If this offends you then I think that you're interested in the wrong sport...
- lumlums

i said a 'proper' education.
management degrees don't count.
- MaximusAurelius

Lou & Babcock vs Dubas & Keefe

Gardiner vs Barrie
Zaitsev vs Ceci
Borgman vs Schmaltz
Kadri vs Kerfoot
McElhinney vs Sparks/Hutchinson
Brown, Marleau, 2 1st rounders, Durzi, Grundstrom vs Muzzin and capspace
Martin, Komarov, Lindholm vs Petan, Spezza, Shore
Mikheyev vs no Mikheyev

Let's agree that the Lou&Babcock combination has already proven to be quite a bit better than the Dubas&Keefe side.

Dubas and Keefe have a combined age of 72

Not a criticism, just saying...
- Hockey_Reverend

They can speak the language of kids today like Facetime them while on the road to see where they are - "Whatchya doin'?
And others like GroupMe, Kik, WhatsAp, Discord, and Tik-Tok etc etc. Using each for different occassions.
They never really speak in person. You'll see at practice. They'll all have their phones on the ice while Keefe is texting instructions and Dubas is Messenging positive vibes.

This will set the standard moving forward. Can't lose.

If this offends you then I think that you're interested in the wrong sport...
- lumlums

so you think sexual abuse and physical abuse is ok?

How is this relevant?

How did Babcock get a job with the ducks in the first place, having not been an nhl coach previously?
- burn

Leafs is one of the biggest teams in NHL.
Can get virtually any coach they want.
You want to best.
Keefe is not the best - at least not yet proven.
That's why this is relevant.
(Leafs franchise >>>> friggin Ducks)

How is this relevant?

How did Babcock get a job with the ducks in the first place, having not been an nhl coach previously?
- burn

How do you coach in the NHL if you've never coached in the NHL? Quite a conundrum.

so you think sexual abuse and physical abuse is ok?
- MaximusAurelius

Manipulated my a monster.

- lumlums

What is Max's degree? Anyone know?

so you think sexual abuse and physical abuse is ok?
- MaximusAurelius

Absolutely not, but I don't think that Keefe has ever been accused of sexual abuse, right? I expect that you have some receipts for this claim. As far as I'm aware, Keefe's main crime was being a dumb kid who made some poor choices. If I'm wrong, and there is any evidence of criminal behaviour, please do enlighten me.

Lou & Babcock vs Dubas & Keefe

Gardiner vs Barrie
Zaitsev vs Ceci
Borgman vs Schmaltz
Kadri vs Kerfoot
McElhinney vs Sparks/Hutchinson
Brown, Marleau, 2 1st rounders, Durzi, Grundstrom vs Muzzin and capspace
Martin, Komarov, Lindholm vs Petan, Spezza, Shore
Mikheyev vs no Mikheyev

Let's agree that the Lou&Babcock combination has already proven to be quite a bit better than the Dubas&Keefe side.
- MaximusAurelius

You missed the most important part ...

JT v. No JT (and the relevant cap space)
AM, MM and WN on new deals v. AM, MM, WN on ELC's (the deals above were largely because these guys had to be signed).

Time to climb outside your vacuum and breath some objective air.

Dubie should be scrutinized and criticised but do it objectively.

so you think sexual abuse and physical abuse is ok?
- MaximusAurelius

*Winks at Mrs. Law



Only between two consenting adults.



*Cracks whip

Toronto has reached new levels of lowness; one of the biggest franchises in sports and the GM still has his training wheels on...
Is trusted with trades but when it comes to firing the coach, his daddy has to come in to make it happen..
And then the green GM brings in his good friend - just because he was great in low level leagues..
Pathetic. Those who approve of such a move should never complain when they miss a promotion bc the boss' nephew was brought in..

(lots of talk about 'diversity hires' and then turn around and boycot one of your employees and get a friend in who is not as qualified as other candidates - not sure if possible to be more hypocrit).
- MaximusAurelius

Man, you are the biggest baby ever.

Leafs is one of the biggest teams in NHL.
Can get virtually any coach they want.
You want to best.
Keefe is not the best - at least not yet proven.
That's why this is relevant.
(Leafs franchise >>>> friggin Ducks)
- MaximusAurelius

All fair points. But we won't know if it's the wrong decision until the results come in. Now relax and lets see what happens.

Lou & Babcock vs Dubas & Keefe

Gardiner vs Barrie
Zaitsev vs Ceci
Borgman vs Schmaltz
Kadri vs Kerfoot
McElhinney vs Sparks/Hutchinson
Brown, Marleau, 2 1st rounders, Durzi, Grundstrom vs Muzzin and capspace
Martin, Komarov, Lindholm vs Petan, Spezza, Shore
Mikheyev vs no Mikheyev

Let's agree that the Lou&Babcock combination has already proven to be quite a bit better than the Dubas&Keefe side.
- MaximusAurelius

Wait so are you pro-Jake now?
You realize that Z is also a tire fire right? Getting out from under that contract is a win, even if you replaced him with an actual on-ice puppy.
Neither are NHLers
Kadri is obviously better, but Kerfoot is a nice surprise.
Gambled on a younger guy who had a stellar AHL rep, it failed. *shrug emoji*
I take Muzzin and Capspace right now as it's proven
Petan/Spezza have more skill in their pinkys than any of the others have
Babs obviously helped recruit him, but guess which GM signed him?

Got into work today, my morning team meeting went ok, there was the usual female doging about how afternoons and midnight's left the lab a mess and tools weren't put away correctly etc etc. I asked if they had any other questions. One of my guys asked "Did you hear they found a new person for Hockey Night in Canada?" I spit out my coffee.

You missed the most important part ...

JT v. No JT (and the relevant cap space)
AM, MM and WN on new deals v. AM, MM, WN on ELC's (the deals above were largely because these guys had to be signed).

Time to climb outside your vacuum and breath some objective air.

Dubie should be scrutinized and criticised but do it objectively.
- The Law

The problem is that the vacuum is located between the ears

What is Max's degree? Anyone know?
- Woderwick

History "A critical view of Kyle Dubas and William Nylander"

**Max is from the future.

Absolutely not, but I don't think that Keefe has ever been accused of sexual abuse, right? I expect that you have some receipts for this claim. As far as I'm aware, Keefe's main crime was being a dumb kid who made some poor choices. If I'm wrong, and there is any evidence of criminal behaviour, please do enlighten me.
- lumlums

Personally, I'd stay far away from a guy with such a trackrecord.
I guess to each their own.

An abridged version of the story goes something like this: during his days in the OHL, Keefe was a member of a group of four players known as “The Brampton Boys,” named after the Ontario city where they all grew up. The Brampton Boys were notorious in the OHL and beyond, for both their violent and unsportsmanlike play on the ice and a constant series of scandals off of it.

All of the scandals, in one way or another, tied back to a man named David Frost, who was the agent for the four players and had been for years, working relentlessly and using his hockey connections to keep them together across multiple different junior teams. Off-ice rumors involving Frost and the players were rampant, alleging heavy partying, extreme hazing, physical abuse, and, most horrifying of all, sexual exploitation involving teenagers. Many of these alleged incidents were said to have occurred in hotel rooms and cottages paid for by Frost, and involved him being present and directly involved.

The legend of Frost and The Brampton Boys reached an explosive turning point in 2004 when one of the four players, then-NHLer Mike Danton, was arrested for conspiring to commit murder. The target of the murder plot is still disputed, with Danton saying it was his estranged father, while other reports suggest evidence that the intended target was Frost.

Former Defending Big D managing editor Josh Lile wrote an article about Keefe recently over at his new site, Mooterati, where he goes into this topic in greater detail and provides an abundance of additional links.

Absolutely not, but I don't think that Keefe has ever been accused of sexual abuse, right? I expect that you have some receipts for this claim. As far as I'm aware, Keefe's main crime was being a dumb kid who made some poor choices. If I'm wrong, and there is any evidence of criminal behaviour, please do enlighten me.
- lumlums

Even Frost was charged but not convicted. Keefe was a tormented adolescent soul. From what I've read his story of re-invention and accomplishment is actually pretty remarkable. I assume it's why so many in the NHL world speak about him with so much respect.

He could've ended up like Danton but seems to have turned it all around.

i said a 'proper' education.
management degrees don't count.
- MaximusAurelius

there goes my degree in economy

there goes my degree in economy
- 21peter

economy degree is nothing like a 'management degree'.

there goes my degree in economy
- 21peter

Pfft. Economy?! You might as well have a degree in tooth fairies.

Everyone knows money is just made up!

has there been a team that fired their coach in Nov and put someone with little to no NHL coaching exp in place and went on to success?

Doubt it

Fire dewbus

I feel like this is going to come in handy over the next few days/weeks

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