the hell not?
- Aaron_85

The Oilers had Messier.

Who do we have who can step into Rielly's role?

Ceci?
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Nov 21 @ 10:39 AM ET
The Leafs' defence sucks so franking much, trading Rielly would just further hurt us.

I know what you are saying, but the circumstances dictate that the Leafs must keep him.

- Atomic Wedgie


I am not saying trade him and bring back marincin

But...he is really bad in his own end.
I am willing to see how things play out with Keefe though
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I take Joel for walks around the block, AB
Joined: 07.24.2011

Nov 21 @ 10:39 AM ET
It's by no means a bad contract, but I'd stop short of saying that it's 'great value'.
- RickJames77

Like Nylander stops short of making contact to retrieve a puck.

Willy can carry the puck with the best of them. But that’s it. He has terrible aim, his passes are usually giveaways, he doesn’t battle for pucks, and he NEVER backchecks. People see his skating and how he carries the puck and they think, “wow he looks really good!” But in reality, he’s too much of a liability because of his unwillingness to do a lot of the things you have to do in the NHL.

Furthermore, he full of himself. Everything he does reeks of being a spoiled brat. The way he celebrates, even if they’re losing bad. The poop he posts on social media (like Kap golfing in Vegas), his obsession with fashion, he disrespected the Tre Kronor at the WHC, he never takes accountability for his mistakes (sanheim).
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Nov 21 @ 10:40 AM ET
The Oilers had Messier.

Who do we have who can step into Rielly's role?

Ceci?

- Atomic Wedgie


Barrie? Who hasn't shown it in 20 games but has shown it previously in his career. I know it's crazy to say....but what if, this is an anomaly for Barrie?
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Nov 21 @ 10:40 AM ET
The Oilers had Messier.

Who do we have who can step into Rielly's role?

Ceci?

- Atomic Wedgie


i am saying you trade Rielly for another D, one who is more suited to play in his own end.

I am not saying trade Rielly for a 7th and move Ceci to his spot
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