not sure I like the figure it out line. Jake is just invisible out there. While I was a big fan of the Hayes signing, he has been horrible, some good D plays but zero O and holding the puck too long. My biggest concern is that he loses faceoffs cleanly way to often. Looks like lack of effort but pretty sure the confidence is shot.

They are a young team, they will go through ups and downs, lets hope they gel.

Missing Laughton.

Lines I would do

G-Frost-TK
LindBlom-Coots-JAKE
JVR-Hayes-Farabee
Pitlick-Laughton-Raffle

Frost looked the part last night, the skill is obvious, a skill that is similar to G which is missing on this team.

Haven't you heard? Giroux has a newborn at home. He's not getting enough shuteye.
- PLindbergh31

While this is all speculation, when you have a baby it is foolish to assume all is well whether its the baby's health or even the mother's mental health after giving birth. Yes, Giroux is a pro and paid top dollar, but he is only human.

Yep. The Flyers were given the choice of trading him for the best package they could get or letting him leave for Russia with no compensation.

Clearly, they made the wrong choice.
- jmatchett383

and Bob won a cup, I mean multiple rounds in the playoffs, ok 1 round.

While this is all speculation, when you have a baby it is foolish to assume all is well whether its the baby's health or even the mother's mental health after giving birth. Yes, Giroux is a pro and paid top dollar, but he is only human.
- arichardson22

I did a little research, after Gretzky became a Father for the first time he went from 168 points to 142. So there is something to the lack of production if you use this example.

Has anyone tried out the new Assembly Room at the WFC? I got tix for Saturday.

Haven't you heard? Giroux has a newborn at home. He's not getting enough shuteye.
- PLindbergh31

travel
schedule
tired
continents
new coach
new system
linemates

feel free to add your own excuses

I did a little research, after Gretzky became a Father for the first time he went from 168 points to 142. So there is something to the lack of production if you use this example.
- PLindbergh31

It's hard to score with a new baby in the house

travel
schedule
tired
continents
new coach
new system
linemates

feel free to add your own excuses
- corduroy

The issue for this team most nights is lack of scoring. For the most part team defense, goaltending and forecheck have been good enough to win on most nights. This is where the lack of point production from JVR, Voracek and Giroux are hurting this team. All three have a track record of producing points. Hopefully, the first 21 games are just a slump.

Flyers don't hit at all this season. Niskanen has had a few hits but really overall the Flyers aren't hitting really at all.

Not only did Frost look like a bona fide NHL player, he was one of their best forwards in the game last night. He did not look overmatched physically, which is what I expected. Not only that but he was better than Giroux, Voracek, Hayes and vanRiemsdyke last night. It's one game but he played very well. Can anyone tell me that any of the 4 veteran players I named are matching the heart and determination that Konecny or Lindblom display game in and game out?

Not only did Frost look like a bona fide NHL player, he was one of their best forwards in the game last night. He did not look overmatched physically, which is what I expected. Not only that but he was better than Giroux, Voracek, Hayes and vanRiemsdyke last night. It's one game but he played very well. Can anyone tell me that any of the 4 veteran players I named are matching the heart and determination that Konecny or Lindblom display game in and game out?
- MJL

G and Hayes seem to be showing more heart than Jake and JVR . Still no where near the amount of the two you mentioned but Jake, JVR and their 15M seem to have been MIA in almost every game. I was hoping Jake would have been moved in the off season.

Not only did Frost look like a bona fide NHL player, he was one of their best forwards in the game last night. He did not look overmatched physically, which is what I expected. Not only that but he was better than Giroux, Voracek, Hayes and vanRiemsdyke last night. It's one game but he played very well. Can anyone tell me that any of the 4 veteran players I named are matching the heart and determination that Konecny or Lindblom display game in and game out?
- MJL

They’re going to have to take drastic measures to break up the core if this continues. It’s going to have to be summer moves. If that includes attaching a 1st to get rid of Jake, then so be it.

They’re going to have to take drastic measures to break up the core if this continues. It’s going to have to be summer moves. If that includes attaching a 1st to get rid of Jake, then so be it.
- Just5

Fletcher is the man to do it right? Right????? I mean you have to have all the confidence in the world in him to pull it off.

Hart with an off night.
The black holes on this team continue to be just that.
Giroux wasn't a problem but wasn't a solution and that simply isn't good enough for him.

Frost goal was ridiculous and he actually had a few other plays I loved.

Thursday becomes the next huge game as this streak could really snowball into disaster.
- opeth_pa

I guess the days of him putting the team on his back are gone? I mean, i can understand since he's been doing it for so long, i just find it ironic that we may have iced our most talented team in the better of a decade and we still can't seem to break through on a nightly basis.

additionally, that wide open net he had i swear giroux would make 10/10 times. that would've tied the game i believe and maybe have a much different outcome.

i will say, the G line was buzzing, i really like having an all skill line like that and then counter with a line like coots and lindblom, although I think I would put voracek back with those 2 and have farabee drop down to the JVR/Hayes line

Not only did Frost look like a bona fide NHL player, he was one of their best forwards in the game last night. He did not look overmatched physically, which is what I expected. Not only that but he was better than Giroux, Voracek, Hayes and vanRiemsdyke last night. It's one game but he played very well. Can anyone tell me that any of the 4 veteran players I named are matching the heart and determination that Konecny or Lindblom display game in and game out?
- MJL

I would say G does on a night in night out basis for sure. he's been doing it for over a decade and unfortunately the points just aren't coming. i think he's over thinking it out there a bit, you can see with some of his cross ice passes coming out of the d zone or trying to weave around opposing players at their blue line to have a controlled zone entry. I think he just maybe tries to do too much and needs to simplify his game before going back to the player we know he's capable of being.

I guess the days of him putting the team on his back are gone? I mean, i can understand since he's been doing it for so long, i just find it ironic that we may have iced our most talented team in the better of a decade and we still can't seem to break through on a nightly basis.

additionally, that wide open net he had i swear giroux would make 10/10 times. that would've tied the game i believe and maybe have a much different outcome.

i will say, the G line was buzzing, i really like having an all skill line like that and then counter with a line like coots and lindblom, although I think I would put voracek back with those 2 and have farabee drop down to the JVR/Hayes line
- sjk540

I was shocked he missed that. I'm not sure if its been mentioned, but i wonder if Giroux is playing with a small injury like Couts has been

I wish they'd just give up on Jake. He has been a problem for this teams identity for a long time now. Being a vet, he is supposed to be setting an example for the younger guys, but it's been the other way around. He's no doubt been a point producer for the Flyers, but doesn't really hold any value other than that. I imagine Seattle will be the most likely way to shed his contract, and even then, we will be giving up something else to make it happen.
The only time I noticed the Jake-JVR-Hayes line last night was when they changed. They always seemed to be hanging out in the neutral zone, ready to change (particularly Jake and JVR). Do these guys even want to skate? JVR showed some promise back checking for a couple of games last week, but is invisible out there again.
Jake and JVR are just not in it like they should be. Imagine what we could do with the money they are paid. Hayes hasn't been very good lately, but I do think he just needs to tweak a few thing and get back his confidence. At least he's trying out there. Maybe trying to do too much at times, but he's trying.
Frost was a welcome addition last night, and showed a lot of composure for someone playing their first NHL game. Hopefully he continues to play this way and can keep his spot. I wasn't as worried going into last night as some others on HB regarding his size. He's filled out quite a bit in the last year or so, and has looked strong enough to handle the NHL to me.
Farabee had some rough plays last night, and just didn't seem in it like he usually is.
Overall, I'm excited by the youth on this team, and if we can get rid of some of the uninspiring vets, we may have a shot in a couple of years.
Lastly, Elliot has been a welcome surprise this year. I really thought he was done after all the injury issues, but he's provided much needed stability for this transitioning team this season. Hopefully he stays healthy this year.

I would say G does on a night in night out basis for sure. he's been doing it for over a decade and unfortunately the points just aren't coming. i think he's over thinking it out there a bit, you can see with some of his cross ice passes coming out of the d zone or trying to weave around opposing players at their blue line to have a controlled zone entry. I think he just maybe tries to do too much and needs to simplify his game before going back to the player we know he's capable of being.
- sjk540

I disagree completely with that. I'm not saying he is dogging it but his level of determination and will to win is significantly lacking. Giroux is a veteran who has been a quality player in this league for a long time. This is not about simplifying his game. It's about raising his level of play. Name one game for me where Giroux has been the best Flyers forward?

Is it time for this yet?

I wish they'd just give up on Jake. He has been a problem for this teams identity for a long time now. Being a vet, he is supposed to be setting an example for the younger guys, but it's been the other way around. He's no doubt been a point producer for the Flyers, but doesn't really hold any value other than that. I imagine Seattle will be the most likely way to shed his contract, and even then, we will be giving up something else to make it happen.
The only time I noticed the Jake-JVR-Hayes line last night was when they changed. They always seemed to be hanging out in the neutral zone, ready to change (particularly Jake and JVR). Do these guys even want to skate? JVR showed some promise back checking for a couple of games last week, but is invisible out there again.
Jake and JVR are just not in it like they should be. Imagine what we could do with the money they are paid. Hayes hasn't been very good lately, but I do think he just needs to tweak a few thing and get back his confidence. At least he's trying out there. Maybe trying to do too much at times, but he's trying.
Frost was a welcome addition last night, and showed a lot of composure for someone playing their first NHL game. Hopefully he continues to play this way and can keep his spot. I wasn't as worried going into last night as some others on HB regarding his size. He's filled out quite a bit in the last year or so, and has looked strong enough to handle the NHL to me.
Farabee had some rough plays last night, and just didn't seem in it like he usually is.
Overall, I'm excited by the youth on this team, and if we can get rid of some of the uninspiring vets, we may have a shot in a couple of years.
Lastly, Elliot has been a welcome surprise this year. I really thought he was done after all the injury issues, but he's provided much needed stability for this transitioning team this season. Hopefully he stays healthy this year.
- dramado

Yea Seattle will take Jake or jvr but only with draft capital attached. Send them the picks

Fletcher is the man to do it right? Right????? I mean you have to have all the confidence in the world in him to pull it off.
- PLindbergh31

who else? he's the GM. I think they now know what they have. It's Fletches team (good or bad) to continue to mold it his way.

for all the people saying they should have moved on from Voracek...8,250,000 cap hit for 4 more years after this one. that contract won't be easy to move. he, as well as Hayes and JVR have the capability of playing better as does Giroux altho his point output is more of the issue to me than his actual play.

what is exciting is the average age of Farabee, Frost, Hart, Konecny, Lindblom, Myers, Provorov and Sanheim is 21.5. and add the other kids that have been given a look like Vorobyev, Bunnaman, Twarynski and Rubtsov. such a shame they don't have Patrick right now. Laughton and Couturier are still both 26 and under.

that said, unless they get better play from the veteran forwards this team won't be good enough.

I guess the days of him putting the team on his back are gone? I mean, i can understand since he's been doing it for so long, i just find it ironic that we may have iced our most talented team in the better of a decade and we still can't seem to break through on a nightly basis.

additionally, that wide open net he had i swear giroux would make 10/10 times. that would've tied the game i believe and maybe have a much different outcome.

i will say, the G line was buzzing, i really like having an all skill line like that and then counter with a line like coots and lindblom, although I think I would put voracek back with those 2 and have farabee drop down to the JVR/Hayes line
- sjk540

One thing i'll say is that I don't like the idea of putting three struggling players on the same line. I know AV doesn't want to shake up Coot's like but might have to look at putting them on the line just to see if they can snap out.

Maybe AV needs to do less "trust the pro-cess" and more trashcan-kicking?

Not a good sign when the veterans that got challenged by the coach didn't show up again.

how many coaches now and same "leadership" core in place.

What does this team really have to sell the fan base? Not 1 superstar player in the organization imo. This what year 6 of a half ass@d "rebuild". No real results. Stuck in mediocre land. Tons of empty seats at the rink.

They are a borderline playoff team.