Say Boesner and Virtanen for Dahlin, Sheary
- Buff36

I don't see that making this team better. And I like Boeser.

Yeah, he brought em in or extended them. There's not a single one of his UFAs I would keep
- jcragcrumple

But 3 weeks ago we had the best 4th line in hockey.

Or so most on here said.

But 3 weeks ago we had the best 4th line in hockey.

Or so most on here said.
- Powerslave

I'm pretty sure the advanced numbers still say that. Their x/GF is stratospheric. Unfortunately none of them have any hands.

13 minutes a night for 3 combined goals. And they dont have the 13% o zone starts to blame this year. They're over 30% which is an enormous waste of time to trot that trio out for an offensive start. And the twins have been out there as extra attackers. At least they're good at the PK. Oh wait, the PK is mediocre too. At least they fight. Wait, no, they dont do that either.

Did I hear Joker is sitting tonight?

Re - caught the end of an instigators segment.

I'm pretty sure the advanced numbers still say that. Their x/GF is stratospheric. Unfortunately none of them have any hands.

13 minutes a night for 3 combined goals. And they dont have the 13% o zone starts to blame this year. They're over 30% which is an enormous waste of time to trot that trio out for an offensive start. And the twins have been out there as extra attackers. At least they're good at the PK. Oh wait, the PK is mediocre too. At least they fight. Wait, no, they dont do that either.
- jcragcrumple

Good. They'd be 0-7-0 in their last seven if they did.

I blame mercury in retrograde.

I heard there was a closed door meeting with Terry and Jason the other day


and yelling could be heard in the hallway
- homiedclown

Now I would’ve loved to hear that argument...... pegula isn’t wrong though. Botts needs to improve this team. It can’t sink again

I would almost 97.5% not trade Dahlin, but could he get you a couple Hi end forwards that could help you, are defense could survive without him. There is nobody on this team that could probably pull in a trade what he could. But maybe not either he really hasn't looked that good.
- Buff36

Relax, he's 19 years old. Hedman looked like a (frank)ing train wreck year 2. Think if Tampa jumped ship. I understand you said 97.5% but even that is just crazy unless you're getting severe overpayment (McJesus level package, which no team would do)

No

Botts is 17 games into a new coach, that he chose

He changed joker, montour, miller, vesey and Johansson.

How is that watching a floater?

I appreciate botts patience.
- Boss34

He has definitely overhauled the team but the remaining players left over are the problem

Risto
McCabe
Girgs
Larry
E rod
Bogo
Scandella (before this year)

It’s the same players and same results.

I'm pretty sure the advanced numbers still say that. Their x/GF is stratospheric. Unfortunately none of them have any hands.

13 minutes a night for 3 combined goals. And they dont have the 13% o zone starts to blame this year. They're over 30% which is an enormous waste of time to trot that trio out for an offensive start. And the twins have been out there as extra attackers. At least they're good at the PK. Oh wait, the PK is mediocre too. At least they fight. Wait, no, they dont do that either.
- jcragcrumple

And how do they compare w all the other 4th lines in hockey?

I think we should give them all Brawndo.

It's got electrolytes.

Relax, he's 19 years old. Hedman looked like a (frank)ing train wreck year 2. Think if Tampa jumped ship. I understand you said 97.5% but even that is just crazy unless you're getting severe overpayment (McJesus level package, which no team would do)
- SDSabre

I know he's young, and don't want to trade him, but sometimes you gotta rattle the cage.

I know he's young, and don't want to trade him, but sometimes you gotta rattle the cage.
- Buff36

That's not rattling the cage. That's tipping it over and ending up with a Planet of the Apes scenario.

That's not rattling the cage. That's tipping it over and ending up with a Planet of the Apes scenario.
- buffalofan19

Every now and again, you should drop a nuke.

Just to prove to everyone else why you don't mess with us.

Say Boesner and Virtanen for Dahlin, Sheary
- Buff36

This might be the worst trade proposal I've ever seen in my life

But 3 weeks ago we had the best 4th line in hockey.

Or so most on here said.
- Powerslave

3 weeks ago the whole team was kinda good

Every now and again, you should drop a nuke.

Just to prove to everyone else why you don't mess with us.
- gcomella34

If Dahlin ends up where 99.9% of the "experts" think he will, you don't trade that away.

And if you do, there's no way you're receiving equal value in return. Ever.

He has drafted better, I think than Murray. Obviously we won't know for a few more years. The eye test says he has thus far.

Big knock is bringing back and bringing in turd players like Vesey, Lazar, Girgs, Lockport Larry, and having a steadfast policy of not dumping bad contracts. Ex: Okposo. That's one and probably the worst. The others I believe we're out of after this season?

Also not enough trades/manuevers to bring in top end talent.

Obviously I don't know what teams want for a Taylor Hall type player. I know it may be alot, but it's time to take another risk and trade futures for a Top 6 guy.
- mattsox

If Botts makes the bold move and moves Risto or even Montour at this point for a 2C/2RW we would stop caring about the 4th line that actually does then job extremely well. Would also drop another player to the third line which would help that line as well.

We lack “top end” talent. One way to achieve that is drafting high. Botts’ success rests on Mittelstadt and Cozens shoulders.

This might be the worst trade proposal I've ever seen in my life
- gerbe75pts

I know, I mean trading Sheary???

We can't do that. Set us back too much.

Every now and again, you should drop a nuke.

Just to prove to everyone else why you don't mess with us.
- gcomella34

big stick diplomacy

If Dahlin ends up where 99.9% of the "experts" think he will, you don't trade that away.

And if you do, there's no way you're receiving equal value in return. Ever.
- Powerslave

Yeah....but like culture....and message sending.

Vitally important.

And how do they compare w all the other 4th lines in hockey?
- Powerslave

You’re willing to be 3 players with lack of NHL experience will play the heavy d-zone minutes that the GLO line play ?

The problem isn’t the 4th line that does it’s job, it’s due to the lack of top end talent in our top 6. We have a winger playing Center right now and in an ideal world he’s a 3rd line LW on a contending team.

You’re willing to be 3 players with lack of NHL experience will play the heavy d-zone minutes that the GLO line play ?

The problem isn’t the 4th line that does it’s job, it’s due to the lack of top end talent in our top 6. We have a winger playing Center right now and in an ideal world he’s a 3rd line LW on a contending team.
- Swedish_Jesus

Agreed.

It's reaching when people complain about the 4th line just to bash the GM.

Now if they want to talk about a lack of a line 2 C or RW, then so be it.

I know, I mean trading Sheary???

We can't do that. Set us back too much.
- gcomella34

I was talking about trading Swedish Jesus for vanek

Risto yes

And how do they compare w all the other 4th lines in hockey?
- Powerslave

"4th Line"

Larry - 1g 1a -2, 14 minutes a night - No points in last 8 games

Girgensons - 1g 3a -4, 13 minutes a night - No points in last 8 games

Okposo - 1g 4a even, 11 minutes a night - No points in last 6 games

I think all of these points came in like 2 games. Die by the Blade is so incredibly impressed with them too.