As much as I like Chris Chelios, his coaching record so far consists of being an assistant on an Olympic team and a junior team for a couple of tournaments. It's quite possible he is less experienced coaching-wise then Colliton.

Besides, hasn't the orgin-I-zation trotted out enough ex-Hawks to head coach over the years?

Denis Savard 2007 2009
Trent Yawney 2006 2007
Dirk Graham 1999 1999
Darryl Sutter 1993 1995
Keith Magnuson 1981 1982
Eddie Johnston 1980 1980
Bill White 1977 1977
- Rota's Rooter

If JC totally poops the bed his tenure will best compare to Dirk Graham's. The Duke was less prepared than Colliton. The first game was against New Jersey and it was a poop show much like the Nashville game recently. I would have loved to see EJ hang around for a few years. And Bill White was way ahead of his time as far as stats is concerned. If all went well he might have panned out with a proper offensive assistant coach.

I still give the hawks credit for trying something fresh and out of the box. The Blues did it 55 or so years ago and it seemed to work out ok for that guy.

What would be the first step in moving some of the older core? Getting them to waive their NMC? Could this explain some of what we are watching?

I don't believe this is true and I'll believe it when I see it. I think the FO believes that Stan has done a great job this past summer. I for one see 4 or 5 better players on this year's team vs last year's and they may give it time to jell. That will be the montra.....sad as it seams.

The Core 4 are the basic reason why this team is failing so badly. Kane, Toews, Keith and Seabrook are dragging this team down with mediocre to poor play and Strome and Debrincat are following the leaders. Unfortunately, as other posters have stated, this team is going nowhere until the big guns start producing as the stars they are. Question is............ do they want to play for JC because it sure doesn't seem like it. Tomorrow's game against the Canucks will be very telling. That is a young hungry team and the Hawks better bring the energy or they will get blown out by more than just shots on goal.
- Hawkytalk

Respect your opinion, but something has to happen if the Hawks miss the playoff for a 3rd year in a row. No revenue for post season games for 3 years and only 5 home playoff games in 5 years? Think Rocky is happy with that?

Stan's contract ends after the 20-21 season. The off season would be a logical time to extend his contract otherwise he'll be a lame duck going into the 20-21 season. But will they extend him if the team misses the playoff again. The team's play for the last 3 years under his watch and his choice of an inexperienced coach may not warrant a contract extension for him.

As another poster suggested, it's time for a fresh set of eyes in the front office.

What would be the first step in moving some of the older core? Getting them to waive their NMC? Could this explain some of what we are watching?


- DougEFresh Wilson

Not playing Keith on the PP to start.

If JC totally poops the bed his tenure will best compare to Dirk Graham's. The Duke was less prepared than Colliton. The first game was against New Jersey and it was a poop show much like the Nashville game recently. I would have loved to see EJ hang around for a few years. And Bill White was way ahead of his time as far as stats is concerned. If all went well he might have panned out with a proper offensive assistant coach.

I still give the hawks credit for trying something fresh and out of the box. The Blues did it 55 or so years ago and it seemed to work out ok for that guy.
- 6628

Are veteran players on any given team, allowed to give input on new coaching hires? Or, is their jurisdiction limited to just playing the game? Looks to me like some players were mortified at Q's heave-ho. And, were less than happy with a new young coach coming in. They act like they still don't agree with that original decision. Maybe time to move some of them?

I hate to even contemplate this but it seemed to me the Hawks were intimidated by the Sharks size/speed aggressiveness last night. To clarify - most of the Hawks were with the exception of the 4th line which matched the Sharks aggressive and physical play - which tells me Shaw, Carpenter and Caggiula are the only guys who didn't play tentative and intimidated. The other guys played most of the game on their heels or in the case of DeBrincat - he didn't play intimidated but he can't carry Strome and Kane in the play with "angry guts" department.

For the Hawks to be competitive - they actually have to play competitively and that requires a compete level that wasn't there last night. Why wasn't the compete level better last night? I don't know for sure but I fear it was because the bigger and faster Sharks intimidated them.
- EbonyRaptor

This is not a compete level issue. The Hawks are skating around the ice with no purpose and no structure. Guys don't know where to be and don't know how to properly position themselves for outlet passes, etc.

Hockey is a team sport. I don't see it as a lack of compete. Guys are all over the ice busting their ass. The problem is most of the time its chasing the puck. This 100% a coaching issue and a system issue.

Q was given an absolutely poop roster to start the year and got fired. Brandon Davidson, Fortin, washed up Marcus Kruger, Martinsen, Chris Kunitz, Forsling, Hayden, Luke Johnson, Brandon Manning, Jan Rutta and Carl Dahlstrom were all on the NHL roster last year.

Half those franking guys aren't even in the NHL anymore.

The current roster has a significantly more talent but looks completely lost on the ice. Players are openly stating that they are having issues with the new system.

When you spend 75% of the game chasing the puck you are eventually going to have defensive breakdowns, lose the 1 on 1 battles, and allow bad goals. This team would look significantly better, despite the man on man d system, if it suddenly didn't rely heavily on the dump and chase and could actually maintain possession for more than 5 seconds.

Colliton needs to go. His comment that line combinations weren't part of the issue was the last straw.

Guys like Kane haven't suddenly forgotten how to connect on a pass. On a well coached, structured team, as soon as a player gets the puck he should know what his options are and what he wants to do. No one on this team knows what to do 95% of the time. To me that screams bad coaching and no chemistry with linemates.

What would be the first step in moving some of the older core? Getting them to waive their NMC? Could this explain some of what we are watching?


- DougEFresh Wilson

At this point only they can explain their lack of play whether it's the Coach, Q being gone, being mad at Stan, not wanting to be "the" leaders of the team, whatever.

Keith is the guy who needs to go first IMO. He's got a decent amount of skill left and can definitely be a very effective guy on a 2nd pair for a Playoff team. Toronto would be a natural fit IMO but I don't think they wanna go that route A and B don't think Keith wants to move further east. Perhaps Montreal is sniffing around him to get him to solve their LHD problems. Again further east so idk if he'd be willing to waive to go there either. Winnipeg, Calgary, and Edmonton are teams I would think he would consider waiving to go to since it would get him closer to home (Winnipeg being the obvious). Problem is each team has their own cap crunch they're facing.

After that I would look at moving Gus, de Haan, Crow (if he has any value), possible Saad or Shaw if they don't want to be apart of a rebuild. Toews and Seabrook aren't going anywhere with their respective contracts. Kane isn't being moved mid season. This would be a blockbuster at the Draft or start of FA move that would truly signify a rebuild for this team.

Not playing Keith on the PP to start.
- LAHawk

Coaching decisions! Same with sticking Dach in front of the net. The kid clearly doesn't have a clue what to do in that spot.

If anybody interested Here's a link to Spoirtsnet 2020 draft prospects.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...ospect-rankings-november/

Coaching decisions! Same with sticking Dach in front of the net. The kid clearly doesn't have a clue what to do in that spot.
- bhawks2241

But he's a big body! lol in all seriousness he can fit the role at some point, but right now Strome and Shaw need to be the guys who are filling that role on PP1 and PP2 right now.

stan...would ya mind getting some players that can actually play this game and maybe coach who can actually coach...

or stan...i gotta tell ya, this ain't working
- bogiedoc

John....why don't you stick to your PR dog n pony show and not hockey related things which you know nothing about..

History is showing that Hossa was the MVP of those elite teams that won cup, he did it in his 30 plus, obviously Toews and Kane are not in their prime at that status, in hindsight. They are overpaid for their last few years, Time to move on from JC, Bowman and speak to Kane about a trade in 2020, Toews is not moveable. This team maybe toxic as it stands, I won't get into Seabrook.

Well that seals it McD needs to go, he hasn't a clue what effect
winning had to do with filling the UC...I gotta feeling he's gonna
find out rather quickly.
- gazza53

This this and this 1000%, he's the master puppeteer and he shouldn't be anywhere near that role, but Rocky should start by sacking him, then get a guy like hunter or hunters in there to run the show from top to bottom, properly, and this team would turn it around, but won't happen.

Not playing Keith on the PP to start.
- LAHawk

I agree and having him out there on the PP doesn't fit my theory. A lot of things we are watching don't make sense. If the front office openly knows they can't go anywhere until some of the bad contracts are gone why not spend a part of the season getting them motivated to leave?

Coaching decisions! Same with sticking Dach in front of the net. The kid clearly doesn't have a clue what to do in that spot.
- bhawks2241

Ideally, it would have been nice to allow Dach another year to grow into his body. Is what he's 'learning' this year at this level worth it? Think it is debatable from both sides.

If anybody interested Here's a link to Spoirtsnet 2020 draft prospects.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...ospect-rankings-november/
- boilermaker100

Another Top 5 Pick is what they need. Bettman wants the Hawks to be good because of how much money the Chicago Market generates for the NHL, so they will repeat the 2006/2007 scenario to get #1 overall next summer.

Lafrieniere-Dach-Kane is your Fall 2020 First Line

I agree that a change needs to be made, but who interviews to make that change? McDonough? I think he has to go first, and bring in a president of hockey ops., (probably doubling as GM like Yzerman). the fish rots at the head.
- LAHawk

Amen!!

I agree and having him out there on the PP doesn't fit my theory. A lot of things we are watching don't make sense. If the front office openly knows they can't go anywhere until some of the bad contracts are gone why not spend a part of the season getting them motivated to leave?
- DougEFresh Wilson

I think sitting Seabs for two games straight was the opening salvo. Instead of taking a hint, Seabs made the front office feel as though they were engaging in a criminal offense. Seabs probably has a point. The crap they throw in, while Seabs sits, right now isn't that much better.

If JC totally poops the bed his tenure will best compare to Dirk Graham's. The Duke was less prepared than Colliton. The first game was against New Jersey and it was a poop show much like the Nashville game recently. I would have loved to see EJ hang around for a few years. And Bill White was way ahead of his time as far as stats is concerned. If all went well he might have panned out with a proper offensive assistant coach.

I still give the hawks credit for trying something fresh and out of the box. The Blues did it 55 or so years ago and it seemed to work out ok for that guy.
- 6628

I always liked Dirk Graham as a player. Never the most talented but, always played with guts, determination and gave 110%. Unfortunately that is a skill set that is almost impossible to coach.

I feel a trade coming today
- zm333

stanbow for his dad...

If this was my team, I'd get all of "the old core" together in a room, and ask them a simple question:

"Can you, and are you willing to, play for this coach?"

If there is a group consensus of NO, then the solution is easy. Bye bye JC.

If there is a split, then kindly ask those that said "No" if they are willing to waive their NMC - in front of everyone. See what happens. Could be interesting.

If they all say YES, then tell them they are all full of BS and you will be trading every one of them out of town.

I keep hoping to wake up and see Colliton has been fired. I think this time has plenty of offense and a good enough defense to handle the oppositions offense. I think the team just isn't meant for dump n chase and the scoring is really suffering. Colliton really needs to go. I think the job with the hawks is beyond his expertise. You can't come in and change everything this team has been used to doing over the last 10+ years. We have so many guys who can score but if you look at the scoreboard we have been shutout numerous times and we are not getting enough shots on goal. We had 15 shots last night against an old and poor playing San Jose team. Fire Colliton already and bring someone else in who can handle getting this offense to fire on all cylinders. I am tired of seeing the hawks lose and get shut out by terrible teams. On paper and on ice our offense should be the absolute best. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Kane or Toews, they like the rest of the team are not picking up on Collitons changes to the offense.

I think sitting Seabs for two games straight was the opening salvo. Instead of taking a hint, Seabs made the front office feel as though they were engaging in a criminal offense. Seabs probably has a point. The crap they throw in, while Seabs sits, right now isn't that much better.
- gabriel

by most statical category keokee has been 1 of our top 4 D along with Murphy Keith. funny that who ever plays with Seabs ends up also being 1 of our worst D.

by most statical category keokee has been 1 of our top 4 D along with Murphy Keith. funny that who ever plays with Seabs ends up also being 1 of our worst D.
- kmw4631

It's that our team is not meant to play this style of hockey. Seabs will be fine if we get a coach on board that handles the offense and defensive schemes correctly. I think Bowman has made some great traes over the years but this hire of colliton is poor on his behalf and speaks to some of the stupid poop he does occasionally. Colliton is just not the right coach for this high power scoring offense. Our team should be putting up 5+ goals a night.

If this was my team, I'd get all of "the old core" together in a room, and ask them a simple question:

"Can you, and are you willing to, play for this coach?"

If there is a group consensus of NO, then the solution is easy. Bye bye JC.

If there is a split, then kindly ask those that said "No" if they are willing to waive their NMC - in front of everyone. See what happens. Could be interesting.

If they all say YES, then tell them they are all full of BS and you will be trading every one of them out of town.
- ItHossaGood

If they say no, do you let them be the executive committee to hire a new one? What happens if they don't like the new coach either. To me if they say no, I would ask them right then to release the NMC in their contract. If they don't, make it public and make sure all the endorsement deals go bye-bye.