My Canucks? They’re not my Canucks.

Luckily most of the people at my work are decent hockey fans and can look beyond one game. We have a few odd-balls, but they’re all Leafs fans.
- DarthKane

About me ... favorite teams ... Canucks are on your list. Just giving you a hard time.

You're winning 3 to 1 Drake, gotta be smart
- BetweenTheDots

Was a really dumb penalty with under 4 mins left

Smith never needs to play again AFAIC.
- Ogilthorpe2

Was at the game. He was horrible. Somehow the puck kept finding him but he didn’t know what to do once he had it. Had a couple good hits but that just means he’s a very expensive Martinsen.

Fire McD, fire Stan, fire JC, fire M Crawford, fire the popcorn vendor, fire the janitors... this team needs to clean house (which could be a challenge without janitors but that's not my problem).
- DarthKane

You forgot the zamboni driver and the choreographer for the Ice Girls.

With all due respect to your opinion. The front office and some fans are stuck hanging on to some belief that this teams core is capable of helping Chicago win another cup or make a playoff run.


The team lacks any excitement , consistency, or just any real chance to not only make the playoffs but be considered to challenge.

As a fan I'm grateful for the 3 cups this core has achieved , but I'm not willing to go to a hawks game and throw good money at a team that isn't willing to face reality that change is needed and parading out a declining core , a head coach who is not ready or has a history / resume to warrant him in that position with the monthly dog and pony show one last shift to reminess in the past glory days

It's become insulting . Fire Stan hire a new GM with some proven track record of accomplishment and let's move on to a full blown rebuild the correct way and not keep pushing the inevitable off.
- Taylorst1

Disagree. Bowman inherited some good players from Uncle Dale, but he was a major contributor in build the 3 cup winning teams. He has made a few mistakes, as has every GM over a 10 year span. He has also made some very good trades and signings. In the last year he has reshaped the roster and improved the pipeline. The Seabs contract sticks out. The hiring of Colliton is still in question. But it is not like there is a replacement for Bowman that is 100% sure to be better.

People think ticket sales mean everything. But they are only one part of the multi faceted revenue stream. Wealthy owners are not dependent on turning large profits every year. They have a longer term view. They did not make their hundreds of millions of dollars over night or by making knee jerk reaction. They hire the best people and when they get people they are comfortable with they are reluctant to make major changes. I think Bowman's job is safe for a couple of more years. If Rocky and McDonough do not like the way things are going in 2022 when the Toews, Kane, Keith contracts are nearing their end that is when they would consider making a change.

Disagree. Bowman inherited some good players from Uncle Dale, but he was a major contributor in build the 3 cup winning teams. He has made a few mistakes, as has every GM over a 10 year span. He has also made some very good trades and signings. In the last year he has reshaped the roster and improved the pipeline. The Seabs contract sticks out. The hiring of Colliton is still in question. But it is not like there is a replacement for Bowman that is 100% sure to be better.

People think ticket sales mean everything. But they are only one part of the multi faceted revenue stream. Wealthy owners are not dependent on turning large profits every year. They have a longer term view. They did not make their hundreds of millions of dollars over night or by making knee jerk reaction. They hire the best people and when they get people they are comfortable with they are reluctant to make major changes. I think Bowman's job is safe for a couple of more years. If Rocky and McDonough do not like the way things are going in 2022 when the Toews, Kane, Keith contracts are nearing their end that is when they would consider making a change.
- -Doh-

I don’t disagree. But ticket sales will drive Management into a decision they make. Are they willing to suck it up with poor ticket sales during the rebuild for long term gain or will poor ticket sales drive them to make short term moves to generate ticket sales? I’m betting on the former. Wirtz saw first hand from his father that short term planning isn’t the solution.

[quote=-Doh-]

Pretty sure you and Paul are on the same page regarding Stan’s pluses and minuses and the other post you didn’t quote was sarcasm directed at the crowd who still can’t give Stanbo any credit for Cup wins in 2013 and 2015.

I think according to them if I had to guess, he would have only gotten credit for parting ways with all of the Core and then winning with his own all hand picked team.

Never mind he was an Asst GM for about ten years leading up to him getting the job as GM...but sure, ok.

You forgot the zamboni driver and the choreographer for the Ice Girls.
- boilermaker100

They were written up, ok Pallie!

With all due respect to your opinion. The front office and some fans are stuck hanging on to some belief that this teams core is capable of helping Chicago win another cup or make a playoff run.


The team lacks any excitement , consistency, or just any real chance to not only make the playoffs but be considered to challenge.

As a fan I'm grateful for the 3 cups this core has achieved , but I'm not willing to go to a hawks game and throw good money at a team that isn't willing to face reality that change is needed and parading out a declining core , a head coach who is not ready or has a history / resume to warrant him in that position with the monthly dog and pony show one last shift to reminess in the past glory days

It's become insulting . Fire Stan hire a new GM with some proven track record of accomplishment and let's move on to a full blown rebuild the correct way and not keep pushing the inevitable off.
- Taylorst1

2 questions....

1. Is Stan also "a sorry excuse for a human being"?

2. Is your embarrassment from picking the Hawks to win the division driving your desire to fire everyone?

2 questions....

1. Is Stan also "a sorry excuse for a human being"?

2. Is your embarrassment from picking the Hawks to win the division driving your desire to fire everyone?
- mohel

C'mon Francis, firing everyone, especially "sorry excuses for human beings" is how you fix everything, DUH!

C'mon Francis, firing everyone, especially "sorry excuses for human beings" is how you fix everything, DUH!
- paulr

Thanks for the input, sizzle chest.

With all due respect to your opinion. The front office and some fans are stuck hanging on to some belief that this teams core is capable of helping Chicago win another cup or make a playoff run.


The team lacks any excitement , consistency, or just any real chance to not only make the playoffs but be considered to challenge.

As a fan I'm grateful for the 3 cups this core has achieved , but I'm not willing to go to a hawks game and throw good money at a team that isn't willing to face reality that change is needed and parading out a declining core , a head coach who is not ready or has a history / resume to warrant him in that position with the monthly dog and pony show one last shift to reminess in the past glory days

It's become insulting . Fire Stan hire a new GM with some proven track record of accomplishment and let's move on to a full blown rebuild the correct way and not keep pushing the inevitable off.
- Taylorst1

So the Hawks have 9 forwards (Kane, Toews, Saad, ADB the only forwards left), 4 defenseman, 1 goalie on the roster that were not here at the beginning of last year. 9 players 25 and younger, including 2 in their teens, and you don't think they are rebuilidng?, no matter what the official company line is?

Hawks were outhit last night, and also lost the faceoff battle 2-1. How could they have won?

Hawks were outhit last night, and also lost the faceoff battle 2-1. How could they have won?
- mohel

Well... they did score more goals than Vancouver. That can’t be it. I’m sure they just wanted it more.

Was at the game. He was horrible. Somehow the puck kept finding him but he didn’t know what to do once he had it. Had a couple good hits but that just means he’s a very expensive Martinsen.
- Assman22

Smith also came at the expense of a useful player in AA which makes his performance even more frustrating. For every decent deal that Stan makes, he makes one bonehead one like this.
Stan must be reading these boards because a lot of fans wanted to see AA gone last winter and did not care about what the return would be. I wonder how many of these same posters are complaining about Smith today after getting their wish?

Ever since he came back in from being benched, he understands that he has to put in the effort and keep moving.
- Chunk

Also heard that Colliton, Kane, and Toews are taking some time simply talking to the kid. A lot of good stuff happens that fans never see firsthand. Much to their credit.

I don’t disagree. But ticket sales will drive Management into a decision they make. Are they willing to suck it up with poor ticket sales during the rebuild for long term gain or will poor ticket sales drive them to make short term moves to generate ticket sales? I’m betting on the former. Wirtz saw first hand from his father that short term planning isn’t the solution.
- paulr

Agree. I believe the Hawks attendance could drop 25% and they would still be in the black. Of course they would cry poor to the players association, but McDonough has built their other revenue streams up enough to cover a drop in attendance. Even if they are in the red for a few years Rocky has the financial strength to withstand it and will not over react.

In baseball and football tanking and rebuilding works sometimes. But look at the past 20 Stanley Cup winners. None of the teams tanked and then came back quickly. You can't say the Hawks tanked. They were pretty terrible for 10l years. From 1997 to 2007 the Hawks finished 4th or 5th in a 5 team division 6 times, never finishing higher than 3rd. I think you stay the course.

You never know which team will show up. Last night it was Dr. Jekyll. We need more of him and less of Mr. Hyde.

Smith also came at the expense of a useful player in AA which makes his performance even more frustrating. For every decent deal that Stan makes, he makes one bonehead one like this.
Stan must be reading these boards because a lot of fans wanted to see AA gone last winter and did not care about what the return would be. I wonder how many of these same posters are complaining about Smith today after getting their wish?
- 67hawks

Which GM doesn't. Once we have a list of the really good GM'S that rarely make mistakes, let's run it past the fans of each respective team to see if they agree.

Two truths, imo. All GM'S make mistakes- even Dale. And fans judge their own guy much harder than others.

Which GM doesn't. Once we have a list of the really good GM'S that rarely make mistakes, let's run it past the fans of each respective team to see if they agree.

Two truths, imo. All GM'S make mistakes- even Dale. And fans judge their own guy much harder than others.
- mohel

You shut your dirty you know what mouth...ok Pallie! The Builder's never made a mistake!

Which GM doesn't. Once we have a list of the really good GM'S that rarely make mistakes, let's run it past the fans of each respective team to see if they agree.

Two truths, imo. All GM'S make mistakes- even Dale. And fans judge their own guy much harder than others.
- mohel[/quote

On the face it is bonehead. AA is injured again, 6 games 1 goal. I think that AA was traded for 2 reasons. #1, he had no market value (i believe they tried to move him at last years TDL without success, and I am sure they would of taken a better offer IF one was available, and #2, once they got the #3 pick, they had Dach penciled in for #3 center, which means AA would of played 4th line center, or LW, not his natural position. So you traded 2 more years of a bad contract with one more year of a bad contract.

Was a really dumb penalty with under 4 mins left
- Assman22

At that point in the third period the Canucks had 2 calls in a row go against them. I am sitting in my chair thinking: Okay, we are going to have a call on us and it is not going to take much because that is the way it is with today's refereeing in the NHL. So I am not going to jump on Cagguila, but are the players not being warned of this on the bench?

*NEW* blog up: http://bit.ly/32wCVZY

I'm back... sorry for the hiatus... I needed a timeout from this team for a couple days.

They looked much better last night. A tough weekend is ahead though!

Which GM doesn't. Once we have a list of the really good GM'S that rarely make mistakes, let's run it past the fans of each respective team to see if they agree.

Two truths, imo. All GM'S make mistakes- even Dale. And fans judge their own guy much harder than others.
- mohel

In a 31 team league:

15 don’t make the playoffs. Fails. Blame GM and coaches (team Presidents, too, in certain cities).

Another 8 don’t get out of the first round. Fails. Blame - well, the same as above.

23 out of 31 teams basically disappoint their fans every season (add one more to that number in two seasons). That’s a lot of discontent that must be vented every season.

Scapegoats must be found.

Smith also came at the expense of a useful player in AA which makes his performance even more frustrating. For every decent deal that Stan makes, he makes one bonehead one like this.
Stan must be reading these boards because a lot of fans wanted to see AA gone last winter and did not care about what the return would be. I wonder how many of these same posters are complaining about Smith today after getting their wish?
- 67hawks

Anisimov (useful player) update
7GP - 2G - 0A - minus 5 - 15 ATOI
Currently out with lower body injury

Smith (useless player) update
8GP - 0G - 0A - minus 1 - 10 ATOI

Kampf (3C) update
15GP - 3G - 2A - minus 3 - 15 ATOI

Yep. If we had Anisimov centering the 3rd line it would be a game changer.