I switch sikrua and highmore for kampf and kubalik. Imo
- Scott1977

You're saying Kubalik belongs in the minors? Put down the cough syrup, eh?

Either a deep forward group or else they all stink.
- rpeters01

All four of those guys are solid NHL players. They all have their flaws which is why they're better suited for the bottom six. If you're talking about them playing on the "4th line" as a checking line then in theory you're Top 9 should be pretty well set.

Let's not forget with all the Shaw bashing for his penalties that he while playing Top 6 minutes for the Habs had a career high 47 points having only played in 63 games. Sure he takes some bad penalties at times, but after seeing this be pushed around the past few years I'd gladly trade a few bad penalties from him in exchange for having someone on the team that isn't gonna take s#!t from anyone and stick up for guys.

You're saying Kubalik belongs in the minors? Put down the cough syrup, eh?
- mohel

Yeah while he hasn't been "flashy" good, he's been extremely solidly good for this team since the start of the year. This kid is only gonna get better and better with more experience

Yeah while he hasn't been "flashy" good, he's been extremely solidly good for this team since the start of the year. This kid is only gonna get better and better with more experience
- Savetheembers33

I think if he's your 14th best forward, you're one of the best teams in the league.

Hmmm. Would we have to throw in D-Cat, who we got from a pick in the original Shaw deal????...this is all getting very confusing...

- hawk35

Please don’t confuse me anymore than I already am, I’ve only been posting for a couple of weeks here and I don’t know if we keep Toews, trade Toews, change lines, do not change lines, does JC go? Does he stay, does Bowman go? You are all a confusing bunch.

(frank)ing JC and his system.
- mohel

Can't blame it solely on the system but the dump and chase just doesn't work with this team. It is a good strategy to deploy is teams are stacking 4 at the blue line but it seems that the Hawks just dump it in and there isn't anyone to go get it.

This offense is struggling and losing the possession game because more often then not it is a dump in that just leads to transition back the other way.

I don't want to see Patrick Kane being the first guy in on the forecheck trying to recover a dump in. That is not the best way to use his talents.

It appears to be the same crap going on at Halas Hall. Coaches need to adapt their systems to the personnel. A coach shouldn't force a team to play within a certain system. Maximize the talent you have. Maintain possession and keep the puck out of your own end.

The Hawks signed Dcat to a nice 6 mil contract, went out and got Nylander, have Toews who at length has talked about becoming lighter, less muscle bound and playing a more speed game which seemed to lead to a really really nice season last year....and then the front office and/or coaching staff decides to implement a dump and chase heavy style? Seems to be a disconnect somewhere. The system doesn't seem to make sense given the talent on the roster.

Is this dump and chase system supposed to protect the back-end somehow?

Can't blame it solely on the system but the dump and chase just doesn't work with this team. It is a good strategy to deploy is teams are stacking 4 at the blue line but it seems that the Hawks just dump it in and there isn't anyone to go get it.

This offense is struggling and losing the possession game because more often then not it is a dump in that just leads to transition back the other way.

I don't want to see Patrick Kane being the first guy in on the forecheck trying to recover a dump in. That is not the best way to use his talents.

It appears to be the same crap going on at Halas Hall. Coaches need to adapt their systems to the personnel. A coach shouldn't force a team to play within a certain system. Maximize the talent you have. Maintain possession and keep the puck out of your own end.

The Hawks signed Dcat to a nice 6 mil contract, went out and got Nylander, have Toews who at length has talked about becoming lighter, less muscle bound and playing a more speed game which seemed to lead to a really really nice season last year....and then the front office and/or coaching staff decides to implement a dump and chase heavy style? Seems to be a disconnect somewhere. The system doesn't seem to make sense given the talent on the roster.

Is this dump and chase system supposed to protect the back-end somehow?
- bhawks2241

I don't believe it's solely dump and chase, but when they stack the neutral zone, you're forced to play this, plenty of times I've seen a Hawk player skate in with the puck.

I don't believe it's solely dump and chase, but when they stack the neutral zone, you're forced to play this, plenty of times I've seen a Hawk player skate in with the puck.
- BetweenTheDots

I agree but the Hawks are playing the dump and chase a lot more than last year. That has been confirmed by the players I believe.

I do think how the lines were set up last night, you might see the Hawks move away from the dump and chase. IMO, the Strome and Toews line now have six guys capable of carrying the puck into the zone. Dach as his game evolves can be that type of player as well. I can honestly say, I do like how JC constructed the forwards last night.

As far as the "D", Boqvist has impressed me. Man is he active in the offensive zone. The kid has a cannon, that wrist shot was flat out nasty that beat Miller. Would love to see him stay the rest of the season in Chicago. Gustafson, played better last night, but he can go and I would not be heartbroken by any means. Seabrook is here to stay because of his contract. A top 6 of Keith, Murphy, de Haan, Seabrook, Maatta, and Boqvist looks pretty good to me.

Dach is going to be a force, just wish the Hawks would take the kids gloves off at times with him. He is a big boy, he can handle it. His all-around game is very solid and will only get better.

I do think how the lines were set up last night, you might see the Hawks move away from the dump and chase. IMO, the Strome and Toews line now have six guys capable of carrying the puck into the zone. Dach as his game evolves can be that type of player as well. I can honestly say, I do like how JC constructed the forwards last night.

As far as the "D", Boqvist has impressed me. Man is he active in the offensive zone. The kid has a cannon, that wrist shot was flat out nasty that beat Miller. Would love to see him stay the rest of the season in Chicago. Gustafson, played better last night, but he can go and I would not be heartbroken by any means. Seabrook is here to stay because of his contract. A top 6 of Keith, Murphy, de Haan, Seabrook, Maatta, and Boqvist looks pretty good to me.

Dach is going to be a force, just wish the Hawks would take the kids gloves off at times with him. He is a big boy, he can handle it. His all-around game is very solid and will only get better.
- ChicagoHope

13 minutes a game for Dach as a #3 center is about right. He is not going to take time away from Toews and Strome, if the line stay as they are.

13 minutes a game for Dach as a #3 center is about right. He is not going to take time away from Toews and Strome, if the line stay as they are.
- LAHawk

As long as he continues to get Power Play time, I will be happy. Really like his game a lot. Glad he is staying in Chicago!!

Please don’t confuse me anymore than I already am, I’ve only been posting for a couple of weeks here and I don’t know if we keep Toews, trade Toews, change lines, do not change lines, does JC go? Does he stay, does Bowman go? You are all a confusing bunch.
- Angotti

You will eventually be immune to it.

Heck even in the glory years of 2010 to 2015, when we won 3 Cups....the crowd here was dissing "Q" for his "Blender of lines", Calling out our lack of toughness, itching to send Craw outta town, and so much more. Even in good times, we (they) are quite the cynical bunch!!!

Please don’t confuse me anymore than I already am, I’ve only been posting for a couple of weeks here and I don’t know if we keep Toews, trade Toews, change lines, do not change lines, does JC go? Does he stay, does Bowman go? You are all a confusing bunch.
- Angotti

Just give it time & it will all make sense. You will learn the pessimists from the optimists, & the straight talkers from the sarcastic smartasses. There are also narratives the board follows, it is best if you stick to them. Bod 101

Just give it time & it will all make sense. You will learn the pessimists from the optimists, & the straight talkers from the sarcastic smartasses. There are also narratives the board follows, it is best if you stick to them. Bod 101
- I Am The Breadman

Is Nagy coming to teach him Bod 201?

Is Nagy coming to teach him Bod 201?
- bhawks2241

He's for the advanced class, so yes, in time.

He's for the advanced class, so yes, in time.
- I Am The Breadman

Just remember to "BE YOU" on this board.

He's for the advanced class, so yes, in time.
- I Am The Breadman

Just remember to "BE YOU" on this board.

I agree but the Hawks are playing the dump and chase a lot more than last year. That has been confirmed by the players I believe.
- bhawks2241

If they are playing dump and chase when they can't carry it in, then it is exactly what they should be doing. We all complained then they were trying to carry it in all last year and got turned around and said "they need to dump it in". They finally do that, and it's a bad thing????

Can't blame it solely on the system but the dump and chase just doesn't work with this team. It is a good strategy to deploy is teams are stacking 4 at the blue line but it seems that the Hawks just dump it in and there isn't anyone to go get it.

This offense is struggling and losing the possession game because more often then not it is a dump in that just leads to transition back the other way.

I don't want to see Patrick Kane being the first guy in on the forecheck trying to recover a dump in. That is not the best way to use his talents.

It appears to be the same crap going on at Halas Hall. Coaches need to adapt their systems to the personnel. A coach shouldn't force a team to play within a certain system. Maximize the talent you have. Maintain possession and keep the puck out of your own end.

The Hawks signed Dcat to a nice 6 mil contract, went out and got Nylander, have Toews who at length has talked about becoming lighter, less muscle bound and playing a more speed game which seemed to lead to a really really nice season last year....and then the front office and/or coaching staff decides to implement a dump and chase heavy style? Seems to be a disconnect somewhere. The system doesn't seem to make sense given the talent on the roster.

Is this dump and chase system supposed to protect the back-end somehow?
- bhawks2241

The system shouldn't have much to do with shooting percentage. It could affect the number of shots, but not as much the percent that go in. Shooting percentage stays pretty consistent, so the Hawks players should be seeing some go in.

A very basic coaching solution can give the Hawks some consistency and roles which players need to be successful

Line 1 -
Saad-Toews-Kubilak

Nylander has played well here, but I think Kubilak with those 2 can produce more while playing better defensively. But heres the key - matchups. Play this line against every teams top line. Toews is at his best playing against the other teams top centers. So even if/when he doesn't score, he makes their game difficult. Saad/Kubilak have shown chemistry and this line can be very productive 2 way line

Line 2 -
Debrincat-Strome-Kane

Play this line against the other teams 3rd and 4th line. Hammer this line against those 2 lines and they will produce.

Line 3/4 - dont care how to label them, but it's about matchups -

Caggulia-Kampf-Carpenter
JCs hard on for 64/22 can be used here on playing them against the other teams 2nd scoring line. If hes confident they should be playing against other teams number 1 line...just put them out there vs their number 2 line

Shaw-Dach-Nylander
Play this line against the other teams line 4. Probably shelter their zone starts and all 3 can be used on the PP

Kane can/should be double shifted and to be used as needed on the Kampf or Dach line if/when offense is needed

Last game, Getzlafs line was having their scoring chances/success vs the Strome line...yet never once did the Hawks make changes on the fly - and they had chances. Ita baffling that of the 12 coaches behind the bench, they were even having Boqvist out there with this group vs that line. Why not have DeHaan/Seabrook/Maata against them? But put an 18yr old in his second game against them? Or even Gus?

It's the coaching staffs responsibility to put players in positions to succeed and with the number of coaches they have on the bench, you would think someone can recognize this. The players do....but if they say anything...they're complainers or "stuck in the old way" of doing things. When in fact, they have experienced the highest level of hockey (more than the staff) and can see these basic head scratchers

Just give it time & it will all make sense. You will learn the pessimists from the optimists, & the straight talkers from the sarcastic smartasses. There are also narratives the board follows, it is best if you stick to them. Bod 101
- I Am The Breadman

You rang?

Just give it time & it will all make sense. You will learn the pessimists from the optimists, & the straight talkers from the sarcastic smartasses. There are also narratives the board follows, it is best if you stick to them. Bod 101
- I Am The Breadman

I prefer "Rays of (frank)ing Sunshine"

A very basic coaching solution can give the Hawks some consistency and roles which players need to be successful

Line 1 -
Saad-Toews-Kubilak

Nylander has played well here, but I think Kubilak with those 2 can produce more while playing better defensively. But heres the key - matchups. Play this line against every teams top line. Toews is at his best playing against the other teams top centers. So even if/when he doesn't score, he makes their game difficult. Saad/Kubilak have shown chemistry and this line can be very productive 2 way line

Line 2 -
Debrincat-Strome-Kane

Play this line against the other teams 3rd and 4th line. Hammer this line against those 2 lines and they will produce.

Line 3/4 - dont care how to label them, but it's about matchups -

Caggulia-Kampf-Carpenter
JCs hard on for 64/22 can be used here on playing them against the other teams 2nd scoring line. If hes confident they should be playing against other teams number 1 line...just put them out there vs their number 2 line

Shaw-Dach-Nylander
Play this line against the other teams line 4. Probably shelter their zone starts and all 3 can be used on the PP

Kane can/should be double shifted and to be used as needed on the Kampf or Dach line if/when offense is needed

Last game, Getzlafs line was having their scoring chances/success vs the Strome line...yet never once did the Hawks make changes on the fly - and they had chances. Ita baffling that of the 12 coaches behind the bench, they were even having Boqvist out there with this group vs that line. Why not have DeHaan/Seabrook/Maata against them? But put an 18yr old in his second game against them? Or even Gus?

It's the coaching staffs responsibility to put players in positions to succeed and with the number of coaches they have on the bench, you would think someone can recognize this. The players do....but if they say anything...they're complainers or "stuck in the old way" of doing things. When in fact, they have experienced the highest level of hockey (more than the staff) and can see these basic head scratchers
- PatShart

For one, it is never as easy as saying "they should not let them out there against X line" especially on the road. Second, they are all NHL players now. They will have to learn to play against all different type of lines.

A very basic coaching solution can give the Hawks some consistency and roles which players need to be successful

Line 1 -
Saad-Toews-Kubilak

Nylander has played well here, but I think Kubilak with those 2 can produce more while playing better defensively. But heres the key - matchups. Play this line against every teams top line. Toews is at his best playing against the other teams top centers. So even if/when he doesn't score, he makes their game difficult. Saad/Kubilak have shown chemistry and this line can be very productive 2 way line

Line 2 -
Debrincat-Strome-Kane

Play this line against the other teams 3rd and 4th line. Hammer this line against those 2 lines and they will produce.

Line 3/4 - dont care how to label them, but it's about matchups -

Caggulia-Kampf-Carpenter
JCs hard on for 64/22 can be used here on playing them against the other teams 2nd scoring line. If hes confident they should be playing against other teams number 1 line...just put them out there vs their number 2 line

Shaw-Dach-Nylander
Play this line against the other teams line 4. Probably shelter their zone starts and all 3 can be used on the PP

Kane can/should be double shifted and to be used as needed on the Kampf or Dach line if/when offense is needed

Last game, Getzlafs line was having their scoring chances/success vs the Strome line...yet never once did the Hawks make changes on the fly - and they had chances. Ita baffling that of the 12 coaches behind the bench, they were even having Boqvist out there with this group vs that line. Why not have DeHaan/Seabrook/Maata against them? But put an 18yr old in his second game against them? Or even Gus?

It's the coaching staffs responsibility to put players in positions to succeed and with the number of coaches they have on the bench, you would think someone can recognize this. The players do....but if they say anything...they're complainers or "stuck in the old way" of doing things. When in fact, they have experienced the highest level of hockey (more than the staff) and can see these basic head scratchers
- PatShart

I like those lines too!! Even though last night's looked pretty good as well.

If they are playing dump and chase when they can't carry it in, then it is exactly what they should be doing. We all complained then they were trying to carry it in all last year and got turned around and said "they need to dump it in". They finally do that, and it's a bad thing????
- Chunk

You're catching on, Chunk.