I think putting Frost with G and TK is brilliant. Too often NHL teams start highly skilled rookies on a line with plugs and then the fans wonder why they aren’t putting up points. Frost is a quality playmaker who can also finish. Having him play with highly talented, smart linemates makes perfect sense.

I think putting Frost with G and TK is brilliant. Too often NHL teams start highly skilled rookies on a line with plugs and then the fans wonder why they aren’t putting up points. Frost is a quality playmaker who can also finish. Having him play with highly talented, smart linemates makes perfect sense.
- BiggE

Agreed, put him with guys that are offensive threats, playing him with Raffl and Andreoff isn't taking advantage of his skillset. I'm expecting a good game tonight, 3 really good lines on paper, Hart in the net.

I think putting Frost with G and TK is brilliant. Too often NHL teams start highly skilled rookies on a line with plugs and then the fans wonder why they aren’t putting up points. Frost is a quality playmaker who can also finish. Having him play with highly talented, smart linemates makes perfect sense.
- BiggE

Plus, aren't these the guys he played with in camp / preseason? He wasn't playing with any of the bottom 6 guys if I'm remembering correctly

Cale Makar 22 pts in 20 games

Unreal

Zamula and Wylie performing fine as well tho i dont know if shooting lights out accurate.
Yes, any team who passes up a highly skilled 40 goal scorer should be embarrassed esp if they did it bc of the undersized label.
If Flyers felt it was York and Brink for Cole, then perhaps it makes sense.
- biggbear77

He scored 40 goals in exhibition games, not even regular USHL games. I'm not saying he's bad, but it's not like he scored 40 goals in the OHL.

Cale Makar 22 pts in 20 games

Unreal
- bulet13

Figures picking second and coming away with the worst pick in the top 5. Hard to do.

Figures picking second and coming away with the worst pick in the top 5. Hard to do.
- PLindbergh31

Nopa was a consensus top 2 pick the entire year. Saying otherwise is rewriting history.

Nopa was a consensus top 2 pick the entire year. Saying otherwise is rewriting history.
- bulet13

Exactly

Every scouting/draft report and rankings had Hischier and Patrick as the top 2. Every one. The Flyers did nothing wrong whatsoever

I was expecting him to be playingin his 2nd year of college hockey with much better competition on a daily basis. Not some inferior league. .
- daryl stanley

Valid point although I do believe he made the right choice considering what a disaster last year was. He is getting his minutes, having success and apparently gaining lost confidence. If he does well at BU, last season will be seen as a bump in the road. I still think he is a very good prospect.

I think putting Frost with G and TK is brilliant. Too often NHL teams start highly skilled rookies on a line with plugs and then the fans wonder why they aren’t putting up points. Frost is a quality playmaker who can also finish. Having him play with highly talented, smart linemates makes perfect sense.
- BiggE

I agree it's good spot in the lineup for him but overall Frost is in a tough spot. By reports Frost was struggling with consistency in the AHL. Having to come up and play center on a team that is struggling to score is not an easy spot. I just hope they aren't rushing the player. We'll find out. Laughton is apparently ready to return soon. This might be just getting a look to see what they want to do when Laughton is ready.

I agree it's good spot in the lineup for him but overall Frost is in a tough spot. By reports Frost was struggling with consistency in the AHL. Having to come up and play center on a team that is struggling to score is not an easy spot. I just hope they aren't rushing the player. We'll find out. Laughton is apparently ready to return soon. This might be just getting a look to see what they want to do when Laughton is ready.
- MJL

I think that is exactly correct

I love that V has jvr-Hayes-Voracek together. Basically telling them look you guys all deserve each other
- Just5

Im trying to remember the “Legion of Dumb” line from a couple years back. Was it schenn, lecavalier, and Simmonds?

A number 2 overall pick not available for an entire season (Patrick) and a number 14
overall pick out for at least his 2nd season (Morin). This is a tragedy that the Flyers will have to find a way to recover from. The Patrick issue is why they had to spend "stupid" money on a guy like Hayes, the Morin issue caused Braun and Niskanen to be needed. "The best laid plans of mice and men oft go astray."
- DANCER

Hilarious

2 minute minor, misuse of word "tragedy." Seriously folks, A) it's hockey, B) no one died.
- bodiva88

I took a bit of literary license with the word tragedy...probably more of a difficult situation. I would think that Sam and Nolan might think tragedy though. You are correct, we take these things way too seriously at times

Exactly

Every scouting/draft report and rankings had Hischier and Patrick as the top 2. Every one. The Flyers did nothing wrong whatsoever
- BiggE

There were likely a few teams who would have jumped on MH at #2 (or even #1). IIRC, Avs were worried that one of the top-3 teams would take Makar.

But yeah... Flyers did what most teams would have done.

Nopa was a consensus top 2 pick the entire year. Saying otherwise is rewriting history.
- bulet13

maybe they should have looked at his medical history more closely

There were likely a few teams who would have jumped on MH at #2 (or even #1). IIRC, Avs were worried that one of the top-3 teams would take Makar.

But yeah... Flyers did what most teams would have done.
- Tomahawk

Still would of chosen Patrick at #2, but my only concern is what else did the Flyers uncover while scouting him, chronic migraines do NOT pop up out of the blue overnight. Not to mention his known injury that caused a slow start to his career.

On the other side of the coin, how many teams have gone off board and regretted it. Boston comes to mind in 2015. 3, again I repeat THREE 1st round picks in a row and they passed on Barzal, Connor, Chabot, Samsonov, Boeser and others. Sure Debrusk is having a decent young career so far, but 27 goals isn't that big of a deal when you look at what they could of had and none of those players were "woah what a surprise" picks.

Still would of chosen Patrick at #2, but my only concern is what else did the Flyers uncover while scouting him, chronic migraines do NOT pop up out of the blue overnight. Not to mention his known injury that caused a slow start to his career.

On the other side of the coin, how many teams have gone off board and regretted it. Boston comes to mind in 2015. 3, again I repeat THREE 1st round picks in a row and they passed on Barzal, Connor, Chabot, Samsonov, Boeser and others. Sure Debrusk is having a decent young career so far, but 27 goals isn't that big of a deal when you look at what they could of had and none of those players were "woah what a surprise" picks.
- Glak18

First of all this is complete speculation on my part with zero evidence to support it but it may be possible that Patrick has had this migraine issue for longer than he has let on and it has contributed to his slow development as a player.

First of all this is complete speculation on my part with zero evidence to support it but it may be possible that Patrick has had this migraine issue for longer than he has let on and it has contributed to his slow development as a player.
- MJL

Very possible, but I'm no doctor. My only experience comes from a few very close people to me who have to deal with chronic migraines on a daily basis and it is not easy to deal with...especially not when you are a professional athlete. It really is a life altering issue and no clear or easy solution to it.

yall remember when jvr faked injury to avoid getting traded?

maybe they should have looked at his medical history more closely
- 2Real

Since we all know the Flyers staff is substantially less skilled, experienced and qualified then you are I am sure you would have known that NoPa would have a migraine scenario 2 years down the line.

Since we all know the Flyers staff is substantially less skilled, experienced and qualified then you are I am sure you would have known that NoPa would have a migraine scenario 2 years down the line.
- opeth_pa

something something diabetes

something something diabetes
- 2Real

Ha..Well played!


Any good food places near the Santa Monica Pier that you know about? Im planning my next two trips to Blizz Campus.

9 goals in 12 games

Almost everyone here wanted Caufield, btw so idk why you're telling this to us. We're also smart enough to not judge a draft based on 12 college games...
- bulet13

actually the post wasnt motivated by caufield regret. just read broad street hockey prospect review and realized that top 6 skilled offensive hopefuls in system now light. i had hoped for more progress from some of the college kids as well as ratcliff/rubtsov in ahl. as of this moment in system i cant see another highly probable top 6 forward now that frost and farabee with flyers. well maybe brink has the skill set. i hope that some of the kids prove me wrong. perhaps i am just being too pessimistic.
after all that i looked into cole stats just to see. he will be in nhl by winter imho.

First of all this is complete speculation on my part with zero evidence to support it but it may be possible that Patrick has had this migraine issue for longer than he has let on and it has contributed to his slow development as a player.
- MJL

This thought has crossed my mind as well. The affect of having migraines is like “lost time.” Whatever shoulda, coulda, or would of happened instead just doesn’t.

I’ll say this though...all that skill is still there. Patrick has a really high hockey IQ. They find a treatment that works, and he will be back at it.