+/- is a garbage stat but Braun really offers next to nothing, especially in the O zone. Still dont understand the trade especially since we have our own Braun in Hahg
- bulet13

I don’t view it as a garbage stat at all. Braun is on the ice for a hell of a lot of goals against. Does it mean it’s always his fault? Of course not, but is Braun playing against the oppositions too line? I don’t think so... Seems to me he’s not doing much of anything. The team is playing very well so it’s not a big issue at the moment.

Braun -12 on a team that has a +4 goal differential. Pretty hard to do. What's he on his way to -50?
- PLindbergh31

I was against the trade, and still not really on board with it, but Braun hasn't played as badly as his -12 suggests.

Myers has already leapfrogged him ice-time anyway. Braun is essentially the team's #6 now. And he makes for a pretty decent #6.

I don’t view it as a garbage stat at all. Braun is on the ice for a hell of a lot of goals against. Does it mean it’s always his fault? Of course not, but is Braun playing against the oppositions too line? I don’t think so... Seems to me he’s not doing much of anything. The team is playing very well so it’s not a big issue at the moment.
- PLindbergh31

He's doing a strong job of suppressing shots/chances. He's creating next to nothing on the other end, but we kinda expected that. A lot of those retrievals he makes where he gets destroyed by forecheckers is actually pretty important too.

I don’t view it as a garbage stat at all. Braun is on the ice for a hell of a lot of goals against. Does it mean it’s always his fault? Of course not, but is Braun playing against the oppositions too line? I don’t think so... Seems to me he’s not doing much of anything. The team is playing very well so it’s not a big issue at the moment.
- PLindbergh31

It is a garbage stat. If a forward gives the puck away in the slot and the opponent scores off the shot, everyone gets a minus, If the goalie lets in a weak goal, everyone gets a minus. If you are on the ice when you pull the goalie to try and tie the game, everyone on the ice gets a minus. If you play a guy in defensive situations, he is more likely to be on the ice for a goal against. None of this has anything to do with a specific players play on the ice.

I was against the trade, and still not really on board with it, but Braun hasn't played as badly as his -12 suggests.

Myers has already leapfrogged him ice-time anyway. Braun is essentially the team's #6 now.
- Tomahawk

Really if the Sanheim/Myers pairing continues to emerge and play well, that can allow the Flyers to properly slot Braun as a 3rd pair PK'er. The only thing I don't like about that is that Gostisbehere is trending forward and playing on that pairing will limit his ice time.

The problem is that Braun is on the last year of his deal and they added future cap liabilities to trade for him.

It is a garbage stat. If a forward gives the puck away in the slot and the opponent scores off the shot, everyone gets a minus, If the goalie lets in a weak goal, everyone gets a minus. If you are on the ice when you pull the goalie to try and tie the game, everyone on the ice gets a minus. If you play a guy in defensive situations, he is more likely to be on the ice for a goal against. None of this has anything to do with a specific players play on the ice.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

The problem as you describe it is what the problem is. The stat is not the problem if you simply use it to tell you what it tells you. How people use it is the problem. The issue there is no different than any countless other stats that are used.

Really if the Sanheim/Myers pairing continues to emerge and play well, that can allow the Flyers to properly slot Braun as a 3rd pair PK'er. The only thing I don't like about that is that Gostisbehere is trending forward and playing on that pairing will limit his ice time.
- MJL

Ice time and trust seem pretty fluid w/ AV. If a line/pair is playing well, AV takes notice right away and plays the hell out of them. I think once Sanheim/Myers fall back to earth a bit, Ghost will see his icetime go (way) up.

I wonder if some of that is him just taking time to adjust to AHL. Was this an issue for him in the OHL?.... I didn’t watch any games of him in Juniors
- Sublime55

He did the same thing but the talent gap he had was significantly more, has a lot of patience to his game and turns it on/off. I'd just like to see him dominate shifts, he has the talent.

Ice time and trust seem pretty fluid w/ AV. If a line/pair is playing well, AV takes notice right away and plays the hell out of them. I think once Sanheim/Myers fall back to earth a bit, Ghost will see his icetime go (way) up.
- Tomahawk

What a good coach should do, go with who's playing well. fourth line had a little jump last night and saw some more ice it seemed like, coming off the b2b.

What a good coach should do, go with who's playing well. fourth line had a little jump last night and saw some more ice it seemed like, coming off the b2b.
- ClaudeFather

Those minutes coming at the expense of Giroux's line, too. AV doesn't give a F.

Those minutes coming at the expense of Giroux's line, too. AV doesn't give a F.
- Tomahawk

Pretty much the same with every coach.

Those minutes coming at the expense of Giroux's line, too. AV doesn't give a F.
- Tomahawk

He is putting his stamp on this team and I think they are responding well. Winning obviously helps but they are staying the course, not much panic. Years past this team folds and loses that game in Boston.

Pretty much the same with every coach.
- MJL

Yes, but maybe not to the same degree.

AV seems to notice upticks quicker and responds with even more TOI than normal. Not just individual double shifts or whatever, but the entire lines/pairs get rewarded big time.

He also doesn't seem married to any pre-assigned roles and his trust isn't 'sticky'.

Like Sanheim was a stumbling mess not too long ago. Myers wasn't deemed good enough to make the team. But there they are, in late-game defensive zone draws, playing 18-19 mins at ES, against Conference opponents on the road, etc.

Coots line has carried the team all year, but on off nights, they can end up as 2nd or 3rd place in ES TOI depending.

Same with the PP units. Whichever is scoring goals, will get more time.

Yes, but maybe not to the same degree.

AV seems to notice upticks quicker and responds with even more TOI than normal. Not just individual double shifts or whatever, but the entire lines/pairs get rewarded big time.

He also doesn't seem married to any pre-assigned roles and his trust isn't 'sticky'.

Like Sanheim was a stumbling mess not too long ago. Myers wasn't deemed good enough to make the team. But there they are, in late-game defensive zone draws, playing 18-19 mins at ES, against Conference opponents on the road, etc.

Coots line has carried the team all year, but on off nights, they can end up as 2nd or 3rd place in ES TOI depending.

Same with the PP units. Whichever is scoring goals, will get more time.
- Tomahawk

Not only does that send a good message to the guys that are being rewarded but it also preaches accountability. If you are playing well, you are going to play more, I think all players can appreciate that, players buy into that.

Yes, but maybe not to the same degree.

AV seems to notice upticks quicker and responds with even more TOI than normal. Not just individual double shifts or whatever, but the entire lines/pairs get rewarded big time.

He also doesn't seem married to any pre-assigned roles and his trust isn't 'sticky'.

Like Sanheim was a stumbling mess not too long ago. Myers wasn't deemed good enough to make the team. But there they are, in late-game defensive zone draws, playing 18-19 mins at ES, against Conference opponents on the road, etc.

Coots line has carried the team all year, but on off nights, they can end up as 2nd or 3rd place in ES TOI depending.

Same with the PP units. Whichever is scoring goals, will get more time.
- Tomahawk

I think what you're missing is that the players really determine that. What coach wouldn't elevate Myers ice time with the way he played in recently? What coach wouldn't play a PP unit that is producing more than the other unit?
You're comparing a coach who has coached the Flyers for 17 games.

Not only does that send a good message to the guys that are being rewarded but it also preaches accountability. If you are playing well, you are going to play more, I think all players can appreciate that, players buy into that.
- ClaudeFather

Why then do you criticize the previous coach who did the same thing?

Why then do you criticize the previous coach who did the same thing?
- MJL

He did not do the same thing, he continued to roll our players like Lehtera and Hagg at the expense of other players regardless of how they were playing. I'm not saying every time he was wrong or that Sanheim/TK should have never sit but at times guys were labelled in a role and there was no changing it. AV has a fluid situation and is adjusting game by game, finding the pulse of his team and reacting to it.

He did not do the same thing, he continued to roll our players like Lehtera and Hagg at the expense of other players regardless of how they were playing. I'm not saying every time he was wrong or that Sanheim/TK should have never sit but at times guys were labelled in a role and there was no changing it. AV has a fluid situation and is adjusting game by game, finding the pulse of his team and reacting to it.
- ClaudeFather

Missing the boat again. So if a coach is going to sit a young player who is perhaps making repeated mistakes and not correcting what he is being asked to do, who does the coach play in his place? LOL. You don't want accountability, you just want a coach to do what you want him to do and ignore what is really happening. You're applying a clear double standard without recognizing that you are. When the coach played veterans such as Vandevelde more because he was bringing max effort and playing the right way over players who weren't, he was criticized for it. For not playing the more popular player among the fans. It also helps that a coach has more quality options available to him.

If you think that Sanheim and Konecny shouldn't have sat or had their ice time reduced in the past, well that's just shortsighted and plain wrong.

Another thing is that Vigneault is still new to this team. He is still feeling his way around this team. He hasn't coached them long enough to develop set patterns. t was no different than when Hakstol took over. Big difference is the roster and talent each coach had available to him.

ttt

Only guy more annoying in that organization is Jack Edwards. Center Ice only had Bos. feed and I was forced to listen to that whiner until I found a N WASH sportspak channel that had the Flyers feed.
Jack is the absolute worst to listen to ( runnerup honors go to Staggy)
- DaveofYork

Is it location based? I had both feeds available and chose the Flyers feed, of course.

I wanted to win that game solely to not listen to that dipstick celebrate, he complained about the no goal right up until the shootout, was claiming Philly getting phantom icing calls, he always has paid respect to guys like G on the feed by the homer-ism is just too much. Hate to say it but I think the Rangers guys are very fair commentators.
- ClaudeFather

Agreed. So are the NJ guys for the most part.

17 games played 10 wins 7 losses
- KINGKENZO

For being so easy, math sure does seem hard for folks.

Do you folks that use nhl center ice know how to get the games in high definition? It’s awful watching in standard when HD should be available.
Thanks in advance

Do you folks that use nhl center ice know how to get the games in high definition? It’s awful watching in standard when HD should be available.
Thanks in advance
- Marc D

Between blackouts, random no HD feeds, and random away feeds, I have no idea why anybody would still sub to that package when the alternatives are not only free but more consistent quality.

Do you folks that use nhl center ice know how to get the games in high definition? It’s awful watching in standard when HD should be available.
Thanks in advance
- Marc D

I have xfinity - but not the X1 flavor.* Regular xfinity delivered SD feeds to me last season when I bought CI through them. Puke! This season I said frank that noise so I subscribed to the streaming version directly from the NHL. Streaming is always in HD.

*I don't know if the X1 flavor delivers HD and didn't really research it.

I was against the trade, and still not really on board with it, but Braun hasn't played as badly as his -12 suggests.

Myers has already leapfrogged him ice-time anyway. Braun is essentially the team's #6 now. And he makes for a pretty decent #6.



He's doing a strong job of suppressing shots/chances. He's creating next to nothing on the other end, but we kinda expected that. A lot of those retrievals he makes where he gets destroyed by forecheckers is actually pretty important too.
- Tomahawk

All fair points. I think he's kinda redundant to Hagg. He may be marginally better than Hagg, but just not worth making the transaction to acquire him.