Seeing as the NHL has NHL ice it is not relevant.
- aminnes

Didn't say that it was relevant to the NHL. Just wanted to correct you about him being a good player. He is on big ice.

Both Nashville's and Dallas' sweaters for the Winter Classic are ugly.
- GreatGigInTheSky

I wouldn't say "ugy" as much as "boring.



There's nothing to this. It's like shirt I would buy at the Gap.

Wow, my mind is changed.
- Santo_44

Nothing will ever change your mind. You dug a deep deep love affair hole. It would be embarrassing for you too crawl out of it now.

Have you also redefined what 'dominant' means to fit the narrative?

Oh ok. Wasn't he traded from Pittsburgh because Malkin reportedly said 'it's him or me'

I would choose Malkin too..
- PatC80

Yup.

I wouldn't say "ugy" as much as "boring.



There's nothing to this. It's like shirt I would buy at the Gap.
- Atomic Wedgie

Ugly/awful/boring

Take your pick. It's all of the above to me.

“Get our of here with your facts, I’m always right”
- Santo_44

What facts. He has underachieved major since he got paid. He could be good, but you can't change an bumhole.

Need "winners". Nylander isn't a winner.

Nylander has won. That makes him a winner.

Nah, not that kind of winning.

I honestly don't think I've agreed with a single thing he's said in regards to the Leafs and hockey.

So I'm feeling pretty confident I'm batting pretty close to 1.000
- GreatGigInTheSky

You guys are funny. You take virtue in constantly talking about how great the Leafs are, and then when they aren't you take virtue in arguing against those who have been saying it all along.

Oh ok. Wasn't he traded from Pittsburgh because Malkin reportedly said 'it's him or me'

I would choose Malkin too..
- PatC80

After the HBK line was broken up as guys moved on they had to play Malkin with Kessel. It didn't work out well and Malkin had a down year. So he said if it won't work out he was willing to move his no trade clause. Pitts chose Kessel to be moved instead - obviously, who wouldn't.

If the argument is that because Kessel won in Pitts means Nylander is a hot commodity I'm not buying the argument. I like what the Leafs got back in the trade and I would happily see a good return for Nylander, especially since he is unneccessary and they need defence.

About what players?

And what young player was traded and won a cup. That's what you said. The only guys that went on to win cups in a quite a long time were older vets.
- aminnes

Steen.

Kessel.

To name a few off the top of my head.

And why does it mat they are veterans?

After the HBK line was broken up as guys moved on they had to play Malkin with Kessel. It didn't work out well and Malkin had a down year. So he said if it won't work out he was willing to move his no trade clause. Pitts chose Kessel to be moved instead - obviously, who wouldn't.

If the argument is that because Kessel won in Pitts means Nylander is a hot commodity I'm not buying the argument. I like what the Leafs got back in the trade and I would happily see a good return for Nylander, especially since he is unneccessary and they need defence.
- aminnes

You just called Nylander a “not winner type”

That’s what he’s getting at.

Nothing will ever change your mind. You dug a deep deep love affair hole. It would be embarrassing for you too crawl out of it now.

Have you also redefined what 'dominant' means to fit the narrative?
- aminnes

Sigh

Steen.

Kessel.

To name a few off the top of my head.

And why does it mat they are veterans?
- Santo_44

Steen has been a blue for over 10 years.

Kessel again is not the standard. So because Kessel got away with not back checking (although he was better in Pitt), on a SCC that means keep Nylander? Very bizarre argument. Plus Kessel produced more than Nylander by this point so again, why always this comparison?

What facts. He has underachieved major since he got paid. He could be good, but you can't change an bumhole.
- aminnes

Both Nashville's and Dallas' sweaters for the Winter Classic are ugly.
- GreatGigInTheSky

not to be the olde man from north of the border... but


Winter Classic and neither team comes from a location where they get snow (except in movies)



odd.

I would suggest that Dallas and Nashville could play in the "Stadium Series"...

but maybe - just maybe they should reserve the "Winter Classic" moniker for places like ... where it snows maybe?

Kerry Fraser missed the high stick.

Get over it.
- Scabeh

slight correction - Kerry Fraser chose not to call the high stick that everyone even on grainy TVs saw... but Kerry didn't have the internal fortitude to call (that means balls if clarification is required).

I'm over the event.

I'm not over his repeated lying, excuses and cowardly bullpoop that followed.

the very fact that the head of officiating at the time went on HNIC to excuse it up and cover up for Fraser's f___-up was evidence enough that they knew it was a mess up. I felt for Brian Lewis for having to cover up for the hair cut.

same stupid shyte officiating crap for decades in the NHL... will never change.

This should have had a trigger warning on it, because I'm now having flashbacks to when guys would regularly tell me that Kessel doesn't win you cups - Komarov does.
- Atomic Wedgie

Now TSN talking about Matthews habits and being like Phil Kessel.

Hmmm, who said that earlier this week.

Phil Kessel was the exact same player in Pittsburgh.

Which may explain why they traded him, but what'evs.
- Atomic Wedgie

Kessel was more productive.

Can you imagine Nylander having a playoff where he should be the MVP.

Phil Kessel was the exact same player in Pittsburgh.

Which may explain why they traded him, but what'evs.
- Atomic Wedgie

I don't understand this arguement - as pertains to Hairlander.

Kessel was at times, not always, lazy in Toronto - I don't think there's a single fan who's even a little bit realistic that would argue that. But Kessel still scored, and he did so consistently - I believe he lead the team in scoring each of the years he was in Toronto. Expecting him to become Guy Carbonneau would be stupid.

I don't think Nylander should try to become something he isn't... but where I do have a problem is that he supposed to be a scorer (or at least a point getter). I don't believe its too harsh to say that he is nowhere near as effective as he needs to be offensively - and that's why I have an issue with him on the team.

Whether its because he's soft, lazy, "not the guy", disinterested, whatever... doesn't matter. I suspect its bit of all of those things.

Leafs can't afford to trade any of Marner, Matthews or Tavares, they won't find teams willing to give up assests for those contracts.

So that leaves Nylander as the "offensive player who isn't scoring much but has a reasonable contract" the guy to be moved.

not because he's lazy or soft or "not a winner" or whatever...

because he isn't delivering close to what he should be.

Now TSN talking about Matthews habits and being like Phil Kessel.

Hmmm, who said that earlier this week.

- Aetherial

I wonder if it’s the same street vendor...

I don't understand this arguement - as pertains to Hairlander.

Kessel was at times, not always, lazy in Toronto - I don't think there's a single fan who's even a little bit realistic that would argue that. But Kessel still scored, and he did so consistently - I believe he lead the team in scoring each of the years he was in Toronto. Expecting him to become Guy Carbonneau would be stupid.

I don't think Nylander should try to become something he isn't... but where I do have a problem is that he supposed to be a scorer (or at least a point getter). I don't believe its too harsh to say that he is nowhere near as effective as he needs to be offensively - and that's why I have an issue with him on the team.

Whether its because he's soft, lazy, "not the guy", disinterested, whatever... doesn't matter. I suspect its bit of all of those things.

Leafs can't afford to trade any of Marner, Matthews or Tavares, they won't find teams willing to give up assests for those contracts.

So that leaves Nylander as the "offensive player who isn't scoring much but has a reasonable contract" the guy to be moved.

not because he's lazy or soft or "not a winner" or whatever...

because he isn't delivering close to what he should be.
- BorjeFan4Ever

Here’s what’s going on with Willy.

He’s popular because he was handsome. All the girls fawned over him. He’s basically Justin Beiber. At first all the guys were like “whatever as long as he’s good idc”. But now the new player smell is wearing off, and parts of his game still haven’t developed to where it should be. Die-hard fans (mostly dudes) see that. But some guys either refuse to accept it, or they’re just gay for him or something. Idk..

So here we are, divided are the Nylanderites and the Traditionalites.

Kessel was more productive.

Can you imagine Nylander having a playoff where he should be the MVP.


- Aetherial

Kessel hadn’t even played a playoff game at 23

Now TSN talking about Matthews habits and being like Phil Kessel.

Hmmm, who said that earlier this week.

- Aetherial

She got blasted for it after she said it.

Hmmm.

probably the same folks that would've questioned sundins leadership

some people don't know how to enjoy anything

She got blasted for it after she said it.

Hmmm.
- Santo_44

did you notice who?

... and if you kept watching the discussion was very clear, that it was about habits, not about talent.

Because sock-puppet disagreed doesn't change the fact that the observation has been made.

It's true, he is Kessel all over again, sorry.