Are we allowed to ask why did the Hawks trade a 2nd, 3rd and 7th round pick to bring back Shaw, paying him nearly 4mil a year....only to play him 10min a game on the 4th line....while JC plays Kampf/Carpenter 15+ min a game?

While the Hawks sit dead last in goals for....maybe playing Shaw a bit more will help? (he did have 19g in 63 games last year while 64/22 have a combined total of 26 in 267gms)
- PatShart

I was big fan of bring shaw back. He has been a disappointment so far other than the first 2 games. He seems lost like everyone else at times.

Still takes bad penalties. Very poor dzone and neutral passing decisions. Not as physical the last 5-6 games.

Carpenter and Kampf have played very well and stayed out of the box...its that simple.

From Scott Powers:

The more things change the more they they same the same...this has to change if the hawks have any hope of being in the top 8...let alone having their goalies survive into January.

"This is where the Blackhawks ranked in 5-on-5 defensive categories per 60 minutes last season:

30th in shots on goal against at 33.74
31st in expected goals against at 2.68
31st in scoring chances against at 30.17
31st in high-danger chances against at 13.66

And this is where the Blackhawks rank in those same categories so far this season:

31st in shots on goal against at 35.69
30th in expected goals against at 2.65
30th in scoring chances against at 29.36
30th in high-danger chances against at 12.57"
- bogiedoc

Ugly!!! But it is what it is.

Yeah...their defence looked good without 7

How many shots did they give up vs NASH?
- PatShart

That's not the question though. After the way they both played previously, sitting Seabrook and Gus was the right coaching decision. Not to mention, defensemen are not solely responsible for shots against. Rearranging the PP units was a good decision as well.

I'm all for critique when warranted, but if you care about being balanced, you give credit where it is due. I'm not claiming that anyone has to, or has claimed to be, balanced in their critique. If being balanced is important though, present and consider all of the evidence.

I was big fan of bring shaw back. He has been a disappointment so far other than the first 2 games. He seems lost like everyone else at times.

Still takes bad penalties. Very poor dzone and neutral passing decisions. Not as physical the last 5-6 games.

Carpenter and Kampf have played very well and stayed out of the box...its that simple.
- bogiedoc

It also seems like certain players need consistent line mates in order to get into a groove. I could obviously be wrong, but when Shaw is playing with skilled players he seems to be a bit more direct and plays as a part of the line. When he plays on lower lines, he appears to try and drive the line and gets himself into a bit more trouble.

From Scott Powers:

The more things change the more they they same the same...this has to change if the hawks have any hope of being in the top 8...let alone having their goalies survive into January.

"This is where the Blackhawks ranked in 5-on-5 defensive categories per 60 minutes last season:

30th in shots on goal against at 33.74
31st in expected goals against at 2.68
31st in scoring chances against at 30.17
31st in high-danger chances against at 13.66

And this is where the Blackhawks rank in those same categories so far this season:

31st in shots on goal against at 35.69
30th in expected goals against at 2.65
30th in scoring chances against at 29.36
30th in high-danger chances against at 12.57"
- bogiedoc

Hmmm

Eye test, meet data. Data, meet eye test.

Without looking it up, I believe the line-up in NSH was the same one that beat the Kings at th UC.
- scottak

Indeed you are correct (boy was that line-up fool's gold). I was trying to be funny and now realize that I should stick to chemistry.

In all seriousness, a consistent lineup has seemed to be a rarity this year.

Hmmm

Eye test, meet data. Data, meet eye test.
- Return of the Roar

Sup Roar. I may have asked you this before, but if you were running the ship what immediate changes would you make (personnel, style, whatever)? Sit vets, try to load up on offense, just concentrate everything on D? It is relatively obvious that the Hawks can't currently produce offense and play above average D.

When he makes one, I'll acknowledge it

And I'll look forward to criticizing some of your posts when you talk hockey vs ridiculing other peoples posts
- PatShart

If he hasn't made - in your mind - one correct decision out of the thousands of decisions he's made......

Yeah...their defence looked good without 7

How many shots did they give up vs NASH?
- PatShart

Well he looked completely awful vs Philly, can't help it they have AHL dmen. I guess even if Seabrook doesn't show up to play you reward him with more playing time, glad you're not the coach

You wonder why I call you out all the time, look no further than this post. You can dish it out but you sure can't take it, can you Enzo!

No fan ACCEPTS losing but some fans understands that losing is part of the process to begin to win again.
- paulr

He's not calling the fans for accepting losing, he's calling out the players.

Sup Roar. I may have asked you this before, but if you were running the ship what immediate changes would you make (personnel, style, whatever)? Sit vets, try to load up on offense, just concentrate everything on D? It is relatively obvious that the Hawks can't currently produce offense and play above average D.
- Chunk

1. Fire JC
2. Hire an NHL coach
3. Implement zone defense
4. Launch Gus in favor of Boqvist
5. Pair 19/88 with a banger - 19 to crease
6. Pair 12/17 with a banger - 17 to crease

A good start I think. I truly believe the core has zero respect for JC or his system.

Or - do nothing, get a lottery pick again, wash, rinse, repeat until 19’s contract is up. But add to that, front office admits that is what they are doing and stop pretending this crap show is or can be a playoff team.

Well he looked completely awful vs Philly, can't help it they have AHL dmen. I guess even if Seabrook doesn't show up to play you reward him with more playing time, glad you're not the coach
- BetweenTheDots

Not sure I said he deserves more playing time, but ok

Off topic, but me and my buddies are going to the Hawks/Coyotes game on Feb. 1st in Arizona. Coyotes have not released tickets yet for that game nor the Penguin game...but have released for every other home game. Anyone know why?

Not sure I said he deserves more playing time, but ok
- PatShart

I see can't even support JC for having Seabrook sit, got it

1. Fire JC
2. Hire an NHL coach
3. Implement zone defense
4. Launch Gus in favor of Boqvist
5. Pair 19/88 with a banger - 19 to crease
6. Pair 12/17 with a banger - 17 to crease

A good start I think. I truly believe the core has zero respect for JC or his system.

Or - do nothing, get a lottery pick again, wash, rinse, repeat until 19’s contract is up. But add to that, front office admits that is what they are doing and stop pretending this crap show is or can be a playoff team.
- Return of the Roar

Interesting. I still have no idea what JC is as a coach. Would any of the coaches available this offseason excited you? Early last year when the Hawks were struggling and people started thinking about Q moving on, I thought Tippett would be a good one since he has normally gotten the most out of his rosters.

Regarding your last point, I don't think you will ever see the Hawks formally state that they are rebuilding. I think the closest you will get is what they have done this year. "The league is tough and we will do everything we can to make the playoffs".

Interesting. I still have no idea what JC is as a coach. Would any of the coaches available this offseason excited you? Early last year when the Hawks were struggling and people started thinking about Q moving on, I thought Tippett would be a good one since he has normally gotten the most out of his rosters.

Regarding your last point, I don't think you will ever see the Hawks formally state that they are rebuilding. I think the closest you will get is what they have done this year. "The league is tough and we will do everything we can to make the playoffs".
- Chunk

We only have what we have now to compare to any other coaches. Tippett would have been a quality hire. Any coach who would get the team to block shots and passing lanes would have immediate positive impact.

Maybe the team - the core - doesn’t want to play that style either. Maybe they are just cashing checks. Fine. Front office tells it like it is.

I suppose at the end of the day it bothers me most that you may be right - they will never admit the obvious. That to me is the weakest character trait that could be demonstrated by “professionals” - not being honest, and thinking last shifts, bobble heads and hyped prospects lead to success right around the corner.

1. Fire JC
2. Hire an NHL coach
3. Implement zone defense
4. Launch Gus in favor of Boqvist
5. Pair 19/88 with a banger - 19 to crease
6. Pair 12/17 with a banger - 17 to crease

A good start I think. I truly believe the core has zero respect for JC or his system.

Or - do nothing, get a lottery pick again, wash, rinse, repeat until 19’s contract is up. But add to that, front office admits that is what they are doing and stop pretending this crap show is or can be a playoff team.
- Return of the Roar

How many teams deploy the obsolete zone defense? Florida? Who else?

Talk about being stuck in a time warp.

How many teams deploy the obsolete zone defense? Florida? Who else?

Talk about being stuck in a time warp.
- gifman

Trotz

Time warp or not, it works.

1. Fire JC
2. Hire an NHL coach
3. Implement zone defense
4. Launch Gus in favor of Boqvist
5. Pair 19/88 with a banger - 19 to crease
6. Pair 12/17 with a banger - 17 to crease

A good start I think. I truly believe the core has zero respect for JC or his system.

Or - do nothing, get a lottery pick again, wash, rinse, repeat until 19’s contract is up. But add to that, front office admits that is what they are doing and stop pretending this crap show is or can be a playoff team.
- Return of the Roar

Irony.

Irony.
- Ogilthorpe2

😀😀😀

Off topic, but me and my buddies are going to the Hawks/Coyotes game on Feb. 1st in Arizona. Coyotes have not released tickets yet for that game nor the Penguin game...but have released for every other home game. Anyone know why?
- onehundredlevel

Maybe the Coyotes ticket office has an explanation.. Give them a call.

Maybe the Coyotes ticket office has an explanation.. Give them a call.
- boilermaker100

Coyotes tickets will be given away at a local strip club.

Good possession & zone time, but shoot the damn puck! All the lines look good, imo.

1. Fire JC
2. Hire an NHL coach
3. Implement zone defense
4. Launch Gus in favor of Boqvist
5. Pair 19/88 with a banger - 19 to crease
6. Pair 12/17 with a banger - 17 to crease

A good start I think. I truly believe the core has zero respect for JC or his system.

Or - do nothing, get a lottery pick again, wash, rinse, repeat until 19’s contract is up. But add to that, front office admits that is what they are doing and stop pretending this crap show is or can be a playoff team.
- Return of the Roar

Always easier being an armchair quarterback. Someone has said also that sportswriters are just would be frustrated coaches. Maybe we all think coaching decisions are easy. It does appear so ridiculous that a bright individual [Colliton] coaching iniation features a system both Bowman and Colliton know is not a good fit with the current personnel. So the idea is to incrementally improve the roster with players whom are a better fit. Right?!

I look at the bigger picture of whether they could make playoffs and how to deal with albatross contracts when the expansion season arrives and some of our prospects have filtered in. We could be at the cusp of playoff hockey at that time. Let's see what becomes of Colliton, Saad, Crawford, Seabrook for sure. Probably Keith and either Toews or Strome too. This team will not win enough in 2022 if Toews remains a top center and if Strome line success is predicated upon always outscoring it's opposing line. Maybe Toews could still be productive but he would be an older Toews II version. I reserve judgment about Strome line. Can a Carpenter or someone provide enough balance both ways (offense and defense) for Strome and DeBrincat.

A coach would love to get 50 goals out of DeBrincat. But is that with Strome or someone else 1) on his line and 2) behind the bench

Dach taking more punishment. Now let's see which PP shows up.