If Keefe Craig Berube’s this and you people pull a St. Louis Blues...

*Hopes that provides reverse juju*

Bix
- Steven_Seagull

Whiskey and reefer. Just here to read and have a laugh at the craziness.

Cheers

Craig Button loves Sheldon Keefe



We're doomed
- TheMussel

(frank)!

Yeah but nah.

The Marlies only developed Dermott
- Santo_44

Read my original, angry, drunken rant:

It's not that the Leafs aren't using their AHL team to develop players.

It's that they are doing the same as every other franking team in the league. Quit telling the world that the Marlies are so franking wonderful. Hell, there's a strong argument that their use of a bloated payroll is to the detriment of the development of young players - you've got 32 year old tweeners who are taking away ice time.

Nylander played on the Marlies. So does Sandin. That's what 1st round picks outside the top 3 do.

It's not proof that Keefe was a hockey genius.

What's that say about the Leafs ? being 9 points behind the inferior Oilers bottom six.
- Reveen

idk man. oilers are rolling.

the leafs bottom 6 is garbage.

our backup goalie is garbage.

we inexplicably have 3 of the 7 highest caphits in the league on our roster.

we just fired the coach that 2 years ago lead a team of young players to the best season in franchise history.

under him we saw guys in the mid-20's put up career years: rielly 70 points, gardiner 50 points, kadri 30 goal seasons

younger players flourished offensively: marner 90 point season, johnnson, hyman and kap 20 goal seasons, matthews Calder, top 5 in goal scoring in the nhl.

but he couldn't coach and develop young players.

we probably get a short-term boost. doesn't look good long-term, but i hope i am wrong.

If Keefe Craig Berube’s this and you people pull a St. Louis Blues...

*Hopes that provides reverse juju*
- RickJames77

The Boston Christmas tree came from just down the road. Fyi.

If Keefe Craig Berube’s this and you people pull a St. Louis Blues...

*Hopes that provides reverse juju*
- RickJames77

Pull a St. Louis as in multiple coaching changes and years of 1st round exit disappointments before winning a cup?

God I hope so... one day

So now we are giving credit for 1st round picks playing in the AHL first?

Gauthier? Really?
- Atomic Wedgie

where a player is drafted means nothing to development.

So now we are giving credit for 1st round picks playing in the AHL first?

Gauthier? Really?
- Atomic Wedgie

Yes really.

he couldn't skate and was barely an AHL level player. Look where he is now? That is called development.

Kapanen and Johnnson both played two seasons on the marlies.

Holl played a bunch.

Hyman played a season.

Tamishov played three.

Dermott played one and half.

Nylander played 90+ games in the AHL.

The Boston Christmas tree came from just down the road. Fyi.
- bixll

Que es esto?

idk man. oilers are rolling.

the leafs bottom 6 is garbage.

our backup goalie is garbage.

we inexplicably have 3 of the 7 highest caphits in the league on our roster.

we just fired the coach that 2 years ago lead a team of young players to the best season in franchise history.

under him we saw guys in the mid-20's put up career years: rielly 70 points, gardiner 50 points, kadri 30 goal seasons

younger players flourished offensively: marner 90 point season, johnnson, hyman and kap 20 goal seasons, matthews Calder, top 5 in goal scoring in the nhl.

but he couldn't coach and develop young players.

we probably get a short-term boost. doesn't look good long-term, but i hope i am wrong.
- Steven_Stamkos

k

The Boston Christmas tree came from just down the road. Fyi.
- bixll

One of my favourite stories.

Wedgie's gotta go to a hockey meeting - I'll check in with you later (after a few pops).

Be prepared for me to bring it!

Craig Button loves Sheldon Keefe



We're doomed
- TheMussel

You win.

Read my original, angry, drunken rant:

It's not that the Leafs aren't using their AHL team to develop players.

It's that they are doing the same as every other franking team in the league. Quit telling the world that the Marlies are so franking wonderful. Hell, there's a strong argument that their use of a bloated payroll is to the detriment of the development of young players - you've got 32 year old tweeners who are taking away ice time.

Nylander played on the Marlies. So does Sandin. That's what 1st round picks outside the top 3 do.

It's not proof that Keefe was a hockey genius.
- Atomic Wedgie

Are you sure about that?

Give me proof.

Don't just say things to say things show me proof that other teams have developed players just as well through their AHL team.

k
- Steven_Seagull

From the outside looking in. I say a shannahan should have been fired first.

where a player is drafted means nothing to development.
- senstroll

Pre managment (frank)ed that pick up and the Leafs did something with it.

- TheMussel

Leafs have 3 injuries. People are upset that the 13th, 14th, and 15th forwards aren’t top-6...

Pull a St. Louis as in multiple coaching changes and years of 1st round exit disappointments before winning a cup?

God I hope so... one day
- TheMussel

Multiple coaching changes- ✓

Years of 1st round exits- ✓

Finally win the Cup- Pending...

idk man. oilers are rolling.

the leafs bottom 6 is garbage.

our backup goalie is garbage.

we inexplicably have 3 of the 7 highest caphits in the league on our roster.

we just fired the coach that 2 years ago lead a team of young players to the best season in franchise history.

under him we saw guys in the mid-20's put up career years: rielly 70 points, gardiner 50 points, kadri 30 goal seasons

younger players flourished offensively: marner 90 point season, johnnson, hyman and kap 20 goal seasons, matthews Calder, top 5 in goal scoring in the nhl.

but he couldn't coach and develop young players.

we probably get a short-term boost. doesn't look good long-term, but i hope i am wrong.
- Steven_Stamkos

my point was this team is more than a coaching change away from turning it around... i think Dubas needs to take some responsibility and tweak the roster

From the outside looking in. I say a shannahan should have been fired first.
- spazzbot

Thanks for your input. I’ll put it in the trash later, thanks.

Read my original, angry, drunken rant:

It's not that the Leafs aren't using their AHL team to develop players.

It's that they are doing the same as every other franking team in the league. Quit telling the world that the Marlies are so franking wonderful. Hell, there's a strong argument that their use of a bloated payroll is to the detriment of the development of young players - you've got 32 year old tweeners who are taking away ice time.

Nylander played on the Marlies. So does Sandin. That's what 1st round picks outside the top 3 do.

It's not proof that Keefe was a hockey genius.
- Atomic Wedgie

Interesting that you can say that, yet completely disregard the Johnsson, kapanen, Moore, dermott, types. Which for the record, I wouldn't say makes keefe a genius either. I don't think anyone is saying he's a genius.

He's managed to graduate a lot of guys to the NHL, and a good chunk of them were not first rounders outside of the top 3. That's not a bad thing.

At the end of the day a fresh voice was clearly required. Keefe has had success taking teams dubas has assembled deep in the past, they're clearly on a page that Babcock and dubas weren't.

The team is trending towards the leagues taint, is doing this really going to hurt them? For (frank) sakes, he literally hasn't coached a team with the team yet and people are so butt hurt they're shovelling dirt on his casket. Welcome to leaf nation.

my point was this team is more than a coaching change away from turning it around... i think Dubas needs to take some responsibility and tweak the roster
- Reveen

Fair

Honest question - Since we are talking about development - Which ex Marlies coach did a better job of it. Eakins or Keefe ?

Cause DE did a great job of it with the Gulls.