Ha..Well played!


Any good food places near the Santa Monica Pier that you know about? Im planning my next two trips to Blizz Campus.
- opeth_pa

i live in the SF area

i live in the SF area
- 2Real

Ahh,..got it.

I hope this as others said is just to get frost some experience quick. Hope he’s one of those players that performs better at the higher level but has been inconsistent in the ahl. We shall see.

Still would of chosen Patrick at #2, but my only concern is what else did the Flyers uncover while scouting him, chronic migraines do NOT pop up out of the blue overnight. Not to mention his known injury that caused a slow start to his career.

On the other side of the coin, how many teams have gone off board and regretted it. Boston comes to mind in 2015. 3, again I repeat THREE 1st round picks in a row and they passed on Barzal, Connor, Chabot, Samsonov, Boeser and others. Sure Debrusk is having a decent young career so far, but 27 goals isn't that big of a deal when you look at what they could of had and none of those players were "woah what a surprise" picks.
- Glak18

No team really follows the 'consensus' tho.

Just looking at the Flyers, they've 'gone off the board' a few notable times and have struck it big (Gagne, Giroux, Richards, Sanheim, Frost) and also seen mixed results (Laughton, Downie). They've also had seen players inexplicably fall into their laps (Coots, TK, Hagg). The few times when their pick did line up with the consensus, it still resulted in some underwhelming results (JVR, Sbisa, probably NP). Even the Provorov pick, which was perfectly reasonable... they still had to pass on Rantanen to make it.

Guessing most teams' draft histories look similar, to varying degrees. Flyers tend to come out on top with their gambles. Boston somehow has too.

As far as NP specifically, that #2 pick was a gift from the hockey gods. Frost and Ratcliffe are really top-end, Cates, Kalynuk and Sushko have looked good so far too. I think it'll be deemed a successful draft class for the Flyers even if NP busts out.

Nopa was a consensus top 2 pick the entire year. Saying otherwise is rewriting history.
- bulet13

Were there not injury concerns coming out of the draft?

i live in the SF area
- 2Real

have you stepped in human excrement on the sidewalks yet?

No team really follows the 'consensus' tho.

Just looking at the Flyers, they've 'gone off the board' a few notable times and have struck it big (Gagne, Giroux, Richards, Sanheim, Frost) and also seen mixed results (Laughton, Downie). They've also had seen players inexplicably fall into their laps (Coots, TK, Hagg). The few times when their pick did line up with the consensus, it still resulted in some underwhelming results (JVR, Sbisa, probably NP). Even the Provorov pick, which was perfectly reasonable... they still had to pass on Rantanen to make it.

Guessing most teams' draft histories look similar, to varying degrees. Flyers tend to come out on top with their gambles. Boston somehow has too.

As far as NP specifically, that #2 pick was a gift from the hockey gods. Frost and Ratcliffe are really top-end, Cates, Kalynuk and Sushko have looked good so far too. I think it'll be deemed a successful draft class for the Flyers even if NP busts out.
- Tomahawk

If you go back 20 years how many players drafted # 2 have been a bust?

Ryan Murray, Jordan Staal.... Would you call them busts? Can't find worse players than them at # 2

If you go back 20 years how many players drafted # 2 have been a bust?

Ryan Murray, Jordan Staal.... Would you call them busts? Can't find worse players than them at # 2
- PLindbergh31

Jordan Staal is not a bust whatsoever, was never labelled to be a huge point guy.

If you go back 20 years how many players drafted # 2 have been a bust?

Ryan Murray, Jordan Staal.... Would you call them busts? Can't find worse players than them at # 2
- PLindbergh31

Yes it sucks that NoPa wont play this year, looks like he may not play this season and who knows about anything beyond that.

Yes he was the number 2 pick that just about every team in the league would have taken in that draft.

If you go back 20 years how many players drafted # 2 have been a bust?

Ryan Murray, Jordan Staal.... Would you call them busts? Can't find worse players than them at # 2
- PLindbergh31

There have been a number of 1st-overall busts in the past 20-years, so probably some teams got lucky that they were picking #2.

If you go back 20 years how many players drafted # 2 have been a bust?

Ryan Murray, Jordan Staal.... Would you call them busts? Can't find worse players than them at # 2
- PLindbergh31

Bobby Ryan (post-Anaheim)

There have been a number of 1st-overall busts in the past 20-years, so probably some teams got lucky that they were picking #2.


- Tomahawk

That 2012 class...it's bad when Alex Galchenyuk is the best player out of the top-4 picks (Nail Yakupov, Ryan Murray, Griffin Reinhart).

That 2012 class...it's bad when Alex Galchenyuk is the best player out of the top-4 picks (Nail Yakupov, Ryan Murray, Griffin Reinhart).
- jmatchett383

Remember Nail or Mikhail (Grigorenko)?

There have been a number of 1st-overall busts in the past 20-years, so probably some teams got lucky that they were picking #2.


- Tomahawk

By my count, past twenty drafts, there's only been two. That's not "there have been a number of 1st-overall busts in the past 20 years".....at least in my opinion.


2000 New York Islanders Rick DiPietro
2001 Atlanta Thrashers Ilya Kovalchuk
2002 Columbus Blue Jackets Rick Nash
2003 Pittsburgh Penguins Marc-Andre Fleury
2004 Washington Capitals Alexander Ovechkin
2005 Pittsburgh Penguins Sidney Crosby
2006 St. Louis Blues Erik Johnson
2007 Chicago Blackhawks Patrick Kane
2008 Tampa Bay Lightning Steven Stamkos
2009 New York Islanders John Tavares
2010 Edmonton Oilers Taylor Hall
2011 Edmonton Oilers Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
2012 Edmonton Oilers Nail Yakupov
2013 Colorado Avalanche Nathan MacKinnon
2014 Florida Panthers Aaron Ekblad
2015 Edmonton Oilers Connor McDavid
2016 Toronto Maple Leafs Auston Matthews
2017 New Jersey Devils Nico Hischier
2018 Buffalo Sabres Rasmus Dahlin
2019 New Jersey Devils Jack Hughes

If you go back 20 years how many players drafted # 2 have been a bust?

Ryan Murray, Jordan Staal.... Would you call them busts? Can't find worse players than them at # 2
- PLindbergh31

Pat Falloon

By my count, past twenty drafts, there's only been two. That's not "there have been a number of 1st-overall busts in the past 20 years".....at least in my opinion.


2000 New York Islanders Rick DiPietro
2001 Atlanta Thrashers Ilya Kovalchuk
2002 Columbus Blue Jackets Rick Nash
2003 Pittsburgh Penguins Marc-Andre Fleury
2004 Washington Capitals Alexander Ovechkin
2005 Pittsburgh Penguins Sidney Crosby
2006 St. Louis Blues Erik Johnson
2007 Chicago Blackhawks Patrick Kane
2008 Tampa Bay Lightning Steven Stamkos
2009 New York Islanders John Tavares
2010 Edmonton Oilers Taylor Hall
2011 Edmonton Oilers Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
2012 Edmonton Oilers Nail Yakupov
2013 Colorado Avalanche Nathan MacKinnon
2014 Florida Panthers Aaron Ekblad
2015 Edmonton Oilers Connor McDavid
2016 Toronto Maple Leafs Auston Matthews
2017 New Jersey Devils Nico Hischier
2018 Buffalo Sabres Rasmus Dahlin
2019 New Jersey Devils Jack Hughes
- DraftandDestroy

What jumps out there more to me then anything is how can the Oilers have struggled as much until recently with 4 First overall picks..that is crazy.

By my count, past twenty drafts, there's only been two. That's not "there have been a number of 1st-overall busts in the past 20 years".....at least in my opinion.


2000 New York Islanders Rick DiPietro
2001 Atlanta Thrashers Ilya Kovalchuk
2002 Columbus Blue Jackets Rick Nash
2003 Pittsburgh Penguins Marc-Andre Fleury
2004 Washington Capitals Alexander Ovechkin
2005 Pittsburgh Penguins Sidney Crosby
2006 St. Louis Blues Erik Johnson
2007 Chicago Blackhawks Patrick Kane
2008 Tampa Bay Lightning Steven Stamkos
2009 New York Islanders John Tavares
2010 Edmonton Oilers Taylor Hall
2011 Edmonton Oilers Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
2012 Edmonton Oilers Nail Yakupov
2013 Colorado Avalanche Nathan MacKinnon
2014 Florida Panthers Aaron Ekblad
2015 Edmonton Oilers Connor McDavid
2016 Toronto Maple Leafs Auston Matthews
2017 New Jersey Devils Nico Hischier
2018 Buffalo Sabres Rasmus Dahlin
2019 New Jersey Devils Jack Hughes
- DraftandDestroy

Sorry I counted 1999 (Stefan) since he said 20-years, not 20 drafts.

What jumps out there more to me then anything is how can the Oilers have struggled as much until recently with 4 First overall picks..that is crazy.
- opeth_pa

Because building is more than just drafting high, a concept they've only recently come to terms with. Outside of the first round their drafting, up until a few years ago, was pretty much non-existent.

Plus, aren't these the guys he played with in camp / preseason? He wasn't playing with any of the bottom 6 guys if I'm remembering correctly
- arichardson22

Frost was playing with Farabee in pre season and Farabee was head and shoulder the better player. I’m sure Frost was playing with the best talent the Phantoms have to offer. How was Frost doing nightly? Again, I don’t expect Frost to step in and be better than Giroux, Couturier and Hayes at the nhl level. Each of which are struggling down the middle (Coots might be only exception).

Sorry I counted 1999 (Stefan) since he said 20-years, not 20 drafts.
- Tomahawk

Semantics really, even it you go back 30 years the number of players taken first overall who bust out is really minimal. There's more HHOF'ers than there are busts, that's for sure!

Today's franchises put a lot more science and education into drafting, the ole "eye test" from some old scout doesn't wash any longer.

Bobby Ryan (post-Anaheim)
- jmatchett383

Ryan has had a better career than JVR.

The Nolan Patrick debate of what he is, isn’t or could have been is weird for me. He’s 21 right now. Some players don’t break into the league until they’re 21 and don’t break out until they’re in their mid 20’s.

Worry when it’s time to worry.

Semantics really, even it you go back 30 years the number of players taken first overall who bust out is really minimal. There's more HHOF'ers than there are busts, that's for sure!

Today's franchises put a lot more science and education into drafting, the ole "eye test" from some old scout doesn't wash any longer.
- DraftandDestroy

Just thought it was interesting that there were more 1st-overall busts than 2nd-overalls within the given time frame. Not making a commentary about the quality of 1st-overall picks or anything.

The Nolan Patrick debate of what he is, isn’t or could have been is weird for me. He’s 21 right now. Some players don’t break into the league until they’re 21 and don’t break out until they’re in their mid 20’s.

Worry when it’s time to worry.
- SuperSchennBros

To me his production will eventually fall into line with that of Jordan Staal's, which is nether good nor bad, just disappointing given he was touted as a highend offensive player. Unlike J. Staal.

Pat Falloon
- BiggE

Good thing the Sharks got Falloon instead of Scott Niedermayer. Blew up in the Devils collective faces.