And goalies that aren’t starters have never gotten much in returns.

And it makes sense, they get hot for 30 games and then they are out of the league.

I highly doubt a team is paying more than that.

Who’s giving a young top 9 player for a backup? Has that ever happened?
- Santo_44

The Bruins traded Martin Jones for the 15th overall pick in the 2016 NHL Draft and Sean Kuraly.

but you have 15 of them - you should share the wealth
- 21peter

I just can’t see a team doing that.

A lottery pick and a Tamishov plus maybe a guy with some potential from the minors.

That’s the type of return you get from anyone.

Leafs have neutered their offense, probably on purpose by Babs.
my guess is to "Play the right way"???

https://twitter.com/Chart...tatus/1193895007863943170

At some point, TOR is going to have to do something differently. Their xG differential is second last in the Atlantic, a clear negative, and an on-going issue. That's philosophy more than personnel, especially given TOR's roster.

They had 3 consecutive seasons of being one the top teams in xg and creating offense,

so a big shift this season. Lets see if it pays off

The Bruins traded Martin Jones for the 15th overall pick in the 2016 NHL Draft and Sean Kuraly.
- RickJames77

Take yourself back.

What was the hype around Jones?

Habs traded Halak for 2 prospects, Lars Eller and Ian Schultz

Have to think that Hutch has played his last game as a Leaf...something has to change

Habs traded Halak for 2 prospects, Lars Eller and Ian Schultz
- Symba007

Again.

Different goalies.

Bernier, Retto Berra.

This is the type of goalie we are talking.

We aren’t viewing Georgiev as a sure fire starter. And if we are NYR should hold onto him.

Take yourself back.

What was the hype around Jones?
- Santo_44

Considering he had made a total of 34 appearances in front of a staunch L.A. Kings defense, I'd hope not that much if I were the team trying to acquire him.

Considering he had made a total of 34 appearances in front of a staunch L.A. Kings defense, I'd hope not that much if I were the team trying to acquire him.
- RickJames77

I remember everyone touting him as the next big starter.

I don’t see a soul saying that about Georgiev.

I remember everyone touting him as the next big starter.

I don’t see a soul saying that about Georgiev.
- Santo_44

He had a .906 sv pct in his last year with L.A.

He was undrafted, played a total of 34 games, and wasn't overly remarkable in the AHL. You asked for an example, I think this is a pretty good one.

You think the Kings are trading a 1st, a sure fire starting goalie, and Colin Miller for Lucic?

He had a .906 sv pct in his last year with L.A.

He was undrafted, played a total of 34 games, and wasn't overly remarkable in the AHL. You asked for an example, I think this is a pretty good one.

You think the Kings are trading a 1st, a sure fire starting goalie, and Colin Miller for Lucic?
- RickJames77

Oilers are like...hold my beer!

He had a .906 sv pct in his last year with L.A.

He was undrafted, played a total of 34 games, and wasn't overly remarkable in the AHL. You asked for an example, I think this is a pretty good one.

You think the Kings are trading a 1st, a sure fire starting goalie, and Colin Miller for Lucic?
- RickJames77

Did I say it was a good trade?

Did I say it was a good trade?
- Santo_44

No, you didn't, but you said he was thought of as the next big starter. Obviously the team with the most knowledge about him threw him in as a small piece of a trade.

You asked for an example of a backup getting a large return and I just showed you one with only 34 appearances, but he's different because you remember him being touted as the next best thing since sliced bread after a .906% in front of LA?

i'll just agree to disagree with you.

Habs traded Halak for 2 prospects, Lars Eller and Ian Schultz
- Symba007

like 9 years ago

The Leafs traded Jacques Plante to Boston for a 1st round pick, thats the market imo

No, you didn't, but you said he was thought of as the next big starter. Obviously the team with the most knowledge about him threw him in as a small piece of a trade.

You asked for an example of a backup getting a large return and I just showed you one with only 34 appearances, but he's different because you remember him being touted as the next best thing since sliced bread after a .906% in front of LA?

i'll just agree to disagree with you.
- RickJames77

I mean obviously LA didn’t want to trade him to SJ so they added him in a piece to get a player they really wanted.

Which at the time Lucic was highly sought after. So they thought it was worth it.

It’s obvious he was a highly touted goalie.

I mean obviously LA didn’t want to trade him to SJ so they added him in a piece to get a player they really wanted.

Which at the time Lucic was highly sought after. So they thought it was worth it.

It’s obvious he was a highly touted goalie.
- Santo_44

A highly touted undrafted goalie with 34 games of NHL experience? For a 15th overall pick? Yeah, I don't see it, but if you do that's fine.

Leafs have neutered their offense, probably on purpose by Babs.
my guess is to "Play the right way"???

https://twitter.com/Chart...tatus/1193895007863943170


They had 3 consecutive seasons of being one the top teams in xg and creating offense,

so a big shift this season. Lets see if it pays off
- senstroll

They can't play defense, and don't have defensive defensemen . . .so they have decided to stop generating offense as well?

Perhaps they are hoping to be so negative that it wraps around to a super-positive?

The Melnyk Theorem has never been field quantified!

I remember everyone touting him as the next big starter.

I don’t see a soul saying that about Georgiev.
- Santo_44

Teams have learned the Kings weren't the goalie factory...it's the Caps.

Teams have learned the Kings weren't the goalie factory...it's the Caps.
- AdamFrench

Holtby to the Leafs (e2)

They can't play defense, and don't have defensive defensemen . . .so they have decided to stop generating offense as well?

Perhaps they are hoping to be so negative that it wraps around to a super-positive?

The Melnyk Theorem has never been field quantified!
- Monkeypunk

The Coaches are trying to do something.. thats for sure

Holt8y to the Leafs (e2)
- Scabeh

The Coaches are trying to do something.. thats for sure
- senstroll

Didn’t they do something like that when we had Komarov?

They looked like this for the first 20-25 games.

It’s almost like Babs tried to get this team to play right right off the bat. Then let’s them run looser after they succeed playing right.

Holtby to the Leafs (e2)
- Scabeh

Varlamov
Neuvirth
Holtby
Grubauer
Samsonov

That's three legit starters, a quality backup and a top prospect with starting potential. Pretty nuts.

Didn’t they do something like that when we had Komarov?

They looked like this for the first 20-25 games.

It’s almost like Babs tried to get this team to play right right off the bat. Then let’s them run looser after they succeed playing right.
- Santo_44

no idea, but that sounds like a terrible approach.

no idea, but that sounds like a terrible approach.
- senstroll

On the bright side AM and Willy look like they can play however they please