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Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Nov 7 @ 8:20 AM ET
Yet, you still have to bring up JJ on your own...weren't/aren't you one of the ones calling RW obsessed regarding JJ?
- MattStrat

Cousinskrid
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: the BURGH, PA
Joined: 03.08.2018

Nov 7 @ 9:13 AM ET
Yet, you still have to bring up JJ on your own...weren't/aren't you one of the ones calling RW obsessed regarding JJ?
- MattStrat


Indeed I was... am... still am... mostly sarcasm... but I also proposed a solution with Rusty, and RW tends to get hung up on the past, that nothing can be done about.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Nov 7 @ 9:19 AM ET
NHL coaches with biggest winning % (with at least 800+ games):

Quenneville .549
Babcock .549
Julien .548
DeBoer .548
Laviolette .524
T.McLellan .493
Vigneault .489
Trotz .488
Boudreau .478
Tortorella .473
P.Maurice .450
Tippett .446
Cousinskrid
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: the BURGH, PA
Joined: 03.08.2018

Nov 7 @ 9:22 AM ET
NHL coaches with biggest winning % (with at least 800+ games):

Quenneville .549
Babcock .549
Julien .548
DeBoer .548
Laviolette .524
T.McLellan .493
Vigneault .489
Trotz .488
Boudreau .478
Tortorella .473
P.Maurice .450
Tippett .446

- Barnaby36


Interesting that McLellan, DeBoer and Vigneault are ahead of Trotz...
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Nov 7 @ 9:33 AM ET
NHL coaches with biggest winning % (with at least 800+ games):

Quenneville .549
Babcock .549
Julien .548
DeBoer .548
Laviolette .524
T.McLellan .493
Vigneault .489
Trotz .488
Boudreau .478
Tortorella .473
P.Maurice .450
Tippett .446

- Barnaby36

Trotz record is 810-595-60-141. Your numbers are off.

Most of his losing seasons were his first 5 in Nashville. Since 2003-2004, he's 665-396-11-128
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Nov 7 @ 9:34 AM ET
Interesting that McLellan, DeBoer and Vigneault are ahead of Trotz...
- Cousinskrid

Deboer I can see but Mclellan surprised me
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Nov 7 @ 9:36 AM ET
I'd like to at least try him after 21 straight tries on the PP without scoring. Nothing wrong about that.
- Barnaby36


No no no. I’m asking.. where would you like to play him? How would you like to construct this PP with Galchy on it? Positions during the PP matter.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Nov 7 @ 9:36 AM ET
Jake doesn't really fit as a net front PP guy, talented as he is. They could also use a right handed shooter that fits their style of play.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Nov 7 @ 9:39 AM ET
He hasn’t earned a spot on top pp, but if Letang is out tomorrow and no Hornqvist do you try him?
- stackthepads


My only question, is where? Do you want him on the left wing half wall? High bumper slot? Down low? They’d have to reimagine the PP which isn’t a bad thing or that difficult, but I’m just asking what would an optimal position for him?
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Nov 7 @ 9:39 AM ET
I feel it coming, a blog about how the Islanders are lucky and their wins shouldn’t count because they dump and chase too much.
Le_Magnifique
Joined: 05.15.2016

Nov 7 @ 9:43 AM ET
The only scenario I think that fits with Galchenyuk is if you’re willing to let him or Malkin take the top of the umbrella, the other on the right side, Letang/Shultz on the left, and Sid/Jake down low. Side note whoever thinks Jake isn’t good in front of the net should delete their account. I don’t support this setup because I think we’ll allow more shorties than we did last year with it.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Nov 7 @ 9:50 AM ET
Yet, you still have to bring up JJ on your own...weren't/aren't you one of the ones calling RW obsessed regarding JJ?
- MattStrat


Rust doesn’t have the hands to play on the PP. He’d fumble too many passes.
Le_Magnifique
Joined: 05.15.2016

Nov 7 @ 9:51 AM ET
Another thought though is that Phil’s power play utility never came via the one-timer, which I was always super critical of. I don’t see any reason you can’t try Galchenyuk on the left side of the umbrella. Phil would always run little curl routes where he’d accept the pass at the top of his route, take 2 strides, and let a wrister go. Don’t see any reason Galchenyuk can’t use a similar philosophy to allot that time and space for transferring the puck for a left-handed release. Might even be better because you’re accepting the pass on your forehand.
burgh4life87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.22.2014

Nov 7 @ 9:55 AM ET
Rust doesn’t have the hands to play on the PP. He’d fumble too many passes.
- j.boyd919


Nope, but Bjugstad has a ridiculously strong wrist shot and I'm shocked he hasn't gotten a look despite being a right shot. His size floating around the old phil spot and to the top of the O zone would be decent in theory right? Maybe he isn't instinctual enough to handle it, but it seems like he has the tools to be a legit option.
BOSS_TWEED
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: S. Jersey
Joined: 11.07.2006

Nov 7 @ 10:03 AM ET
NHL coaches with biggest winning % (with at least 800+ games):

Quenneville .549
Babcock .549
Julien .548
DeBoer .548
Laviolette .524
T.McLellan .493
Vigneault .489
Trotz .488
Boudreau .478
Tortorella .473
P.Maurice .450
Tippett .446

- Barnaby36


FYI: It appears you grabbed playoff winning % (I assume from HockeyReference.com). On that site, there is no winning % for regular season, rather only point %. Winning % makes more sense for the playoffs as there are only wins and losses and no concept of points/shootout wins/etc.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Nov 7 @ 10:05 AM ET
Another thought though is that Phil’s power play utility never came via the one-timer, which I was always super critical of. I don’t see any reason you can’t try Galchenyuk on the left side of the umbrella. Phil would always run little curl routes where he’d accept the pass at the top of his route, take 2 strides, and let a wrister go. Don’t see any reason Galchenyuk can’t use a similar philosophy to allot that time and space for transferring the puck for a left-handed release. Might even be better because you’re accepting the pass on your forehand.
- Le_Magnifique


Phil would accept the pass on his forehand before curling. Galch would have to accept it cross body, which is a little tougher. The thing with having the lefty vs. righty curly is that as a lefty, the angle at which he’s shooting isn’t as good and his passing lanes are smaller as he doesn’t have the option to go back up high or even to the high slot because the pass would have to come across his body and behind him. A righty’s passing cone (Ala Madden) would be much bigger with a righty vs. a lefty.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Nov 7 @ 10:09 AM ET
Nope, but Bjugstad has a ridiculously strong wrist shot and I'm shocked he hasn't gotten a look despite being a right shot. His size floating around the old phil spot and to the top of the O zone would be decent in theory right? Maybe he isn't instinctual enough to handle it, but it seems like he has the tools to be a legit option.
- burgh4life87


That’s actually interesting. I wonder why they haven’t given him a shot or at least practiced with him there. Personally I think Letang should be in that spot and Schultz should be up top.
Thorny87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 10.17.2014

Nov 7 @ 10:09 AM ET
I think Recchi should get some criticism for the PP. If indeed he runs it.

There is no real strategy that I see. And if there is there is no alternate plan once teams take the 1st option away.

The Caps have had the same options on the PP forever and they still pot goals. Helps to have the best one timer option in the game but when that isn't an option they have a plan to capitalize on the mismatch down low.

Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Nov 7 @ 10:11 AM ET
Trotz record is 810-595-60-141. Your numbers are off.

Most of his losing seasons were his first 5 in Nashville. Since 2003-2004, he's 665-396-11-128

- Tojo.

I used the website someone posted on last blog, that's it lol It was just to have a glance at the winning record %
burgh4life87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.22.2014

Nov 7 @ 10:13 AM ET
That’s actually interesting. I wonder why they haven’t given him a shot or at least practiced with him there. Personally I think Letang should be in that spot and Schultz should be up top.
- j.boyd919


Is kris definitely out tonight though?
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Nov 7 @ 10:13 AM ET
No no no. I’m asking.. where would you like to play him? How would you like to construct this PP with Galchy on it? Positions during the PP matter.
- j.boyd919

Think. Shuffle. If it's not working for 21 straight PPs, insert him somewhere and move people around. It won't be the first time it happens. Where would you put him on the 1st PP for a try? Right circle?
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Nov 7 @ 10:19 AM ET
Another thought though is that Phil’s power play utility never came via the one-timer, which I was always super critical of. I don’t see any reason you can’t try Galchenyuk on the left side of the umbrella. Phil would always run little curl routes where he’d accept the pass at the top of his route, take 2 strides, and let a wrister go. Don’t see any reason Galchenyuk can’t use a similar philosophy to allot that time and space for transferring the puck for a left-handed release. Might even be better because you’re accepting the pass on your forehand.
- Le_Magnifique

Some people get defensive about this idea. Crazy since Galch has a great shot and could help the struggling PP. Again: this would be a try out only, to see if it works.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Nov 7 @ 10:22 AM ET
Interesting that McLellan, DeBoer and Vigneault are ahead of Trotz...
- Cousinskrid

Trotz took over an expansion team...
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Nov 7 @ 10:22 AM ET
Trotz took over an expansion team...
- Feds91Stammer

That
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Nov 7 @ 10:23 AM ET
Think. Shuffle. If it's not working for 21 straight PPs, insert him somewhere and move people around. It won't be the first time it happens. Where would you put him on the 1st PP for a try? Right circle?
- Barnaby36

Right circle...

Geno>>>>>>Galchy
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