The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. How many times do we have to go through the same bull poop before we try something different. Jakes been moved down the line up how many times now with NO CHANGE. Sitting him is not going to cost us a game and even if it did id rather lose 1 game than lose another 4 with Jake "the no show" Voracek nowhere to be found
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Please stop.

No doubt they are. And I agree that the new kid thing is overblown to a degree. \

But the thing is about being a new parent, on those days where he would catch Zzzz's after a road trip or a game or a practice, it is really hard to not want to spend time with your new son, especially if you haven't seen him in a few days or weeks. And at that age, it is like looking at a new child every time because they develop THAT fast.

He will figure it out.
- MBFlyerfan

Nobody will blame him if he just sends the kid to boarding school.

Yeah, let's put Chris Stewart in again. That'll solve everything.
- Tomahawk

I don’t think it matter either way.

Please stop.
- ClaudeFather

I will when Voracek spends a night in the Cote Suite or gets his poop together

He also fights, plays a “heavy” game and brings the sick shootout skills to the team
- corduroy

Chris Stewart is a crum of our cap and not even playing and yet his play is somehow our biggest concern.

Hayes is like ordering a poopty Birthday cake nobody wants but we force ourselves to eat it anyway because the only cake we have.

Please stop.
- ClaudeFather

Maybe if we all say it

Pleeeeeeeeeeease stop.

Chris Stewart is a crum of our cap and not even playing and yet his play is somehow our biggest concern.

Hayes is like ordering a poopty Birthday cake nobody wants but we force ourselves to eat it anyway because the only cake we have.
- SuperSchennBros

Points for flare. Honestly, I laughed.

This is work..... They get paid to perform a job. Yes they cant be fired but the premise is still the same....
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

No, they can't be fired. What are you talking about? LOL Your premise of equating this with a work situation is ridiculous.

Chris Stewart is a crum of our cap and not even playing and yet his play is somehow our biggest concern.

Hayes is like ordering a poopty Birthday cake nobody wants but we force ourselves to eat it anyway because the only cake we have.
- SuperSchennBros

Hayes has to average .70 points per game the rest of the season to get to 50 points.

Thats not the argument though. I realize he isnt getting fired but he works as a hockey player. That is his job. His job is to preform a certain level. He is not. He was demoted and there was no change. So the next step is to demote him further and scratch him. What everyone else is proposing is "Oh well we tried. Guess he just has to figure it out himself"
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

No not by himself. That's what they have coaches for. Scratching him is not he answer.

Jake may be pretty banged up. I know a few games back he was hurting going back to the bench a few times.
Not trying to excuse his game because I would borderline bench him.
He used to be very good at protecting the puck. Now he is losing board battles and making bad passes.
Hayes looks like he is trying to do to much. He has had open guys in the O zone and hesitated then lost the chance and ends up making a low percentage play.
JVR is a net front guy. If Jake or Hayes. Any even get the puck to the net the JVR is essentially almost neutralized.
This line to me doesn’t have the skaters to dump and chase. They need to ensure the zone with puck possession.
On top of that with these guys not scoring I doubt they are seeing shut down lines.
With all of that and these guys can’t generate pressure playing against 2nd and 3rd lines is telling.

The game against Edmonton I remember him being one of our best if not the best forward on our team, constantly driving play, but also this was when he was on the left wing. also, vs Carolina two weeks ago i thought he was our best forward. now I know thats only two games, but A it's just off the top of my head, and B he's not gonna be the best forward every game. I agree he needs to be better, but saying he needs to raise his game, isn't that as obvious as you can get? its all well and good to say he needs to score more, hustle more, etc etc, you don't think he's trying to do that? you can't be attempting to raise your game but still maybe overthink it or still grip the stick too tight? raising your game is easier said than done. Moving back to the left wing and simplifying your game and going back to the basics is a tactic players have used, and coaches have preached, for decades now.

Significantly lacking I also believe is over-exaggerating it. look no further than the wide open net he missed last night. thats a routine play for G, and he missed wide. he's putting himself in good positions, he still has positive advanced stats, he's just pressing. I think the 3 (JVR, Jake, G) are all pressing, and i think its pretty evident.
- sjk540

I have not seen a single game where Giroux has been close to being the teams best forward. It's not an exaggeration, it's a fact. He's not pressing, he's playing like crap. No passes for any of those players. Times up, time to produce.

It was couple years ago in Dallas. Jake is not putting up points. Bill pointed out that all his points came from like 3-4 games
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

What happened to your erroneous claim that Voracek is always a slow starter?

No, they can't be fired. What are you talking about? LOL Your premise of equating this with a work situation is ridiculous.
- MJL

No it isnt. Their job is to play hockey. It is a career. They get paid a lot of money as a star player to preform. If I dont preform at my job I get demoted same thing applies to an NHL player. He was demoted to 3rd line and he did not improve. The next step in the demotion is to sit in the pressbox. After that you look into AHL demotion, trade or buyout. NHL is one of few sports that have guaranteed contracts for their players. Most other sports allow teams to just cut guys which is being fired. NHL is unionized.

The only thing that is ridiculous is the fact you keep fighting me on this. But you will continue and continue to fight it because thats what you do. You make general lazy retorts over and over again until the person who argues with you gives up.

What happened to your erroneous claim that Voracek is always a slow starter?
- MJL

He is but enough is enough. We cant just sit here and accept "Well, he will show up in the 2nd half". This team does the same thing every year, yes things will likely be fine but things need to change. We cant just accept paying 8 million dollars for 40 games.

I actually think Hayes is putting in a lot of effort and has been great defensively and on the PK but on offense it seems like he tries to do too much out there

Not defending his production - he needs more offense full stop. But I dont think hes being lazy or not working...something I can't say about Jake

Hayes has to average .70 points per game the rest of the season to get to 50 points.
- PLindbergh31

At least he is good on the PK and doesn't solely rely on points to prove his worth.

Jake and Ghost on the other hand...

I actually think Hayes is putting in a lot of effort and has been great defensively and on the PK but on offense it seems like he tries to do too much out there

Not defending his production - he needs more offense full stop. But I dont think hes being lazy or not working...something I can't say about Jake
- bulet13

Hayes is -9 and he's been awful on faceoffs 44.6% let's not make him out to be Joel Otto circa 1988.

lotta money for Hayes and his 4 goals thus far....

Hayes is -9 and he's been awful on faceoffs 44.6% let's not make him out to be Joel Otto circa 1988.
- PLindbergh31

+/- is a pretty terrible stat. Hes also had to drag around Jake and Twarinski for half the season. Hes been good defensively but that's not good enough for someone getting paid like he is. He needs to start producing more offense, as I said in the previous post

Hayes is -9 and he's been awful on faceoffs 44.6% let's not make him out to be Joel Otto circa 1988.
- PLindbergh31

good ole Joel Otto.

hey Carchidi has us sending Vorecek to Calgary for Guadreau….if it was only that easy....c'mon fletch make it happen!!!

+/- is a pretty terrible stat. Hes also had to drag around Jake and Twarinski for half the season. Hes been good defensively but that's not good enough for someone getting paid like he is. He needs to start producing more offense, as I said in the previous post
- bulet13

I don't see how +/- is a terrible stat. It doesn't tell the entire story, but if a player is on the ice for a ton of goals against he's part of the problem. What about the faceoff %?

Offensive side of the puck, he's been non competitive outside a handful of games. 5 of his 8 points came in a 3 game stretch.

LOL. This is not work. Voracek has a guaranteed contract that pays him millions. They cant fire him
I stopped reading after that.
- MJL

If the lack of consistency continues I would try to trade jake this year. I would also listen carefully to anyone interested in jvr and ghost. I know people have bashed g for not producing this year. He isn’t the issue to me. Yes he needs to be better but am done watching jake play every fifth game.

He is but enough is enough. We cant just sit here and accept "Well, he will show up in the 2nd half". This team does the same thing every year, yes things will likely be fine but things need to change. We cant just accept paying 8 million dollars for 40 games.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Your claims that Voracek has also been a slow starter in recent seasons is incorrect. If they don't like Voracek as a player anymore than the remedy is to try and trade him.