Dubas and Keefe have a combined age of 72

Not a criticism, just saying...
- Hockey_Reverend

OK Boomer

really?
Keefe is far from the natural choice because of: 1/ his history of being involved in violent groups and behaviour; and 2/ he has never coached in the NHL.
- MaximusAurelius

lol max go write a book about it. #MeToo

lol max go write a book about it. #MeToo
- Burkefection

https://www.espn.com/nhl/...ist=joyce_gare&id=3640434

15 or not, you already know at that age that sexual abuse and violent behaviour against other human beings is not ok.
keefe (and his brother) are not merely victims here.
I guess people like to have double standards when it fits their narrative.

so you think sexual abuse and physical abuse is ok?
- MaximusAurelius

who hurt you?

who hurt you?
- Burkefection

I care about other people.
Apparently you approve of abuse.

https://www.espn.com/nhl/...ist=joyce_gare&id=3640434

15 or not, you already know at that age that sexual abuse and violent behaviour against other human beings is not ok.
keefe (and his brother) are not merely victims here.
I guess people like to have double standards when it fits their narrative.
- MaximusAurelius

God i wish i was 15. 31 in January and all the health problems that start with it ...

Anyways Max no one here ever agrees with you, why do you keep coming back? You're worse than an evangelist

Leafs is one of the biggest teams in NHL.
Can get virtually any coach they want.
You want to best.
Keefe is not the best - at least not yet proven.
That's why this is relevant.
(Leafs franchise >>>> friggin Ducks)
- MaximusAurelius

to be fair, Here is the AHL coaching records befoer getting a shot...and this is ignoring any playoffs success

Babcock 74-59-27
Keefe 200-89-31

Keefe has also already coached half the team.

on a purely hockey opinion, he has earned a shot at least

https://www.espn.com/nhl/...ist=joyce_gare&id=3640434

15 or not, you already know at that age that sexual abuse and violent behaviour against other human beings is not ok.
keefe (and his brother) are not merely victims here.
I guess people like to have double standards when it fits their narrative.
- MaximusAurelius

there is some serious history for sure. and I am sure it will get addressed or at least written about in he coming weeks

I care about other people.
Apparently you approve of abuse.
- MaximusAurelius

I Approve of second chances. I dont hold onto the past like you Max.

economy degree is nothing like a 'management degree'.
- MaximusAurelius

Running a business is just flipping a switch, eh?

Toronto has reached new levels of lowness; one of the biggest franchises in sports and the GM still has his training wheels on...
Is trusted with trades but when it comes to firing the coach, his daddy has to come in to make it happen..
And then the green GM brings in his good friend - just because he was great in low level leagues..
Pathetic. Those who approve of such a move should never complain when they miss a promotion bc the boss' nephew was brought in..

(lots of talk about 'diversity hires' and then turn around and boycot one of your employees and get a friend in who is not as qualified as other candidates - not sure if possible to be more hypocrit).
- MaximusAurelius

stfu max

Lou & Babcock vs Dubas & Keefe

Gardiner vs Barrie
Zaitsev vs Ceci
Borgman vs Schmaltz
Kadri vs Kerfoot
McElhinney vs Sparks/Hutchinson
Brown, Marleau, 2 1st rounders, Durzi, Grundstrom vs Muzzin and capspace
Martin, Komarov, Lindholm vs Petan, Spezza, Shore
Mikheyev vs no Mikheyev

Let's agree that the Lou&Babcock combination has already proven to be quite a bit better than the Dubas&Keefe side.
- MaximusAurelius

stfu max

What is Max's degree? Anyone know?
- Woderwick

Masters in Windowlicking!

https://www.espn.com/nhl/...ist=joyce_gare&id=3640434

15 or not, you already know at that age that sexual abuse and violent behaviour against other human beings is not ok.
keefe (and his brother) are not merely victims here.
I guess people like to have double standards when it fits their narrative.
- MaximusAurelius

stfu max

this is going to be fascinating to watch, how the season plays out will show a lot here.

Coach, players, GMs flawed team etc... its going to clear up a bit

I care about other people.
Apparently you approve of abuse.
- MaximusAurelius

Then do us all a favour and stfu max.
There is not one person on this site that gives a flying (frank) what you think.
We know you don't like Dubas, we don't care.
We know you have a Babshlong hard on, we don 't care.
We know you don't like Nylander, we don't care.

So for the love of god, if you truly care about people,
stfu max. PLEASE

James Mirtle
@mirtle
Source: ~90% of the Leafs were relieved to see Mike Babcock go.

The GM obviously was ready for it, too. Now the heat is on them with their season on the line.

On the end, why it happened and what comes next @TheAthleticTO

https://twitter.com/mirtl...tatus/1197504295911866374

Personally, I'd stay far away from a guy with such a trackrecord.
I guess to each their own.

An abridged version of the story goes something like this: during his days in the OHL, Keefe was a member of a group of four players known as “The Brampton Boys,” named after the Ontario city where they all grew up. The Brampton Boys were notorious in the OHL and beyond, for both their violent and unsportsmanlike play on the ice and a constant series of scandals off of it.

All of the scandals, in one way or another, tied back to a man named David Frost, who was the agent for the four players and had been for years, working relentlessly and using his hockey connections to keep them together across multiple different junior teams. Off-ice rumors involving Frost and the players were rampant, alleging heavy partying, extreme hazing, physical abuse, and, most horrifying of all, sexual exploitation involving teenagers. Many of these alleged incidents were said to have occurred in hotel rooms and cottages paid for by Frost, and involved him being present and directly involved.

The legend of Frost and The Brampton Boys reached an explosive turning point in 2004 when one of the four players, then-NHLer Mike Danton, was arrested for conspiring to commit murder. The target of the murder plot is still disputed, with Danton saying it was his estranged father, while other reports suggest evidence that the intended target was Frost.

Former Defending Big D managing editor Josh Lile wrote an article about Keefe recently over at his new site, Mooterati, where he goes into this topic in greater detail and provides an abundance of additional links.
- MaximusAurelius

Surely you believe in the ability for people to atone and make up for past mistakes (none of which have implicated Keefe criminally)? I find it quite ironic that you have an avatar of a man who has a decades long list of inappropriate and xenophobic comments, yet don't seem to have any time for a guy who was a dumb kid surrounded by other dumb kids and bad actors and has now seemingly grown up.

there goes my degree in economy
- 21peter

Right? Might as well stop applying for professor vacancies as they'll just ask me for my degrees which are obviously not valid...

Surely you believe in the ability for people to atone and make up for past mistakes (none of which have implicated Keefe criminally)? I find it quite ironic that you have an avatar of a man who has a decades long list of inappropriate and xenophobic comments, yet don't seem to have any time for a guy who was a dumb kid surrounded by other dumb kids and bad actors and has now seemingly grown up.
- lumlums

Don Cherry... Good.
Sheldon Keefe.... Bad.

(frank)ing windowlicking at it's best.

History "A critical view of Kyle Dubas and William Nylander"

**Max is from the future.
- The Law

Right? Might as well stop applying for professor vacancies as they'll just ask me for my degrees which are obviously not valid...
- lumlums

(frank) me. My veterinary medicine degree is now null and void.

I guess I'll just apply to a surgeon's position at Massachusetts General Hospital.

(frank) me. My veterinary medicine degree is now null and void.

I guess I'll just apply to a surgeon's position at Massachusetts General Hospital.
- RickJames77

While you're at it, I know of a seagull that needs some serious help...

40 goal rookie has to earn his ice time? And then again next year? And then the year after and then again this year?

Or is it just some vindictive bs.

What does he have to do to earn the ice? Score 60?
- burn

Go back to bed.

(frank) me. My veterinary medicine degree is now null and void.

I guess I'll just apply to a surgeon's position at Massachusetts General Hospital.
- RickJames77

Dude...even with 2 degrees, I'm not even in the running, cuz one is a college degree. I'm an embarrassment.