It would be awesome if we behaved more like bonobos...then instead of coming to blows, we'd be blowing to come.
- AdamFrench

You listen to too much JRE

Fine.

Why are the Leafs having such a hard time beating the Bruins and Rask? He sucks!

I blame Nylander, Kadri, the Refs and Babock.

Better?
- Scabeh

- GreatGigInTheSky

- GreatGigInTheSky

- GreatGigInTheSky

- PatC80

Flip a coin. Heads the Bruins win, tails the Leafs lose.

Flip a coin. Heads the Bruins win, tails the Leafs lose.
- GreatGigInTheSky

tough call..

Sandin and Nylander likely gets you Doughty without money retained.(maybe minor picks or throw-ins on either side) Do you do it?

Sandin and Nylander likely gets you Doughty without money retained.(maybe minor picks or throw-ins on either side) Do you do it?
- rSole

Nah

Sandin and Nylander likely gets you Doughty without money retained.(maybe minor picks or throw-ins on either side) Do you do it?
- rSole

Nope.

Sandin and Nylander likely gets you Doughty without money retained.(maybe minor picks or throw-ins on either side) Do you do it?
- rSole

Rob Blake pretty much told Doughty and Kopitar he was keeping both of them for the rebuild.

Interesting Article, about applying today's Cy voting standards to past years.
https://www.billjamesonli...ack_to_the_future_part_4/

Jays specific
Steib gets 3 cy young awards

Dave Stieb and Orel Hershiser both show as benefitting greatly from today’s standards.

This formula implies Stieb taking home the award in ’82, ’84, and ’85, replacing Vuckovich, Hernandez, and Saberhagen. Of course, those 3 likely benefitted from being key contributors on pennant-winning teams.

Stieb actually finished 4th in the voting in ’82, and tied for 7th both in ’84 and ’85. But, he finished first in WAR for AL pitchers in ’82, ’83, and ’84, and was 2nd in’85, and was also top 5 in ERA each of those years. I think he was clearly the best pitcher in the AL during that time frame, and probably the best in the Majors.

So, here’s a question – what would Hershiser’s and Stieb’s Hall of Fame case looks like if they each had 3 Cy Young Awards under their belts? I think Hershiser has the better case….his career record’s a little stronger, plus he has the consecutive inning streak thing, as well as an outstanding postseason record, which would probably give him a leg up on Steib, but 3 Cy Youngs would give both of them some serious brownie points.

Rob Blake pretty much told Doughty and Kopitar he was keeping both of them for the rebuild.
- Scabeh

Nylander AND Ceci. 2 former 1st round picks for 1. Blake would be stupid to pass that up.

Hell nah
- Santo_44

*Fixed

Interesting Article, about applying today's Cy voting standards to past years.
https://www.billjamesonli...ack_to_the_future_part_4/

Jays specific
Steib gets 3 cy young awards
- senstroll

Steib might be one of the most underappreciated star pitchers ever.

Sandin and Nylander likely gets you Doughty without money retained.(maybe minor picks or throw-ins on either side) Do you do it?
- rSole

Add Ceci on our end to make the money almost be a wash. I don't know, it is tempting. Steep steep price, but tempting. We would be a far better team with a real number 1 and number 2 D that would play 25+ minutes.

*Fixed
- GreatGigInTheSky

All we are getting for the next few months in trades are Petan for a pick/low tier prospect and if the stars align a pick for Marincin.

Interesting Article, about applying today's Cy voting standards to past years.
https://www.billjamesonli...ack_to_the_future_part_4/

Jays specific
Steib gets 3 cy young awards
- senstroll

If only they had come up with these fancy stats in the early 80's.. Steib put up some great numbers on some bad teams..
In 1990, when he was 18-6, I thought he might have a chance to win the Cy Young.. Too bad Bob Welch was like 27-5, I think.. Lousy Oakland Athletics.

All we are getting for the next few months in trades are Petan for a pick/low tier prospect and if the stars align a pick for Marincin.
- Santo_44

Yup.

Yup.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Matthews told Dubas never to trade Nylander. Maybe?

Matthews told Dubas never to trade Nylander. Maybe?
- PatC80

I miss the days GMs could trade players away without asking what their teamate thought about it.

Yup.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Depth trades and some other teams will swap struggling contracts.

Other than that it’s nothing until mid January.

And even then, it’s stilly to talk about the TDL because who knows who will be available until teams know they are out of the playoffs.

I miss the days GMs could trade players away without asking what their teamate thought about it.
- Scabeh

Every team should have a player/coach/GM like Buffalo does in Jack Eichel

Exactly

Nylander + Ceci

for

Jenner, Anderson, Savard
- mr.sir

but would Kekalainen go for it ?